Thoughts on reply from Orjion dry food

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Cheryl & Missy

Cheryl & Missy

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My initial email below, just was curious on thoughts, know dry food to be avoided but reply , interesting?

Good Afternoon Cheryl,

Thank you for taking the time to send us an email.
 
Here is a bit of information regarding our diets and diabetes:
 
Diabetes is a disorder affecting the processing of glucose (blood sugar) in the body. The digestive system breaks food down into various components, including glucose, that enter the bloodstream. Glucose is absorbed by cells to use for energy. Insulin is the hormone that signals the cells to take up the glucose -- without it, the glucose stays in the blood. Carbohydrates break down in the stomach as glucose, causing spikes in the blood sugar levels. When a feline has diabetes they are lacking insulin to control blood sugar levels. This is why eliminating as many carbohydrates from the diet as you can will help you to control blood sugar spikes. Our BIOLOGICALLY APPROPRIATE diets match the natural eating habits of felines in the wild, making them suited for managing diabetes with a higher fresh meat inclusion at 80% and carbohydrate content at 20% or less.
 
In a kibble, the sum of all the nutrients must be 100. The nutrients are protein, fat, carbohydrate, minerals and vitamins. As minerals and vitamins comprise a very small percentage of the diet, there are really three macro nutrients.  And, as fat should remain moderate for house pets, there are two remaining and variable nutrients; protein and carbohydrate.  As protein increases, carbohydrate therefore must decrease.  High protein diets are therefore by nature also low in carbohydrate.  This is the basic concept of ORIJEN.
 
Why is this healthy for your feline?
 
Felines are evolved to metabolize protein and fat as an energy source, they are not evolved to metabolize carbohydrates. They lack amylase which is a digestive enzyme used to breakdown carbohydrates. They are equipped with sharp teeth for shredding meat and have short acidic digestive tracts for quick and easy breakdown of protein and fat.
 
It may be of interest to you to know that for the third year in a row our ORIJEN brand has won the Glycemic Research Institute of Washington DC Pet Food of the Year award. You can check out this link for more information ( http://www.gripetfoods.com/PetFoodoftheYear.htm ). The award criteria involves an in-depth analysis of the product and its suitability, based on ingredients, glycemic-response, diabetic response, anti-aging factors, and biochemical requirements of the species.   
 
I may recommend starting with our ORIJEN brand, we have two diets the cat/kitten (which is poultry and fish based) or our 6 Fish diet (all fish). These diets are All Life Stages so they can be fed to any breed of cat, and any age.
 
The ‘as fed’ percentages are what is written in the guaranteed analysis, which I have also attached to this email. You can reference this information from our website too. (www.championpetfoods.com):
 
If you wanted to convert the percentages to grams/per cup you can use this formula to convert any %. We use a standard 120 gram cup. (example: protein 42%=  42 X 120 (grams per cup) / 100= 50.4 g/per cup)
 
ORIJEN cat/kitten and 6 Fish are the same, here are the grams/ per cup calculations:
 
Protein: 42%= 50.4 g/per cup
 
Fat: 20%= 24 g/per cup
 
Carbohydrates (based on 20% or less): 24 g/per cup
 
Fiber: 2.5%= 3 g/per cup
 
Phosphorus:  1.4%= 2.04 g/per cup (max)
 
Magnesium: 0.09%= 0.10 g/per cup
 
Calcium: 1.7%=  2.04 g/per cup (max)
 
Ash: 7.0%=  8.4 g/per cup
 
Moisture: 10%
 
The calorie breakdown for both diets:
4150 kcal/kg (480 kcal per 120 gram cup) with 39% of energy derived from protein, 17% from fruits and vegetables, and 44% from fat.
 
I hope this information helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to write back to me.
 
Have a fantastic day,
 
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MESSAGE ID: 365335

NAME: Cheryl
EMAIL: Cheryla@*******.com
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QUESTIONS REGARDING OUR INGREDIENTS

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My senior 18 year old kitty was recently diagnosed to be a steroid induced diabetic. I am trying to find the best possible dry food to have for her to graze, as well as participating in a feline diabetes message board. We are collecting information on what the carb content of foods are with \"the as-fed values\" (dry matter analysis). Hoping you can help as your product does seem to meted specs better then some foods out there. Missy has always had dry out as well as being fed top line canned foods twice a day.


What we need to know to plug in the numbers are the as-fed values for:
Protein
Fat
Carb
Fiber
Phospherous
Magnesium
Calcium
Ash
Moisture
Also the size of the considered serving and the calories per that serving.

Thank you in advance.

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Message submitted on May 1, 2012 @ 23:23
 
Cheryl & Missy said:
 
Protein: 42%
 
Fat: 20%
 
Fiber: 2.5%
 
Ash: 7.0%
 
Moisture: 10%
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Add the above together = 81.5%

100% - 81.5% = 18.5% carbs (if it's figured the same way for wet and dry food).

18.5% carbs is still very high for diabetic cats.

If someone else who knows how to do the math better than I do wants to verify the above, I will still list this on the new Hobo's food analysis spreadsheet.

And Cheryl, thank you for getting this information!

Suze
 
Your welcome but that's very low for a dry? See other thread? Trying to figure if she has diabetes or never had it actually? Know vets now not concerned about diabetes...
 
Cheryl, I can't answer if your kitty needs to be treated for FD or not. I am just not that knowledgable! I sure hope that others can answer your questions!

Suze
 
Diabetic cats need less than 10% carbs in their diet. This food is too high in carbs for a diabetic.

There is no good dry food to feed a diabetic. There are a couple that are 10% carbs or just below but they often still raise blood sugar for carb-sensitive cats, and they still create a dehydration problem which can lead to Urinary Tract issues and Kidney Disease. If your cat is a grazer, you can leave canned food out for grazing--it's good for up to 12 hours at room temp, or 24 hours if frozen. You can also get an autofeeder like this feeder or this feeder, and freeze canned food and set the feeder to release it at whatever time you choose.

As for whether your cat was ever diabetic, Blood Glucose in the 200s is still in a subclinical diabetic range. If you're still feeding dry food, getting rid of it could be the boost she needs to get her down into a normal range. A diabetic cat is still diabetic even if they don't need insulin--and diet is very important in controlling their blood glucose levels, just like a human type-2 diabetic. For more information on subclinical diabetes and diet, see p. 217 (3) of the AAHA guidelines: http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/AAHADiabetesGuidelines.pdf
 
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