Thyroid and diabetes

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mfrancis69

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Does anyone have a cat that has both thyroid and diabetes?

I haven't been able to get Sassy back in to the vet to check the thyroid and since her diabetes diagnosis about a year ago, she perked up for awhile but now is almost lethargic again.
She is very sensitive in her back area near her tail as if me simply stroking her is painful.

I am hoping it is all diabetes related and she doesn't have, but maybe some insight as to what to look for will help ease my concerns.

Thanks
Melissa
 
What makes you think of a thyroid problem? Typically cats eat a lot/lose weight with hyperthyroidism and have a poor coat. My civi Indigo had both. However, my diabetic Bailey and Lightning only had a poor coat and had a poor appetite.
 
I would go into the search box above and type hyperthyroid or thyroid and see if you can find some members with the issue. Choose ones that are fairly active. I am sure there are quite a few.
 
Simba had his diabetes when he also became Hyperthyroid

That's T4 tests and T3 in addition perhaps.

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Our Magnificent Dr Lisa Pierson writes extensively about this on her own webpage
http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felinehyperthyroidism


Don't wait however with the T4 tests.


For A Diabetic doing the Radioactive Iodine treatment - The DANGERS FOR THEM IN VET CARE - Is the Vets and the Nurses leaving them alone un-monitored basically 24 hours a day, refusing to monitor on important hypo prevention blood glucose schedule.
I had to save Simba myself, since the Vet and Nurses refuuuuuuused to follow Simba's GIVEN C R I T I C A L HYPO INSTRUCTIONS! But he was Telepathic Simba, so I managed to Save Him when it happened!
 
Thank you for all the feedback. Unfortunately I have no more income coming in and cannot get her to the vet right now.

My reason for thinking thyroid is that she has a lump in her throat and from what I have read she has some of the symptoms.
Her back end by her tail is very sensitive and also acts as if it is painful for me to touch that area. She pulls herself up to things instead of jumping up and yu can see that the back end is skinnier that the rest of the body.

Since starting her on insulin, her weight has come back up and her eating is better. She like the wet food so that is a good thing.
But my fear of thyroid problems are because she has shown improvement but still seems to be not 100% yet.

Thanks, I will check out the links and look into some of the advice given. Melissa
 
Wendy,

No, when she started the insulin, she was under weight but has since gone back to what has been normal for her. She has always been a smaller cat so she has been around 9 to 12 pnds.

She eats good and her weight has stayed about the same.

Good to know though, maybe that will help rule out a thyroid issue, but I will know for sure when she is able to get into the vet again.

Thanks
Melissa
 
Larry,
After reading the links you posted, it is looking like the symptoms of thyroidism does not fit Sassy.

The reason I keep re-addressing it, is the vet had mentioned it might be a problem. At the time the testing is something I could not afford and didn't do any additional testing at that time.
I still do not have the means to do the testing they requested. But they also had said it could be parathyroid.

I guess only time will tell and additional testing can either rule in or rule out the true issues she is having.
From what I read the additional issues that I see are neither thyroid related or diabetic related.

Thanks for your input.
Melissa
 
Wendy,

I received the new glucose meter on Saturday and have been testing Sassy since, with a middle of the day check for good measure.
From what I see her levels are better than they wee before the vitamins I started her on, but still not sure what the number truly mean yet.
The 32 yesterday afternoon made me nervous, it almost seems too low, but not sure. Based on the excel chart that I started using through your sight the ideal numbers would be 40-99.
I also posted the last two days of readings before I started the vitamins for comparison.

10/27/2013 10:00 AM 115
11:30 AM 32
8:26 PM 120
10/28/2013 9:30 AM 138
12:00 PM 59
9:15 PM 152
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10/9/2013 9:00 AM 172
9:30 PM 221
10/10/2013 9:00 AM 197
9:15 PM 191

Looking at her numbers now the other ones seem to be high, any feedback or assiatcne with this would be helpful.
Thanks
Melissa
 
Here are some glucose reference ranges used for decision making using glucometers. Human glucometer numbers are given first. Numbers in parentheses are for non-US meters. Numbers in curly braces are estimates for an AlphaTrak.

< 40 mg/dL (2.2 mmol/L) {< 70 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- Treat as if HYPO if on insulin
- At nadir (lowest point between shots) in a long term diabetic (more than a year), may earn a reduction.

< 50 mg/dL (2.8 mmol/L) {< 80 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- If before nadir, steer with food, ie, give modest amounts of medium carb food to keep from going below 50 (2.8).
- At nadir, often indicates dose reduction is earned.

50 - 130 mg/dL (2.8 - 7.2 mmol/L) {80 - 160 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- On insulin - great control when following a tight regulation protocol.
- Off insulin - normal numbers.
(May even go as low as the upper 30s (1.7 mmol/L){60s for an AlphaTrak}; if not on insulin, this can be safe.

= 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {> 180 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- no shot limit for ProZinc, PZI, or other non-depot insulins

> 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {> 180 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- At nadir, indicates a dose increase may be needed when following a tight regulation protocol.

200 mg/dL (11.1 mmol/L) {230 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}
- no shot level for beginners; may slowly reduce to 150 mg/dL (8.3 mmol/L) {180 mg/dL} for long-acting insulins (Lantus, Levemir, and ProZinc) as data collection shows it is safe

180 - 280 mg/dL (10 - 15.6 mmol/L) {may be 210 - 310 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}- Any time - The renal threshold (depending on data source and cat's renal function) where glucose spills into the urine.
- Test for ketones, glucose is too high.

>= 280 mg/dL (15.6 mmol/L) {may be >=310 mg/dL for an AlphaTrak}, if for most of the cycle between shots
- Uncontrolled diabetes and thus at risk for diabetic ketoacidosis and hepatic lipidosis
- Follow your insulin protocol for dose adjustments
- Test for ketones; if more than a trace level of ketones, go to vet ASAP.
 
32 is too low - you need to reduce the dose!!!!. The high numbers after that are called a "bounce" where the live panics because it saw low levels. You can expect that for up to 72 hours however you still need to reduce dose.

What dose is she currently on?

Wendy
 
BJM - I appreciate the chart you sent but I have seen this before and I just can't make sense out of it.

Wendy - She is only on 2 units every 12 hours. I will be taking more than the two readings a day for a little while until I have a better gasp on what it all means, no one (the vet) has told me where she needs to be and what to do if she isn't at that level. The vet just wants me to continue to come in over and over for testing and is trying to charge me $175 to $200 each time, I have no income and would love to get some better answers but I can't afford that.

I have been doing a lot of research and trying to get a handle on it myself, but getting a lot of conflicting information. I want to do what is best for her and keep her as healthy as possible, the last time I spoke with the vet, it seems that another doctor in their office is a little more forgiving and understanding about no income, but I don't have the money to even see them instead.

I will keep posting her numbers every few days over the next week or so and see what I can learn from the forum.

Thanks for all the support I get on this forum, it is helpful to know that I have resources of people out there going through the same thing and have more knowledge than I do.
Melissa
 
Thats good on testing as I usually recommend 3-4 tests a day

- always before the shot - this is mandatory as you don't want to shoot when too low. As a newbie this too low number is 200 but is reduced over time once you have the data to know if its safe.
- mid cycle - 5-7 hours after morning shot depending on your schedule. This is to see how low he is going. The low point "nadir" is what you base dose changes on since you don't want him dropping too low (under 50).
- before bed (2-3hours after Pm shot) to get an idea of what his overnight plans are. If this number is less than the pre shot test number you may want to set the alarm for a test a few hours later as this implies an active cycle.

Do you want to try and set up a spreadsheet to track numbers? It will also help us see better whats going on. See my SS in my signature to see what I mean. I can help you with it.

Wendy
 
Wendy

Thanks for the more clear guidance on the readings

I have started a spreadsheet and that is where I have posted the numbers from before.

I have been gathering new readings and will be posting them on a new post this morning.

I wasn't sure if I was accurately giving her the 2 unit dosage and made sure I was before making any reductions in her dosage.
After monitoring that for two days, I have reduced her dosage to 1.5 units and that seems to be helping.

Thanks
Melissa
 
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