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Dylan

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Hello everyone, I just want to say I am new to all this. My boy was just diagnosed with Diabetes last week. I must say yes I was overwhelmed but no way I was putting him down for something that he is going to teach me how to control. So the vet has me measuring his blood sugar using mmol/l. I want to use the spreadsheet as the colors and all make so much sense and help with looking at the overview after a few weeks. Is there a spreadsheet here that is set up for mmol/l and NOT mg/dl? Thank you so much and this forum has helped me a great deal already.
 
Hello and welcome. I too am fond of black and whites. :) And use mmol/l. The spreadsheet instructions here (click on blue link) contain instructions for our World format as well as the US one. And there are different spreadsheets depending on whether you are using a human meter vs a pet meter. You will find the World spreadsheet actually uses both mmol/L and mg/dl. You just enter onto the mmol/L tab, and it'll convert to mg/dl automatically for you. A lot of the people on the forum are from the US, as is the forum host, and need to look at numbers in that format, so that is our common "language" here.
 
If you have any problems getting it set up, feel free to send me a PM and I'd be happy to do it for you.

Just click on my name and choose "start a conversation" to send a private message so I can get some details!
 
I will have to get back to you on the type of insulin I will need to read the vile. He get 1.0 every 12 hours. He was in rough shape when I took him in with that. A month prior he had surgery to remove a mass in his mouth. So they did all the blood work to make sure everything was fine before they put him under. According to them, all was good and they did the surgery. After that he started to not be able to walk well, could not keep his balance on hardwood floors, his back legs would give out, he started to waste away and was skin and bones in just a month. I kept taking him back and they just said "maybe the surgery was hard on him and he just needs to recover as he is a old cat". So fine because it all seemed to happen after this surgery, stupid me believed that. 5 days letter he got so he couldn't even lift his head and I said that's it I want answers once and for all. Of course this had to happen in the middle of this covid-19 stuff. So I called them, said I was bringing him and I didn't know what was going on and basically I was devastated and preparing to say goodbye to him, and because of covid they were only letting me hand him over to them at the door. Few hours later they called me and said he has diabetes and did I want to put him down or deal with it.
 
Of course there was not even any thought that I am going to deal with it. Pets are not disposable where when things get tough I walk away from them. So because they were not letting anyone in the clinic I was basically shown the needles, insulin, and told how to put the needle just under the skin, not into a muscle and to go home and watch YouTube videos. So completely overwhelmed but so happy my boy was with me off we go home from the front door of the clinic with, Thomas (my boy) needles, insulin, bio-hazard container, a case of new wet food, a testing kit, and a handout.
 
Also over a thousand dollars on the credit card. So in the week he is walking almost normal, doesn't sleep like he was, he is not peeing like a waterfall anymore, his head is held high, he is playing with his toys, AND he is back to sleeping with me in the bed cuddling. I have him only on a wet food diet, no dry food or treats, and food only at needle time once every 12 hours. I have not done a curve yet as that will take place Thursday. So I have been going at this alone with just research that I have done. The vet did give me the insulin amount that day and told me not to change it. I'm angry at myself for allowing it to get that bad before I put my foot down, but I was just listening to what was said to me. Makes me wonder if the blood work they did pre-op was actually done or did i just "pay" for it. Either way I am not impressed. But Thomas has given me the power to do this and not to be scared, as i need him and much as he needs me now more then ever. So we got this, I am just trying to make sure I'm doing everything right and not hurt him.
 
I strongly believe our friends and fur family are really needed more than ever in these times.

I wonder if he got a steroid shot along with the surgery? It could explain the diabetes happening afterwards.

Which brand food are you giving now? You may or may not have to feed him just twice a day. You can still give treats, just low carb ones that are single ingredient, pure freeze dried meat. Purebites make a popular one, but there are others. Those treats will make blood sugar testing much easier for both of you.
 
Bless you Dylan for sticking up for Thomas and demanding the treatment he needed. So happy to hear Thomas is doing so well. As Wendy said, it's possible the surgery and steroid tipped him into diabetes. With such good improvement so fast, I'm going to be crossing my fingers he has a good chance at remission.

If I were you, I would test his blood before every shot, at the minimum. If his BGL gets below 200, skip the shot or do a reduced dose. With such big improvement so fast, you want to make sure he doesn't have a hypoglycemic reaction. Take a look at my Billy's spreadsheet. Look how often we tested him and how quickly we had to reduce his dose. Testing will help keep Thomas safe. If you find the Alphatrak strips too expensive, you can always switch to a human meter with cheaper strips. Many folks here use the ReliOn from Walmart, if you are in the US.
 
RE: Juls and Billy
Thank you so much for the advise. Yes I find the test strips expensive. The vet told me to never use a human meter because it's not calibrated for cats. I am so confused. It seems today Thomas is having trouble walking away. Not nearly as bad as before but something I noticed. I will test him before each shot and then tomorrow is the curve day, so testing every 2 hours throughout the day. I feel defeated when I see him go backwards slightly like I have today. Maybe just a bump in the road (a bad day)? Thank you everyone for being so kind.
 
Hi Dylan and welcome to your sugarkitty Thomas.

Are you a fan of the poet?
Dylan Marlais Thomas was a Welsh poet and writer whose works include the poems "Do not go gentle into that good night" and "And death shall have no dominion".

The vet told me to never use a human meter because it's not calibrated for cats.
No, human meters are not calibrated for pets, but you are looking for a range of BG levels, not a specific number. There is no directly correlation between the BG (blood glucose) numbers on a pet vs a human meter.

Most people here use a human meter to test their cats. All our dosing protocols are based on the human meters, since when this message board started back in the 1990's, pet specific meters did not exist. before the mid 2000's, pet specific meters did not exist and all vets used human meters too. Many newer vets have never used a human meter for a pet, so do not know that is possible.

Contour Next One is a good human meter available in Canada. You might want to check that one out.
 
The vet told me to never use a human meter because it's not calibrated for cats.
Mine just told me to find a meter that uses a small drop of blood. She was using the Onetouch meter in her office and found it fairly close to what she got from lab values. A year later Abbott came around marketing their pet meter and she asked if I wanted one. Umm, no? :p She continued to use the human meter too.
a case of new wet food,
Hopefully the vet didn't try to tell you that you needed to buy food from them too? Any low carb food is a good option for diabetics. There are plenty available commercially in Canada. And a lot cheaper too.
 
Hello, thank you so much for this info. I will look into the human meter because the test strips for this pet one are REALLY expensive. The vet also did make me buy the DM food from them. I am so overwhelmed because all I have ever done was feed my babies the best food. I don't like the grocery food garbage and have NEVER fed them that crap. I honestly don't know what food to feed them then. Stuff has really not been explained to me and sat down due to this covid stuff. I am trying to hard not to harm my baby even more.
 
The ingredients in DM are not the best, especially for the price. If you find something else he likes, take the rest back and tell them he stopped eating it. You should get a refund. If he likes it, it's not the worst thing. What was he eating before the diabetes diagnosis?

The food list here, lists a lot of the foods available in North America. Well over half are available in Canada too. Look for something where the carb % is under 10%. The list is a couple years old. I think the Canada Fresh brand is good too. I fed raw food. You should be able to find something in the pet food stores if you don't want to buy supermarket. At least in BC, pet food stores are considered essential services.

Those meters you listed should be fine. A lot of people use the Freestyle Lite which takes an even smaller blood drop. You might want to see if you can find a good source for strips on eBay, even cheaper. I am lucky that I lived near the border and cross border shopped for mine. Right now you want something easy to get. Also check out Shoppers Drug Mart. Some people in Ontario swear by them and their Optimum points. In BC they are too expensive. But there are also pharmacies that will throw in. a meter if you buy 100 strips. I actually found my Safeway pharmacy the cheapest for diabetes supplies, so it does pay to look around.
 
Maybe just a bump in the road (a bad day)?
Absolutely could be just a bump in the road. Getting a cat regulated is often three steps forward and one step back. Giving insulin is never an exact science, because you can never tell what the pancreas is going to do. One day, it might decide to make some insulin on it's own, and the next, it might decide it's tired and take a break.

Testing and knowing the numbers helps, but even the numbers can be confusing as they go up and down, some days seemingly for no good reason. Be patient, and know that your good care will help Thomas get well in the long run. It just takes time.

Other folks have given you good meter and food advice. I just want to agree that you don't need the expensive prescription food to help Thomas. My vet's office sent us home with a bag of dry Hill's DM food. I took one look at the ingredients and refused to feed Billy that filler-filled food. Like you, I don't feed my cats crappy food. Unfortunately for my Billy, while I usually fed him Orijen dry (too high carb for a diabetic cat, but lower carb than most drys) he had access to my mom's cat's food, which was grain free but still high carb. Then he had to have a steroid shot, and his lurking diabetes suddenly got much worse.

We ended up feeding him Fancy Feast Pate. I used to think this was the McDonalds of pet food, but was pleasantly surprised to find it's got better nutrition than the expensive dry I used to feed. It's also simply healthier for a cat to eat wet food than dry. They are notorious for not drinking enough, which causes all sorts of health issues for a cat that mostly eats kibble. Do look at the food list other members posted. It's absolutely true that you don't have to buy expensive food to help a diabetic cat. Billy went into remission eating nothing but Fancy Feast, and he is felling better these days than he has in over a year.
 
Terrible, lol. He's stays right around 16.5 lbs no matter what we do. If I reduce food, he gets less active. If he eats more, he get more active. We play with him more, but it doesn't seem to help. He's getting a total of 2 cans of FF a day, and sometimes he steals a little bit from his brother.
 
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