? Switching from vetsulin to prozinc: Part 4

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Happy New Year! :bighug:
I'm trying to get Smoky used to his pet feeder. I put half in his regular bowl and half in open compartment of feeder. He keeps going back and forth between the two.:joyful:It will be interesting to see what he does later when the feeder turns to the next tray. :smuggrin:
I ordered some u100 syringes in case I need to fine tune his doses later. Also, I printed out the conversion chart from FDMB.
 
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Happy New Year! :bighug:
I'm trying to get Smoky used to his pet feeder. I put half in his regular bowl and half in open compartment of feeder. He keeps going back and forth between the two.:joyful:It will be interesting to see what he does later when the feeder turns to the next tray. :smuggrin:
I ordered some u100 syringes in case I need to fine tune his doses later. Also, I printed out the conversion chart from FDMB.
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Happy New year,Lisa! Here's hoping that Smoky continues to do well. He might do one of those kitty "popcorn" jumps when the feeder tray moves.

You'll find the U100 syringes very helpful - so much less guesswork when you're trying small fractions.
 
He didn't move when the feeder turned, just stared at it. He doesn't like it too much but looks to see if there food in there. Smoky was 220 for PMPS so think I will just give him 1.5 u for tonight. Good idea or no?
 
I'm a little puzzled this morning, Smoky's BG seems to be going up in the am but down at night. He had a hypo episode on Friday night, AMPS was 303 this morning. I gave him a lower dose since then, 1.5u but his numbers keep going up. Am I giving too much of a dose? I know it takes several cycles for a bounce to clear. I am home today to watch him.
 
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I'm concerned his insulin which was left out for 11 hours on Friday night might have been affected. Or is he still just recovering from the hypo and bouncing yet?
 
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I'm a little puzzled this morning, Smoky's BG seems to be going up in the am but down at night. He had a hypo episode on Friday night, AMPS was 303. I gave him a lower dose since then, 1.5u but his numbers keep going up. Am I giving too much of a dose? I know it takes several cycles for a bounce to clear. I am home today to watch him.
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Hard to know for sure, Lisa. Bounces have been known to go on for several cycles - Teasel's certainly do. I'd say that you should dose the 303 with something around 2 - 2.25 u as you have in the past. Go with 2 u if you're at work today or feel uneasy with a higher dose. If the numbers stay higher then I'd question the potency of the insulin. You'll need more data before you can draw that conclusion.
 
Thank Kris, was just about to draw up the dose. I thought I wld get in a +3, +6, and a +9 test in today. I think I will give him the two units and see how low he is dropping on that dose.
 
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Thank Kris, was just about to draw up the dose. I thought I wld get in a +3, +6, and a +9 test in today. I think I will give him the two units and see how low he is dropping on that dose.
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Good plan. Glad you're home to get that data. I really hope it's not the ProZinc because I know how beastly expensive it is.
 
About $125 for a 10 ml vial here in PA.
I hope not too as I only used about 3/4 of the vial so far. Keeping fingers crossed.
 
I agree it could still be a bounce. I hope it is not the insulin either. Data today should tell you if that is the case. Today's amps could also be the "Oh look, a squirrel" phenomenon. Maybe something happened overnight to raise his levels - a scare, more food later, less food, n uncomfortable BM - who knows. I wouldn't worry until it becomes a pattern. Yes, his amps were lower than pmps a few days ago, but not consistently.
 
Smoky dropped down from 303 in am to 174 at +3 and is eating his lunch now. Should I be worried? I'm guessing at least this means the insulin is still working.
 
I would be alert but not worried. He is likely to flatten out and surf - maybe you can encourage that with a small snack to slow the drop?
 
I just gave him a small snack of his low carb food, one ounce. I'll be checking him again in 2.5 hours so wld be a +9.
 
Nice blues, Lisa. I've been out and just saw your post about him dropping a fair bit at +3. It seems the insulin is still good - that's a plus.
 
Smoky was 167 for PMPS so I think it would be good to give him less than 2 units. Back to 1.5 or maybe 1.75? I was leaning towards the 1.5 units.
 
Smoky was 247 for AMPS but found him munching on some dry kibble my roommate forgot to pick up this morning.
I thought to give him 1.5u just in case numbers are food influenced. I'm not sure if I can come home and check him at lunch today.
 
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Smoky was 247 for AMPS but found him munching on some dry kibble my roommate forgot to pick up this morning.
I thought to give him 1.5u just in case numbers are food influenced. I'm not sure if I can come home and check him at lunch today.
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Safety always. He'll come down again. Good that he has an appetite ... :)
 
I have left Callie's insulin out, about one overnight/ bottle. I haven't noticed any change in how it worked. We all do it at some time or another. My vet says to put it back in the fridge right after drawing it up and before giving the shot.
 
I try to put it back in fridge right away. I put it in a different spot in kitchen then I usually do. The prozinc seems to be working still so far.
 
Smoky was 213 last night and 347 AMPS !
Either he dived and bounced or the 1.5u was not enough of a dose. Give 2u for am shot?
 
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Smoky was 213 last night and 347 AMPS !
Either he dived and bounced or the 1.5u was not enough of a dose. Give 2u for am shot?
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You gave 2 u on 01/02 when AMPS was 303 and got the nice blues so I think you could try that again. Can you get a lunch time test?

He might still be a little wobbly in his responses since the hypo of a few days ago.
 
OK don't want a repeat of last night and this morning. Smoky was 213 PMPS on Jan 3 so gave him 1.5u and he jumped to 347 for AMPS today. I gave him 2u for am shot and he dropped down to 222 for PMPS tonight. What dose do you suggest I give him for tonight?
I'm concerned if I give him 1.5u again he will be higher tomorrow morning.
 
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OK don't want a repeat of last night and this morning. Smoky was 213 PMPS on Jan 3 so gave him 1.5u and he jumped to 347 for AMPS today. I gave him 2u for am shot and he dropped down to 222 for PMPS tonight. What dose do you suggest I give him for tonight?
I'm concerned if I give him 1.5u again he will be higher tomorrow morning.
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I don't think 1.5 u is enough, Lisa. Something in the range of 2 to 2.25 u could work based on your SS.
 
There is one thing I don't understand though. Smoky has a very good appetite right now. He can eat 4 to 5 cans of FF each day. His BG numbers seem to have improved dramatically. He seems to be losing weight again though. He went from 8lbs 10 oz down to 8 lbs 6 oz recently.
He just had bloodwork redone when he had the fast breathing not long ago.
The vet said everything seemed normal.
Anyone have any ideas or experience with their kitties having trouble gaining weight ?
 
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There is one thing I don't understand though. Smoky has a very good appetite right now. He can eat 4 to 5 cans of FF each day. His numbers seem to have improved dramatically. He seems to be losing weight again though. He went from 8lbs 10 oz down to 8 lbs 6 oz recently.
He just had bloodwork redone when he had the fast breathing not long ago.
The vet said everything seemed normal.
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Were his thyroid levels done as part of that bloodwork during his breathing episode? Hyperthyroidism can increase hunger and cause weight loss. On the other hand, he might need more time in better BG numbers to make steady weight gains that hold and for his appetite to normalize.
 
He was tested for thyroid problems a few times over the past few months. All the tests came back normal. I thought that many 3 oz cans of food seemed a bit much. The vet said to give him more time, maybe another month.
 
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He was tested for thyroid problems a few times over the past few months. All the tests came back normal. I thought that many 3 oz cans of food seemed a bit much. The vet said to give him more time, maybe another month.
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Teasel eats almost 2 Friskies sized cans a day. They're 5.5 to 6 oz. He'd certainly eat more if he was free fed.
 
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Will giving him that much food in one day hinder him from acquiring better BG numbers?
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I don't think so. It's low carb food and they need more because they can't use what they eat as well as a non-diabetic cat. As they become regulated and stay in good numbers they need less food.
 
Smoky BG at 259 this morning. I think it would be a good idea to give him the same dose, 2 units, that I gave him last night.
 
Smoky was 137 for PMPS down from BG of 259 in am. I can't give him 2 units again with those low numbers. Reduced dose of how much or no shot seems plausible?
 
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