? Tiffany AMPS 623, Help???? She seems to be worse when I go up in dose....

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Jadi & Tiffany

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I changed her dose to 5 units several days ago and her numbers are going up...not down. Do you think I should go back to 4.5 or 4 where she seems to feel better? Did a test last night and she was 385 but in the 400s yesterday....so stressful!!!
 
Good job getting that test last night.:) Without those tests was hard to say if she was going low and bouncing (too much insulin) or staying high and flat (too little insulin). Looks like the latter to me. I think she needs to go up to 5.5 units.
 
I agree with Wendy sure looks like she needs more insulin. Could Tiffany have a another health issue? With those high numbers.
You should start to see better numbers with the Levemir.:bighug::bighug::)
 
I agree with Wendy sure looks like she needs more insulin. Could Tiffany have a another health issue? With those high numbers.
You should start to see better numbers with the Levemir.:bighug::bighug::)
Yes, I am very sad that the insulin does not seem to be working. I am afraid she has a serious health issue. She has been in the animal hospital twice since February...not sure we can keep going.
 
Good job getting that test last night.:) Without those tests was hard to say if she was going low and bouncing (too much insulin) or staying high and flat (too little insulin). Looks like the latter to me. I think she needs to go up to 5.5 units.
Thanks Wendy...I am starting to think we have a serious health issue....so sad.
 
Some kitties have what we call high dose conditions. The most common one is called acromegaly. It is the result of a benign tumour on the pituitary putting out excess growth hormone. Neko had it for her last five years. One in four diabetic cats has it. It can mean the need for larger doses. Neko got up to 8.75 units, some across need much more insulin and some less. A second high dose condition we see around here is called Insulin Auto Antibodies or IAA. Think of it like an allergy to the injected insulin. Neko also had it too. A third condition that we see a lot less often is called Cushings and it usually involves some skin conditions. There is a blood test to look for the first two conditions and a urine test for the third. Regardless, insulin needs can change over time and different cats need different amounts of insulin. We keep increasing until we find good numbers. Once kitties get into good numbers, they feel much better.
 
Some kitties have what we call high dose conditions. The most common one is called acromegaly. It is the result of a benign tumour on the pituitary putting out excess growth hormone. Neko had it for her last five years. One in four diabetic cats has it. It can mean the need for larger doses. Neko got up to 8.75 units, some across need much more insulin and some less. A second high dose condition we see around here is called Insulin Auto Antibodies or IAA. Think of it like an allergy to the injected insulin. Neko also had it too. A third condition that we see a lot less often is called Cushings and it usually involves some skin conditions. There is a blood test to look for the first two conditions and a urine test for the third. Regardless, insulin needs can change over time and different cats need different amounts of insulin. We keep increasing until we find good numbers. Once kitties get into good numbers, they feel much better.
Thanks Wendy. You are so full of great information.
 
I had to learn all this from here. My vet was taught these conditions were so rare you will never see them. New research has shown otherwise. The vet and I learned together.
 
Thanks Wendy. You are so full of great information.
Why is it, do you think, that Tiffy better numbers at 4 and then 4.5...and now she has had a red and black day with 5??? Were you this frustrated with Nekko? You seem like a very patient person...I, unfortunately, am not...ugh. How old was Nekko when the medical issues began?
 
I did not used to be as patient as I am now. :p FD taught me a lot.

As for why numbers could look worse, there are a couple of possibilities. It could be that she is going lower at night than she is used to, so bouncing higher. Neko went from red to black starts when she started seeing low blue and green overnight. If Tiffany has a high dose condition such as acromegaly, dose needs can change as the tumour pulses up and down. In summer of 2015, Neko was doing well on 2-3 units of insulin, but her tumour had a growth spurt and she ended up going to 7 units over a fairly short period of time.

And finally, I don't think Tiffany is looking worse as you go up dose. That 217 on the 16th was her lowest preshot yet and she is seeing some yellow preshots now which is a positive sign. And that surprise 217 in the AM meant she was probably at least blue several hours before that. See how on 4/10 you got blue mid cycle during the day and ended up with a yellow PMPS. She probably had a similar cycle, and maybe a bit lower the night of the 15th.
 
Yes, I have thought that about patience lately. Especially when you have said to me that FD is a marathon, not a sprint. She is now at 5.5 so hoping and praying that we find her dose and she will feel better!

Thank you for your encouragement again! (I will get more night time readings!!!)

Big hugs to you from Tiffy and I in California.
 
Hey there and sending some BG lowering vines to Tiffy. If you could get some more test in during the PM cycle, it could tell whether she is going a lot lower at night time causing some bouncing. That would help dosing decision. I just realized I am echoing what has all ready been said.
 
Hey there and sending some BG lowering vines to Tiffy. If you could get some more test in during the PM cycle, it could tell whether she is going a lot lower at night time causing some bouncing. That would help dosing decision. I just realized I am echoing what has all ready been said.[/
Thank you!!! I really appreciate your feedback and well wishes!!!! The support is wonderful.
 
Good job getting that test last night.:) Without those tests was hard to say if she was going low and bouncing (too much insulin) or staying high and flat (too little insulin). Looks like the latter to me. I think she needs to go up to 5.5 units.
Wendy, just thought I would say this logic re too much and too little is really helpful---something for me to memorize. Thanks.
 
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