Tiggers Spreadsheet!

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hnkstr

hnkstr

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3 for the last 3!
Now if I could just get that Google Spreadsheet to work. Keeps giving me an error, is that happening to anyone else?
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His last three readings are as follows
8:30pm last night - 318
5:30am today - 325 (Then fed FF)
8:30am today - 291 (Then fed FF)

No Lantus or dry food since last thursday morning 6/16.
 
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Ok, found a work around I guess, instead of opening it by doing the Use This Template, I created a new doc from Template and then found the 12/12 template.
Looks to be working now and saved it as TIggers Spreadsheet
 
SS looks great, Brent but am asking why you are not giving Tigger any insulin? I am not a Lantus user but his numbers are showing a need for some insulin. Hopefully others will spot this and kick in with what they think the amount of Lantus to use.
 
Until I got readings i was frearful since switching from dry food to canned food. I did not want to drop it too low.
I wanted to get some numbers and a game plan with users on here to see where to start him.
Carole mentioned 1u morning and night to start which i'll probably start tonight now that I can actually check the levels.

I knew the numbers were down as his water intake was drasticaly reduced. He was 350+ on 6u of insulin at the Vets office so I really didn't know what it was.
Slowly reduced the level of Lantus as I reduced the amount of dry food. Now he's completely off the dry food and will begin dosing again.
 
Brent

Spread sheet looks great, but those are very diabetic numbers so now that you have the hang of testing you really need to start giving insulin again. With Lantus you are going to want to test at the very least 3 times a day. Once before each shot and then again at +6 to try to find his nadir (lowest point). Looking at those numbers, if Tigger was my cat I would probably start at either .5 or 1u bid, hold for a few days while testing as often as I could squeeze a test in, and see where that gets you.

Mel, Maxwell and The Fur Gang
 
MommaOfMuse, thanks for the input!
I am really going to have an issue getting the numbers you guys need and not sure what to do. I leave by 6am and don't get home until after 3pm.
The +6 for the NADIR is the tough part since the best I could do is +9, will that be close enough??
I live 30 minutes from my work so running home at lunch isn't an option.

Now for the syringes, does anyone have the exact name or link from Walmart? I have the Lantus pens and 1u doesn't like to flow out very well.
I'll need those syringes.
 
I believe the Wal-Mart syringes are their Reli-On brand, 3/10cc, in half unit markings because sometimes Lantus needs dosed in partial units. Those may have a "short" needle and that is fine. In Wisconsin you should not need a prescription for them.

Hope that helps.
 
Congrats on your efforts to help Tigger heal and get the SS working. I remember many long nights getting up to get a test in, then back to bed for another hour's sleep. You do need some nadir numbers. Check out some older Lanuts users SS and see how their cats numbers looked and changed. That will give you an idea of what to look for. Knowing how low Tigger can go is one of the keys.

I agree with all of Vicky and Momma's input. Good stuff!
 
Picture of ReliOn box



Brent, this is what you are looking for......click on the picture and it brings it up full size. The box says 1/2" needles but you can get them in 5/16" which is shorter. Maybe buy a few packs of each needle length and see which ones you like.
 
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Hope + (((Baby)))GA said:


Brent, this is what you are looking for......click on the picture and it brings it up full size. The box says 1/2" needles but you can get them in 5/16" which is shorter. Maybe buy a few packs of each needle length and see which ones you like.
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Well, except that I would recommend either 30ga or 31ga, not the 29ga.

The 30ga and 31ga are 'short' needles--5/16" long instead of 1/2" long.

The 30 and 31 gauge are easier on the kitty...hardly can be felt.

You want 3/10cc capacity, 30 or 31 gauge, 'short needle'...with 1/2 unit marks.
Insulin syringes for U-100 insulin.

Some pharmacists will insist no such thing exists (1/2-unit marks) and try to
sell you 1/2 cc capacity instead.

INSIST on seeing the words 1/2-unit marks on the box (or words to that effect).
 
Ok, i'll look for those, but i'll be honest, I have the Lantus pens and cannot see how these will work with the pen??
I will be picking these up today, the pen does not dispense 1u at all, the lowest I can go is 2u and have anything come out of it.

I will dose him at 3pm today and then be able to get the +6 before gong to bed. He's was 337 this morning after 2u last night so I gave him 2u again this morning.
 
lol that is why we call it a dance......lots of new steps to learn....and just like learning to tango, sometimes we just need those little numbered foot prints on the floor to get all the moves right...lol

Mel, Maxwell and The Fur Gang.
 
hnkstr said:
MommaOfMuse, thanks for the input!
I am really going to have an issue getting the numbers you guys need and not sure what to do. I leave by 6am and don't get home until after 3pm.
The +6 for the NADIR is the tough part since the best I could do is +9, will that be close enough??
I live 30 minutes from my work so running home at lunch isn't an option.
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I completely sympathize with this problem. I work two jobs, and I have an hour commute and back for my full time job during the week. Bandit got his shots at 7am/7pm, so I would leave right after the shot, and get home right before. So I set an alarm and got up each night to get the +6, and dealt with the spreadsheet in the morning. Thank goodness the meter saves the numbers, because it got to the point where I think I was testing in my sleep. Then on the weekend when I worked late at night, I would get a curve during the day in the AM cycle. My brother moved in with me a few months before he went into remission, so that helped out a lot because he never went to bed before 2am anyway and took over the late test from me.
 
Of course I work in Stillwater Mn and they look to need a prescription for the syringes as I couldn't find them at Walmart over lunch.
I did have some though, about 10 that I originally got from the Vet before changing to the Lantus.

I will check a Walmart in Cheddarland and see if I can find some more.
Out of curiosity from people that know this stuff, his numbers are still 300+ but he's acting like a different cat and the water consumption is so much lower which means the litter box is sooooooo much nicer to clean! What was he running before and why didn't 6u of Lantus help?
I'm confused I guess. His bladder was the size of a baseball+ the vet said, and it should be a golf ball? That is so much smaller now too, just from changing from dry to wet food.
 
Well I can kind of answer the reason that 6u of Lantus didn't help, at least I think I can. When a cat is getting too much insulin, it often times looks like not enough, their BGs skyrocket, because their bodies are trying to protect itself from going into hypo, so it is dumping all its stored glucose into the blood stream. Sort of in the way if you get busy doing something and forget to eat at your normal mealtime your body will release stored sugars to keep you from getting light headed. The more insulin injected the more the body fights it.

Insulin isn't a drug in the sense that most of us think of drugs, not like antibiotics where sometimes it takes more to kill off an infection. Insulin is a naturally occurring hormone in the body, but for some reason in a diabetic the body has stop making its own insulin, so what we are trying to do with giving insulin is find that balance their body needs to function correctly. If we give too much the body fights it and dumps stored glucose, too little and unused glucose is spilled over in the blood stream. That's way testing at home is really the only way to find that delicate balance to regulate a cat.

Or at least that is my general understanding of it.

Mel, Maxwell and the Fur Gang
 
MommaOfMuse said:
Well I can kind of answer the reason that 6u of Lantus didn't help, at least I think I can. When a cat is getting too much insulin, it often times looks like not enough, their BGs skyrocket, because their bodies are trying to protect itself from going into hypo, so it is dumping all its stored glucose into the blood stream. Sort of in the way if you get busy doing something and forget to eat at your normal mealtime your body will release stored sugars to keep you from getting light headed. The more insulin injected the more the body fights it.

Insulin isn't a drug in the sense that most of us think of drugs, not like antibiotics where sometimes it takes more to kill off an infection. Insulin is a naturally occurring hormone in the body, but for some reason in a diabetic the body has stop making its own insulin, so what we are trying to do with giving insulin is find that balance their body needs to function correctly. If we give too much the body fights it and dumps stored glucose, too little and unused glucose is spilled over in the blood stream. That's way testing at home is really the only way to find that delicate balance to regulate a cat.

Or at least that is my general understanding of it.

Mel, Maxwell and the Fur Gang
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This and also you were feeding primarily dry right? Dry, even the lowest carb varieties out there (8%) can really impact BG *a lot*, especially if your cat is carb sensitive.
 
Ok, that makes sense I think..

And yes he was on a Diabetic dry food pretty much exclusively.
 
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