Switch from Lantus to ProZinc

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Hi All,

Don't know if I'm welcome here. Had a bit of a problem in LL TR awhile back. Anyway, I'll give this a try.

Does anyone have an opinion as to whether I should stop insulin for 24-hours before switching from Lantus to ProZinc?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Deb
 
Morning Deb, ~O)

I do not know the answer to your question but I am sure someone else will chime in. Welcome to PZI!
 
Good morning Deb and Welcome to PZIland
Of course you are welcome, this is a small group but seems to be growing by the day lately
I dont know the history but I switched from Lantus to PZI lat April and we did not skip a day.
But depending on your babies history...Ketones etc..
we ususally say to start over at 1 unit and go up from there...

It is still early so others will be on later to help you....and Welcome
 
~O) Good morning, Deb, and welcome to PZIville!

I've only used ProZinc so no clue as to a wait time or not. Sorry. :sad: I do know the two insulins work differently. ProZinc is in true time, no shed building and all that, but gives a lower, hopefully, nadir than PS. We aim for a nice gentle smiley on the BGs through out the 12 hour cycle. Not sure if that helps you or not with your question. :smile:

Starting low and going slow seems to work really well with our cats. .1u can make all the difference for many. Others are a bit more stubborn as it takes a bit more to move numbers around. Going slow can help you find what works for your kitty.

What is kitty's name? :smile:
 
Hi Deb, I remember you (and your wonderful sense of humor) from Health. Welcome to PZI! We are much smaller than LL but there is a Brealfast Club group around 6am and a large contingency in the evening. Fewer people during the daytime hours, so if you ever have an emergency, post on Health.

I can't access Marilyn's ss. Maybe go back, choose File and then Publish to the Web? I did follow you some on Lantus. If I remember right, tiny dose changes meant hypo numbers, is that right? As soon as we can see your ss, we can give you some ideas on starting dose.



Edited to remove dose comment. Slap, Sue. Gotta consider the shed!
 
Hi Deb

Since Lantus has the shed to drain, you may want to skip a Lantus shop and use the shed, then next shot, you can give a lesser dose of PZI, just in case there is still some overlap of the 2 insulins.
After a couple cycles I would think the Lantus shed would be spent and you will be able to give a full PZI dose.
 
Gayle is right - the shed makes a difference. Having it still in place could influence your first shot or two of PZI.

The shed is the biggest difference between the two insulins and it is hard for me to get my head around. Something you won't need to consider with ProZinc.

I'll go back and edit my original advice. Don't want to confuse anyone.
 
Hi Deb,

I have nothing to offer regarding the "waiting" period before starting Prozinc. I just wanted to welcome you to PZI.

Kim and Kitty
 
Hi Deb, Marilyn, and hopefully still not sweet Clark!
Of course you are welcome here! Think of PZI as the FDMB version of Ellis Island....
Whether to skip a cycle or not depends on her recent numbers and dose, and how large the shed might be. You may have to let it empty...Shed-B-Gone, so to speak.

The only time you will hear "shed" here is if someone were to remark "Summer must be just around the corner, I can't freaking believe how much dear Fluffy has shed lately!"

You had a bit of a problem in LL? Huh, fancy that!

Oh, no real rules on subject lines here...we just ask that they be somewhat informative, or at least humorous/entertaining whenever possible. And we converse in "threads" or "posts"... we live in condos...
Glad to see you, and that you switched,
Carl
 
Hi Deb and welcome!
I went from pzi to LL and came back to pzi when my Payne went into DKA .... L is not as easy to use on a cat that is complex and needs R sometimes.

I think you will really like ProZinc it is very user friendly, sorta like this group :-D I think you will like it here.
Nancy and Payne .......
 
Hi and welcome to PZI,

I went from PZI to Lantus and came back again too.

The insulins work much different so start asking whatever questions you have.
 
Think of PZI as the FDMB version of Ellis Island....


Oh Carl....you make me laugh, although it is kinda true..

Deb,
I didnt make it o n Lantus tight regulation either...I only posted on Health
when Shakepeare was on Lantus....and you will learn why soon enough!
 
dmartini4 said:
Think of PZI as the FDMB version of Ellis Island....


Oh Carl....you make me laugh, although it is kinda true..

Deb,
I didnt make it o n Lantus tight regulation either...I only posted on Health
when Shakepeare was on Lantus....and you will learn why soon enough!
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If Rudolph and Herbie were on insulin.....they'd be here too!
 

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Hi All,

Wow, thanks to everyone for the warm welcome, on such a cold day in PA. I already feel all warm and fuzzy all over...but it could be that I'm having a hot-flash, and need to shave my legs, and/or wash the animal fur off of me.

Hi Sue (and Oliver GA), I hope you've been doing well. I'm not sure if this topic is for you. I made my SS links public again. I believe I saw, somewhere on the boards, that the link must now be "pub" instead of "ccc". If this is the case, does anyone know why this is, and how to accomplish it? Can I simply change the "ccc" in the address to "pub"? Google Docs scares me sometimes, as it seems to have a mind of its' own...and I don't want to lose the data.

I agree with Gayle that 1 or 2 cycles should take care of that shed I've been meaning to tear down. I suppose Marilyn's numbers will show me the way...well, that might actually be too much to ask.

I haven't started ProZinc yet, or missed a Lantus dose, and I was thinking of asking the RL folks to have a look at Marilyn's SS...but mainly, I believe I am fed up with the shed. I just don't want to do anything to set her back. Maybe the switch to ProZinc will prove to be the wrong move. If so, then I guess it is just FD that I am really fed up with, and I'll give Lev a spin. At least then, I will have experience with all of the insulin choices, and can choose the one that is the least nightmarish. BTW, I have these nightmares while somewhat awake, since I haven't completely slept since Thanksgiving 2011, when Marilyn took her first-ever dive on Humulin N. It was that first dive that immediately sent me running, and screaming, towards the safety of Lantus. I was looking forward to that gentle action, and even curve, but have now lost track of the dives. Now I simply hold up big rating/number signs...while saying..."Wow Marilyn, nice job practicing your diving...I give this one a perfect score of 5.0...your best dive ever! But doesn't your head hurt, since we have no pool?". I don't know if that's the proper rating scale for sports...I may be confusing it with five-star restaurants, and hotels.

carlinsc said:
And we converse in "threads" or "posts"... we live in condos...
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LMAO...does this mean I can stop using the word "condo" with quotations around it? I was getting tired of the time it took to use the quotation marks to distance myself from the term. :lol:

dmartini4 said:
I didnt make it o n Lantus tight regulation either...I only posted on Health
when Shakepeare was on Lantus....and you will learn why soon enough!
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Hmmm, now you have me curious...since I love learnin'. Feel free to learn me anytime. :-D

In closing, Marilyn went up the Lantus ladder to 2.5u...and I've followed her back down to 0.75u since leaving LL TR. The problemo right now is, the 0.75u isn't enough, and the 1.0u was too much. It could be her Lantus is "pooping out", as they say, but I swore to myself I would switch to Lev, or ProZinc, before purchasing more Lantus. It could also be that she is just minutes away from her 0.75u Lantus dive...thus the painstaking decision process with my next move.

All I know right now is my fridge now holds Humulin N, Humulin R, Lantus, and ProZinc. And now...you all know how long-winded I can be.

Thanks again all, and thanks for hanging in there with this post.

Deb
 
That's the Deb I remember - hot flashes, leg shaving or animal fur..... :mrgreen:

Try going back to your copy of the spreadsheet. Then go to File over on the left hand side under the title. Choose Publish to the web. That should bring up an URL that has the "pub" in it. Copy it. Then go to your signature and paste. Before submitting, highlight that big long URL and go up to the URL button on the top of the white text box(next to B, Quote, Code buttons) hit it and then submit.

If it doesn't work, send me a pm. We'll figure it out.

I think you will like ProZinc and we'll hope Marilyn does.
 
Deb,
If Sue's directions don't work, your spreadsheet does work okay anyway. There is a reason for changing it to "pub", and it matter to people who use google docs a lot, or somebody who looks at dozens of SS's a day. It just overloads their "google docs list" when they go there, and they have to search for the one they are looking for. Not a huge deal, more of a "courtesy". But Sue is the "docs Doc" so she can fix you up!

I just looked at the SS.... I won't pretend to understand Lantus and you already know my thoughts on TR....
What I can tell you is that on Prozinc, you will be able to choose an 8 hour period over the course of a day, and actually get a good "night's" sleep, if you remember what that feels like. You could run a curve, test every two hours over one 12 hour period, once in a while (in case you start jonesing over a lack of testing), but you won't need to monitor her 24/7, wondering if the next test is going to give you a 40 when she started the cycle at 400.
With Prozinc, dose reductions don't have to be "earned". They are done when it makes sense to do them, no matter what the lowest number is. Same way with increases. You look at the data, you ask everyone for their opinions, and you make an adjustment when you think it makes sense to do so. After getting feedback as to what the results "should be". If the results don't pan out, then you try something different, but at least you know what you are looking for as payback for the adjustment. Yes, kitties on Prozinc "bounce" on ocassion. But it isn't something you expect to happen every time you increase a dose. When they happen, looking at the data will usually explain "why" it happens, and you react accordingly.
In PZI, you might miss the "stickies". But you'll just have to deal with that. Or you can go read some stickies if you really need to. But we don't quote from them, or point to them. this is the only time I will ever point you to one. You don't need to read it in order to use Prozinc, but it does have a lot of good information in it.
http://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=32799

Bright side.....you know me, there's always at least one to point out.....you are currently using a u100 insulin. Prozinc is a u40 insulin. But you can keep using the u100 syringes. With Marilyn's current dose, that would be a much better option actually. You're into the "less than one unit" zone. We have a conversion chart that will tell you how much Prozinc needs to go into the sryinge to be the correct amount. It'll be easier on your eyes.

Can I tell you that Marilyn will go OTJ on Prozinc? Nope, I'd be an idiot to tell you that. What I can tell you is that with Prozinc, you're life will be easier. You won't be up 20 hours a day worried that your cat is going to die if you don't watch her every move. This "dance" won't be the living hell it's been since November. The group of people here will do anything and everything that they know how to do in order to help you and Marilyn out. We have people here that shoot 4 units and people who shoot less than .25 units. They have been doing this for 2 weeks, 2 months, and 2 years. Some of them, as you have already found out, have used Lantus, and they understand the differences. This forum is not populated round the clock, but there are a large number of people on in the early AM, and late PM every day. Some of these terrific people have been here a lot longer than I have, and the day I first came to PZI to post, they treated me like I was their long lost brother. It's a pretty tight knit group. And we have a lot of fun every day, we keep each other laughing, smiling, and "centered" on the days where life just bites the big one. I think you'll find a general absence of "ego" here, and you won't see the word "expert" much either. "Family" would be the best word I can dig up for what PZI is like.

And if you really need a laugh or a smile, there's always this -



Carl

edited (twice) to fix the stoopid link to the sticky...because I'm stooopid
 
Oh Carl,
you always make me laugh as you bring a smile to my face....

This is the place to come when you just cant take it anymore
when you are trying everything possible to save your baby...
exhausted cause you only slept 2 hours (if that)
last night and you have to go work a 12 hour day...
and you wake up foggy...with a high or low number for your baby
and the first thing you do is come here...cause you know that there will be someone to help
It doesnt matter how you post...just that you post and we will be here for each other..
Oh dear, I am rambling again...sorry
I just love ya all so much!!

Kim...lets start planning the "annual" (yes I just thought of that)
wine..(beer for Carl!) party...
cant wait to see you all tomorow :mrgreen:
 
Barn Cats R Us said:
I already feel all warm and fuzzy all over...but it could be that I'm having a hot-flash, and need to shave my legs, and/or wash the animal fur off of me.
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I LOVE it! You fit right in! :lol:

One of the things I really like about this group of folks is the guidance has been gentle, friendly, helpful (even if I choose not to use it), with a dash of humor mixed in. :-D I especially like how others can see things I can't. It's weird. I can stare at the Poopster's numbers all day and not see what others see. It seems to be true for the others as well. Having more than one set of eyes checking on each other's kitties is a good thing to me. It helps keep the kitties safe. :-D I'm all about that! :cool:

I've also noticed it doesn't matter how silly, ignorant, or crazy a question may appear to be, there's always someone with guidance to assist. Who could ask for more? :lol:

Last, but for me the most important, is the support I feel from everyone here. Whether I choose to follow X's suggestion or Y's advice, everyone supports my choice, keeping on eye on how things are going. Amazing.

I love these folks! :YMHUG:
 
HI Deb:
I am a bit late to the party, but welcome to pzi :YMHUG:
I don’t know a thing about Lantus even tho I threatened to switch twice, but never did. But I’m always happy to help if I can, even with smart comments if that is helpful :lol:

Oh and Denise, make mine a beer too ;-)

drinking24
 
Hi Everyone,

What is all of this beer drinking going on...and where is my Corona with Lime?

"Quit practice and move to Spain" was funny. It was used as an option more than once...so either someone is really daydreaming about retiring to Spain...or it is the designated place you're sent when all else fails with FD. If the latter is the case...I better start researching airline ticket prices...I like to be prepared.

Okay, so I skipped Marilyn's noon Lantus injection. I shot a little N (half unit) to take the edge off the draining shed, since she was already showing slight ketones. I'll probably start the ProZinc at midnight. Marilyn's vet said 1.0u, but I'm thinking 0.4u to start, which is 1.0u in the u100 syringe...and yes, I have printed out the conversion chart. I'm sure the conversions will eventually make my head explode...which will put me over my daily threshold of head explosions.

I'll get her SS updated tonight.
 
Hello Deb and welcome!

I'm pretty much a newbie myself and Sneakers is on PZI- after being on Humulin. No Lantus in her history and for that I am grateful.

So... this party... I guess I would be the designated driver as i don't drink :-D .
 
hmjohnston said:
So... this party... I guess I would be the designated driver as i don't drink .
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Ahhhh, very good...for both you, and me. Good for you that you don't drink...and good for me that I have found a driver. Now where are we driving too? The only party I can find is the one in my fridge crisper drawer...it holds the Corona when I have it on-hand.
 
I think vets only think in whole numbers. You have to "start" someplace, and .4 sounds like a good plan. Just so you know what you would hope to see, if you look at Marilyn's AM cycle on 1/24...

You hope to see the AMPS and PMPS around the same number, and that cycle is pretty close. And a nadir in the +5 to +7 range that is about 50% lower, than the preshot was. That would a a "nice safe drop". Think of prozinc as giving you a curve like Humulin, only more slowly and not as deep. Prozinc's website says you will get 10-14 hours from a dose, with the nadir between +5 and +7, so right at the halfway point. And no pesky shed to worry about.
I'm thinking it's going to take Marilyn a few cycles to adjust to the new insulin. But rather than seeing steep climbs with deep dives, at that low dose you might see more "flatness", which is fine, and it will let you get a break from worrying and waiting for the "crash" that you have been having to deal with at a random moment.

Is the plan to stick with midnite and noon as her shot times (just so people know when you might be asking for advice)? And you plan on keeping her on the same feeding schedule that she is used to? What you should be able to avoid is using food to manipulate the curve as needed. You can still do that with Prozinc, but it isn't something done on purpose to try to steer the BG like it is with TR. A prozinc curve usually shows an increase after eating, until the onset, which gives most people a higher number between +1 and +2 and then by +3 the insulin starts to work. The only tests that are a "must" are the preshot tests. And at least one cycle of the day or night, try to get a test between +5 and +7 so you can see the nadir. Lantus, as you are well aware, is dosed based on the nadir reading. Prozinc is based on both the PS's and the nadir. The drop determines how effective the dose is. There isn't a set time frame like "3-5 days" that you have to stay on a dose. You just look at the data, figure out how well the dose works, and then go up or down logically. Dose adjustments are usually in .25 units, but with the u100 syringes, if you look at the conversion charts, it's easier to think in increments of .2 I think. It lines you up with the hash marks better.

Carl
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
Carl has covered the basics, Marilyn.
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Sue...Marilyn just walked up to me and tapped me on the shoulder, and said, "Aunty Sue just said something like, "Blabbity Blah Blah Blah"...and I said, "Oh Marilyn, I'm sure you misunderstood her, since you can't read you silly girl...and how the heck did you reach my shoulder with such short legs?" :lol:

Why do most of my cats have human names anyway? Why couldn't Mini & Micro be the FD's instead of Marilyn & Clark? Geez, I hope Mini & Micro don't read this...they would make horrible FD's...since they are both mental.

Deb
 
Oh my head hurts...I'm having a nervous breakdown. I'm staring at a glaring dive on 01/31/12, where I fell asleep for 3 hours between AM+4 and AM+8, and missed how low she went. This could have been her dose reduction to 0.50u Lantus...and is why the 0.75u has been giving me so much trouble. Oh no, what am I doing...what have I done. She is sitting in high numbers again, and I just can't take this anymore. I just want to sleep...I must go to sleep. She's been in reds for the last 6 hours, as if she received no insulin at all, but I shot the 0.4u ProZinc. And even if it's too little, it shouldn't have her in reds for crying out loud. I've been wanting to get away from Lantus for so long, just so I could sleep, and now I'm questioning my stupid, mutant, sleepless, brain's decision making process.
 
Deb,
at work on phone...short and sweet...
Step back off the ledge. Prozinc is not a worry for 24 hour insulin.
last night looks like not long enough duration indicating a too low dose. I couldn't see today yet..can you update so we all cann see the reds?
I think bump to .6? See what the breakfast clubbers say. They will be on soon.
Carl
 
Also,
It is her first day on prozinc....wanna see ugly and scary? Look at her first few nights on Lantus.
Last night's cycle was actually pretty decent till the juice wore off
 
Good morning! ~O)

Sorry to hear about all the reds. :sad: One of the great things about ProZinc, to borrow Lisa's saying, is "another cycle is only 12 hours away."

In truth, I'd much rather see a run of reds, than have a hypo or worse. Much safer in the short run...and easily addressed with the next 12 hour dose. I'd bump the next dose up .2u to .6u, if it were Poopy, and see how the next cycle goes. For me, the goal would be to get the pre shots at least in the pinks and find the nadir, if possible. It can take some cats a few days of the same dose to "settle", nadir can move around at first, and pink pre shots are much kinder for our sanity. :-D Then we can fine tune the dose to get the great yellow pre shots and nice low blues, high green nadirs. (Where I currently am in learning Poopy's dance.)

If we increase too fast, we could miss Marilyn's perfect dose. Oh! One great suggestion I've received here while learning this dance? Breathe! :lol:
 
Deb,

I am still too new at this and can't give dose advice. Just wanted to say, hang in there. It will get better. I know that it's frustrating and exhausting. The one thing that i've learned with FD is patience. It will get easier, you will find that right dosage, and then you will be able to rest soon!

Just wanted you to know we are here for support.....Don't give up on prozinc yet.

Lori
 
Agree with everyone (See how easy this is for me, Marilyn? I just let Carl do the scientific mumbo jumbo and the others reassure and then I can just agree :mrgreen: )

Patience, Grasshopper. This will take a while. Remember that breathing stuff. The thing that you will have to wrap your head around is that PZI doses are repairable rapidly. We don't have to wait and worry about this shed we can't see or even understand. Too low, subtract. Too high, add. We don't worry about kitties earning a decrease or increase. We just try it and see what happens and adjust.

Get some numbers so we can see how things are working. Breathe!
 
Ignore any reference I made to last nights data.
That was the humulin dose.
But the increase I mentioned is still indicated if all you see is red. It's a new dance, give her time to figure out the new steps. And don't worry about taking a break and getting some sleep. NO MORE TESTING AROUND THE CLOCK!!!
Carl
 
Yes, I'm quite the little charmer, am I not? :lol:
 
carlinsc said:
It is her first day on prozinc....wanna see ugly and scary? Look at her first few nights on Lantus.
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I know...I get it...but that's my point...I'm starting at the beginning. I'm just so angry with myself (not you, in case it sounds that way). If I hadn't missed her low, to know for sure she was looking for a decrease, she could of moved down to 0.5u on 2/01/12...and then she would have either settled-in, if that was finally going to be her dose...or she would have taken a dive in 5 to 10 days...and moved to 0.25u. See where I'm heading...or better yet...where she could've been heading?

I know it doesn't look like it on Google Docs, but I had her dives down to a science. My Excel SS has endless information on her dives and lows. The info is in the form of comments, that can't be pasted over to G-Docs (since it's a half-baked version of Excel), and it's way too much info to re-type...but I had them down to a science...as scientific as you can get with Marilyn's crazy moves. That's why the 0.75u of Lantus was making my head explode. It wasn't "acting right", but it's because I more than likely, probably, maybe, most definitely, missed the freaking dive at least once. I kept thinking she needed to be somewhere between 0.75u and 1.0u, or possibly the Lantus vile was running out of gas...either way I was fed up. I had her figured out, not an easy thing to do, and only accomplished by not sleeping...and everything went out the window with the 0.75u...because I slept for 3-hours.

I do understand what you all are saying about now being able to sleep. And I apologize for venting and driving everyone so crazy when I'm only 2 doses new to this forum. I just feel like I'm starting over, and I don't know yet, if Marilyn won't be a difficult kitty no matter what insulin I'm using. If she is just a nightmare cat, no matter what, then the nightmare could be about to start over, right back at the beginning, when it may have been so close to the end. The crystal ball...where is that elusive crystal ball?

By the way, I was not following LL TR by any stretch of the imagination. She didn't have to earn anything, and I wasn't directing myself to any stickies. I let Marilyn lead the way, but I was manipulating her moves, in ways that would have caused me so much grief in LL, that I was delighted to have been pushed off of that forum. I only wish I wasn't so weak, and tired, at that time (and at all times nowadays...with failing health), that I could have moved straight over to RL, instead of going underground to rest my weary brain...oh, and my arms...the arm wrestling was getting to be a bit much. This dance if filled with enough anxiety, without having someone force-feeding it to you. But I digress. My point is I had to get away, before I found myself in the ER, so get away I did. Unfortunately, the RL folks may have picked up on what I was missing, had I been able to stick around.

Okay the tears are coming now...must go...sorry this was so long, and so negative. I just can't take this anymore. I don't even have the energy to give back to this wonderful community. Marilyn keeps bringing me closer to my eventual estimated time of death.

Oh, and Sue (if you are reading this), on a lighter note, I wrote this to you further up the thread:
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
Carl has covered the basics, Marilyn.
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Barn Cats R Us said:
Sue...Marilyn just walked up to me and tapped me on the shoulder, and said, "Aunty Sue just said something like, "Blabbity Blah Blah Blah"...and I said, "Oh Marilyn, I'm sure you misunderstood her, since you can't read you silly girl...and how the heck did you reach my shoulder with such short legs?"

Why do most of my cats have human names anyway? Why couldn't Mini & Micro be the FD's instead of Marilyn & Clark? Geez, I hope Mini & Micro don't read this...they would make horrible FD's...since they are both mental.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Also Carl, you asked about shooting time. Yes, it's close to midnight & noon. And of course, I increased her to 0.6u ProZinc this afternoon...before I saw all of the advice...so some things never change. Lucky thing I'm usually able to read everyone's minds, without turning on the computer...knock wood. I know it's a bad habit of mine.

Thanks All
 
Deb,
That was AWESOME venting. I'll say this first, and you'll hear it more soon. NEVER EVER feel the need to apologize to "us" for venting. Long, short, clean, foul, it doesn't matter. Vent as needed. You aren't going to find a better place to do it than here. Some day when you have time, look around and see all the venting that takes place here on a fairly regular basis.

In the end, towards the bottom of the threads, you can "hear" the air get released and the person doing the venting is the first person in line to help the next person who needs to let some air out. So yeah, let it out, before your head does explode.

To some degree, you and Marilyn are starting over. But you already know all the "newbie" junk, so not really. My opinion, but this insulin is easier to "learn", to wrap your head around. Sure, some cats take dives once in a while. Lately there have been a few late-night "oh crap, where did THIS number come from???" incidents. Some with new kitties, some with kitties who have been drinking the juice for quite some time. Amazing to watch, actually. And it sure does draw a crowd, even though our numbers are few. And lots of times it is the newer members that are jumping right into the water to save the drowning bean, which is also awesome to see! But for the most part, the patterns and numbers seem to be pretty predictable. There aren't too too many surprises. More of "wow, good cycle today!" or "crap, Fluffy is having an off-day".


I just can't take this anymore. I don't even have the energy to give back to this wonderful community. Marilyn keeps bringing me closer to my eventual estimated time of death.
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Um, yeah, you can. And you will. You love Marilyn and you can take it as long as you're still breathing. And this wonderful community will keep you breathing.
To quote Sue "BREATHE"...
Carl
 
Carl is right, this is the safest place on earth to vent because every one of us has felt the same frustration, wearyness or hopelessness at our own times. We get it. But now that you are one of us we're not going to let you go under and drown.

The only thing I can see that you are starting over with is the dose, you already know the ropes with all this so all we need to do is start finding her good dose, every 12 hours at a time.

Hang in there, a good nights sleep will help alot too.
 
Rob & Harley said:
But now that you are one of us we're not going to let you go under and drown.
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Robin summed this up nicely. You are one of us and we are here to give you all the support you need.
 
carlinsc said:
Vent as needed. You aren't going to find a better place to do it than here.
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carlinsc said:
To some degree, you and Marilyn are starting over.
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Ummmm, so what you're saying is...yes, I should quickly switch back to Lantus, if I don't want to start over...BUT, I should post, and vent here??? :shock: :lol:

You probably can tell I'm wishing to turn the clock back 24 hours. And a Lantus user in the PZI forum would probably make history...even if it IS for being the most stoopidist thing ever.
 
Thanks All,

Rob & Harley said:
The only thing I can see that you are starting over with is the dose
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If this is the case, then maybe I'm panicking for nothing. It's just that she is the Queen of dramatic, erratic, numbers...and I finally had them figured out...and we were so close...when I misinterpreted the trouble I was having with the 0.75u. I know, I sound like a broken record...
 
If you are having buyers remorse I don't think it's too late to go back to Lantus if that is what you really want, you are only a day or so out of it. You could scoot back over to RL quick, refill the shed and be back on track with only a small PZI bump in the road, slap your hand on your forehead and say what was I thinking. ohmygod_smile

I tried Lantus twice ohmygod_smile ohmygod_smile and came running home to PZI both times, for different reasons each time.

Nothing is carved in stone. You get to choose which road you want to travel during your FD journey. We will support whatever decision you make and no matter which insulin you choose to shoot you can always come here and join in the fun.

I don't know if Prozinc would be a better insulin for Marilyn or not, you could give it a try and see what happens. If it doesn't work out better than go back to Lantus and slap your forehead twice.

Breeeaaaath!!!!
 
Rob & Harley said:
If you are having buyers remorse I don't think it's too late to go back to Lantus if that is what you really want, you are only a day or so out of it.
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Robin, everything you said was perfect. The slapping of the forehead...perfect. Buyer's remorse? Yes, I couldn't have said it better. I was panicking about tossing all of her progress out the window. Progress that took me 70 sleepless nights to obtain. Now, the panic has subsided and it just is, what it is. I had to make a decision by this morning at midnight, and I decided to shoot ProZinc. The Lantus "shed" was torn down by then, and I was giving myself a massive headache, just thinking about rebuilding it...my contractor has been anything but reliable lately.

I just wanted you to know that your reply helped me immensely with my decision. Your open-mindedness, and no pressure approach, was exactly what I needed. I almost posted to RL to hear their thoughts, and maybe I should have. Ultimately though, I decided I was making this harder than it had to be (who me? never!), so I just picked one. Besides, I couldn't post to RL...Marilyn had my computer tied-up with some sort of blog she started? She really is a handful, that one. :lol:

Thanks to everyone who welcomed me, and talked me down off the ledge. The chalk outline on the pavement will have to wait for later.

Deb
 
The chalk outline on the pavement will have to wait for later.
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Whew!

Glad to hear you've come to a decision. :smile: When it's our babies at stake, sometimes those decisions can be very, very heavy. :smile:
 
Deb,

Glad you stayed and giving prozinc a try. Glad to have you a part of our group!

Lori

p.s
Looking forward to hearing update's from Marilyn's blog
 
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