Three days without insulin, BG = 45

[dinu55]

AAAArrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!. BG = 45 . I think we must change his food. From wet LC to wet MC.

 

[Lisa and Smoky]

I will tag @Wendy&Neko for you and see if she is available to help.

 

[LizzieInTexas]

I will tag @Wendy&Neko for you and see if she is available to help.

No insulin for 72 hours.

I replied on the other thread.

Phase 5: Remission

14 days without insulin and normal blood glucose values. Most remission cats are able to stay in the normal range all of the time (50 to 80 mg/dl), although there are a few cases of sporadic higher and lower BGs. Don't stop feeding low-carb and try to avoid cortisone if possible. Test the cat's BGs once per month.

Approximately 25% cats that achieved remission using this protocol relapsed and required insulin again (frequent causes are hyperthyroidism or bouts of pancreatitis). Therefore, it is important to keep your diabetes kit up-to-date. Then you can react immediately by giving insulin and home testing. Importantly, the sooner you react to a relapse (i.e. preventing hyperglycemia and initiating other necessary veterinary treatment), the more likely a second remission will become.

The longer a cat has had diabetes, the less likely it will go into remission. Many long-term diabetics get stuck in Phase 3 or 4. Yet there is a benefit of using this method for such a cat as well: keeping the cat's BG levels as normal as possible is much healthier for it long term. Insulin requirements will often decrease to very low levels too.

 

[dinu55]

No insulin for 72 hours.

I replied on the other thread.

Phase 5: Remission

14 days without insulin and normal blood glucose values. Most remission cats are able to stay in the normal range all of the time (50 to 80 mg/dl), although there are a few cases of sporadic higher and lower BGs. Don't stop feeding low-carb and try to avoid cortisone if possible. Test the cat's BGs once per month.

Approximately 25% cats that achieved remission using this protocol relapsed and required insulin again (frequent causes are hyperthyroidism or bouts of pancreatitis). Therefore, it is important to keep your diabetes kit up-to-date. Then you can react immediately by giving insulin and home testing. Importantly, the sooner you react to a relapse (i.e. preventing hyperglycemia and initiating other necessary veterinary treatment), the more likely a second remission will become.

The longer a cat has had diabetes, the less likely it will go into remission. Many long-term diabetics get stuck in Phase 3 or 4. Yet there is a benefit of using this method for such a cat as well: keeping the cat's BG levels as normal as possible is much healthier for it long term. Insulin requirements will often decrease to very low levels too.

Hi . So it is better to continue with wet LC. I think Babulica stays between 40 and 65 in the last 2 days. Half hour before measuring he ate 40-50g wet food LC.

 

[CassAndGordy(GA)]

By now, any remnants of Lantus is gone and Babulica is doing it all on his own. And he is doing FABULOUS

 

[dinu55]

By now, any remnants of Lantus is gone and Babulica is doing it all on his own. And he is doing FABULOUS

So 45 is a good number now, Dinu Babulica Maria

 

[Wendy&Neko]

Just continue his regular wet food. We've even seen some cats not on insulin in the high 30's. The 40's is in the normal range of a cat. We just don't want any cat on insulin below 50 because it gives no room for error.

Bubulica is looking good.

 

[Phoebes (GA)]

So 45 is a good number now, Dinu Babulica Maria

Way to go Babulica!!!! Well done pretty boy.

 

[dinu55]

Just continue his regular wet food. We've even seen some cats not on insulin in the high 30's. The 40's is in the normal range of a cat. We just don't want any cat on insulin below 50 because it gives no room for error.

Bubulica is looking good.

Aha. This is good then! .

 

[LizzieInTexas]

Dinu Babulica Maria

Yes. It is a good thing (now). His body is working the way it should. I am wondering what triggered it. He was neutered late last year, I am wondering if he got some sort of steroid or vaccination that could have done it.

Just keep doing what you are doing and enjoy the sleep.

 

[tiffmaxee]

Looks to me like an OTJ trial. Congrats.

 

[jayla-n-Drevon]

 

[Wendy&Neko]

I don't think anyone has given you the instructions yet for an OTJ trial. Here they are:

Start the trial on the next green pre shot. (you've already done this and are now on day 4 )

If he/she is green at your normal test times, no need to test further until the next "PS" time; just feed small meals and go about your day. If he/she is blue at your normal "PS", feed a small meal and test again after about 3 or 4 hours. If his/her number is lower 3-4 hours after a meal, then the pancreas is working!

Post every day so we can monitor your progress and see if any tweaks are needed. He/she may have a sporadic blue number. Don't panic but post before you decide whether to shoot so we can have a discussion.

After 14 days of no insulin, we have a party!!

Sometimes the trial doesn't work the first time and we have to give a little more support in the form of resuming insulin. It's not the end of the world if that happens; we just give him/her the support needed. Our goal is a strong remission and it's better to take our time to get that than to rush into remission just to have it fail later on.

Good luck with the trial!!!

Once he/she is through the trial successfully, you enter a new phase. Your cat is still diabetic but has now become diet-controlled. Continue feeding low carb food in the manner successful for your kitty. If you decide to change his/her feeding schedule, let your meter be your guide to the best times to feed. Avoid medications with sugar in them and steroid medications unless they are medically essential. Continue testing blood glucose weekly for the first month and then monthly forever. It's a good idea to weigh him/her monthly. Weight should remain stable. If he/she seems "off" or sick, or is showing signs of diabetes (excessive drinking, eating, urinating, weight loss), test his/her blood glucose right away. Keep the teeth and gums clean and healthy; dental issues can bring a cat out of remission. If you see rising blood glucose numbers, it's time for a visit to the vet!

 

[raun cesar]

Reading looks good but what time you test, i recommend to continue with the wet LC....

 

[dinu55]

I don't think anyone has given you the instructions yet for an OTJ trial. Here they are:

Start the trial on the next green pre shot. (you've already done this and are now on day 4 )

If he/she is green at your normal test times, no need to test further until the next "PS" time; just feed small meals and go about your day. If he/she is blue at your normal "PS", feed a small meal and test again after about 3 or 4 hours. If his/her number is lower 3-4 hours after a meal, then the pancreas is working!

Post every day so we can monitor your progress and see if any tweaks are needed. He/she may have a sporadic blue number. Don't panic but post before you decide whether to shoot so we can have a discussion.

After 14 days of no insulin, we have a party!!

Sometimes the trial doesn't work the first time and we have to give a little more support in the form of resuming insulin. It's not the end of the world if that happens; we just give him/her the support needed. Our goal is a strong remission and it's better to take our time to get that than to rush into remission just to have it fail later on.

Good luck with the trial!!!

Once he/she is through the trial successfully, you enter a new phase. Your cat is still diabetic but has now become diet-controlled. Continue feeding low carb food in the manner successful for your kitty. If you decide to change his/her feeding schedule, let your meter be your guide to the best times to feed. Avoid medications with sugar in them and steroid medications unless they are medically essential. Continue testing blood glucose weekly for the first month and then monthly forever. It's a good idea to weigh him/her monthly. Weight should remain stable. If he/she seems "off" or sick, or is showing signs of diabetes (excessive drinking, eating, urinating, weight loss), test his/her blood glucose right away. Keep the teeth and gums clean and healthy; dental issues can bring a cat out of remission. If you see rising blood glucose numbers, it's time for a visit to the vet!

Hello . I have read your message and I understood. Thanks for the information. I'll test BG 2 times/day for another 10 days.

 

[dinu55]

Reading looks good but what time you test, i recommend to continue with the wet LC....

I test BG every 12 hours. At 1AM and 1.PM . I'll continue with the LC wet food.
I just tested at 1PM and BG = 50

 

[Camille and Cyclone]

I'm sending a pm with details!