So, what now for Lev ISG?

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With the new Relaxed Lantus ISG, I am afraid the Lev ISG is destine for the FDMB archives. Unless those of you with FDs using Levemir who believe the information we provide and techniques we have established as helpful to Levemir dose management (split dosing, micro-dosing, etc) are important continue to post here in some fashion AND bring new Levemir users to this section, this ISG will become a ghost town.

Rather than get in a debate about why this is happening, I hope we can make some suggestions. My suggestion is to reply to Health threads about not only the ISG itself, but about Levemir in general. It does not have to be advise to newcomers, but can be your personal experience using Levemir with your cat. I don't mean this to create a competition with Lantus, the fact remains that Lantus is going to be prescribed by vets more often than Levemir because there is more clinical information available to them about Lantus. Anything we can do to raise consciousness about Levemir is important.

Why do I believe in Levemir so much? Because from the very first few weeks of using it after 2 1/2 years of using PZI for Gandalf I watched a marvelous cat get his life back! That is not a diss on PZI, it can work well for some cats, but in our case I was never able to dose it TID (3 times per day) which is what Gandalf needed for it to have worked at its best.

With Levemir Gandalf's BG cycles achieved the duration his body needed from an insulin. If I had understood then what I understand now about how it worked for him, I probably could have achieved OTJ for him. But I will never know and I have to reiterate that OTJ should not be the goal for FD management, regulation should be the goal because regulation is what can lead to OTJ.

Cats are notoriously difficult to regulate, all vets know this and it is a fact which unfortunately leads many cats to be euthanized after diagnosis. I believe that Lantus and Levemir truly provide the best hope for feline diabetics since we advocated home-testing on FDMB!

I thank those who continue to post here - Marci & Klinger, Pamela & Tigger, Pam and Alley, Peggy & Mickey, Darlene & Jack, Laura and Harley and Marci and Buddy, Robin & Harley*. If I've missed someone, I'm sorry, but the truth is we've had very few people post here on a regular basis. Sheila, I have not communicated with you on going forward, but I hope you can find it within yourself to continue helping here and offering your experiences with Beau & Jeddie.

A new ISG was needed on the board, but it does not mean to take the place of what we've done here and can continue to do, which is show what Levemir can do for cats.

*edited to add Darlene, Laura, Robin and our other Marci 'cause I'm a dodo head when it comes to names
 
I know I will continue to look to this group for help and support. It is a small group, but that's what makes it great for me. Everyone knows you and you don't get 10 different opinions posted back and forth. That's just my feeling. I'm not on and posting as much now with Jack OTJ, but I do come on every few days to see how everyone is doing. I have only peeked at the new board a few times...but this is more "home" to me. I hope this ISG will continue on, you gals are awesome!
 
Darlene & Jack said:
I know I will continue to look to this group for help and support. It is a small group, but that's what makes it great for me. Everyone knows you and you don't get 10 different opinions posted back and forth. That's just my feeling. I'm not on and posting as much now with Jack OTJ, but I do come on every few days to see how everyone is doing. I have only peeked at the new board a few times...but this is more "home" to me. I hope this ISG will continue on, you gals are awesome!

Thanks for the support!! And I hope you can offer your experience with Jack, because anyone who's achieved OTJ has important experience to add.
 
I will continue to post here about Klinger. I support Lev insulin whole heartedly! Klinger started on Lantus got up to 7.5 units before we switch him to PZI which he also got up to 7.5 units on. It wasn't until we switched to Lev that he started to see good results with 1-2.75 units. I think Lantus and PZI are great insulins, but Lev is what works well for Klinger.
When I took Klinger in for his ear infection we had to see a different vet and she asked how his diabetes was going. I praised Levemir up and down. Hopefully next time she dx a diabetic she'll rx lev!
You, Sheila, and Pamela took the time to teach me how lev works. :YMHUG: For that I am forever grateful!
 
And while Musette is on Lantus and now on a very different protocol, you can bet I will be popping in frequently just to check on you all here. :-D I will be forever grateful for being able to come here when I clearly had a cat that didn't want to read the stickie notes.

Mel, Maxwell, Musette & The Fur Gang
 
Vicky & Gandalf (GA) said:
I thank those who continue to post here - Marci & Klinger, Pamela & Tigger, Pam and Alley, Peggy & Mickey, Darlene & Jack*. If I've missed someone, I'm sorry, but the truth is we've had very few people post here on a regular basis. Sheila, I have not communicated with you on going forward, but I hope you can find it within yourself to continue helping here and offering your experiences with Beau & Jeddie.

A new ISG was needed on the board, but it does not mean to take the place of what we've done here and can continue to do, which is show what Levemir can do for cats.

All good suggestions Vicky. :)

I am not about to leave the Levemir ISG or FDMB after being around for all this time. I am just not around as much as I would like to be lately, but just need to get through this busy holiday time.

And Sheila, I hope too that you will continue to help here and offering all that you do. Need continued updates too from Laura and Harley and Marci and Buddy. :)

We are a small group, but it doesn't mean we can't continue as always.
 
I have been doing a lot of thinking about this. I am still upset at the Lev ISG being over-looked from the start as the "alternative" to the Lantus ISG - for those that want something different in structure, FD management approach, etc. and that 'levemir' was left of the name and description of the new group. All that still makes me feel like levemir and the lev ISG are an after thought - or just not thought about at all. After all that I have put into this board and this ISG, that feels really bad. I have also been a "subscriber" to FDMB for several years plus I buy multiple calendars each year where FDMB gets half the cost. So, if I don't matter, maybe my money doesn't either.

My decision, therefore, is not to stop posting on Lev, but to, perhaps, stop giving FDMB my money. This board is a wonderful place, not because it exists, but because of the people posting here who have collected information, posted it, or posted links to it, and who share their experience with FDs so others can learn.

If this ISG ever goes away, so will I. To be honest, I chose lev because lev is less fragile than lantus (cost savings), doesn't sting (better for Beau), and so I could post here and not have to post in LL (which I did not want to do for various reasons).
 
Glad to see you back, Sheila. I know it's hard to look past everything....but I'm glad you could do that to still be here to help out these kitties and their families. We respect all the knowledge you have and I hope you can continue to come here and share it.
 
I, too have been disheartened about the Lev family being excluded. After 1 year on Lev, I also have my cat back. After my wonderful first vet told me that 2 units or less cannot help Alley, I learned from Sheila to microdose. My boy has had his ups and downs but is doing fine on .30 units. Everyone on this board has helped us so much, and we might be small but we are mighty! Please don't give up on us.
 
Well, since we are being ignored, my leaving would not have any effect on those that caused the hurt. It only would hurt this group and myself. Pulling my financial support, small as it is, might be noticed.
 
If I could get my vet to prescribe it, I'd be over here in a heartbeat. PZI (she wanted me to try it) was way too short acting for Spitzer. Lantus may be OK, but he became ill last summer and the vet thought I was giving him too much ... except now that he's back on it and past the 3-5 day stabilization issue, 2 units still appears to be about what he needs. I'll try again when the Lantus starts running out or if Spitzer has issues again.

And this group will think outside the box when someone is having issues getting a cat regulated; I appreciate that.
 
Altho' I am never here and not posting much anywhere right now I want to put my support with you guys. This group helped me with Tom, and I believe this group IS the so called 'relaxed' lantus ISG.
If I can help in anyway Vicky please let me know.
Lori
 
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