Smiffy - query about the Accuchek glucometer

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Looby & Smiffy

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@Elizabeth and Bertie @Critter Mom @Marlena @Diana&Tom I have just been on Facebook and there is a debate about glucometers and which are the best etc ...... one of the girls from the States wrote that if she uses her AccuChek glucometer on a daily basis but she uses the Alphatrak if she is worried about a hypo situation as she says it gives a better reading then the Accuchek ... she said that she adds 20 per cent to the reading from the AccuChek .... I have just bougth the Accuchek Aviva so what do you think .. would I have to add 20 per cent to the reading if I thought Smiffy was having a hypo ... if anything below 2.2 is hypo ..... if I tested her with the AccuChek and she was 2.2 - add 20 per cent and that gives me 2.64 which is OK - bit low but not in danger .... what is your experience of the meter and opinion about the 20 per cent and is 2.64 cause to give honey ... or just some high carb food or gravy which I now have ...
 
The accuracy of both pet and human meters is +/- 20%.
Human meters tend to read a little lower than a pet meter and vet lab results.
There is no set "correction" factor. Some human meters are closer to pet meters than human meters.

9-14-2014

I just did two tests with my original AlphaTrak and my human Easy Gluco Plus meter. Both comparisons used same drop of blood from two different cats


Dulce OTJ
AT = 72

Easy Gluco Plus = 54
The AT is 133% of the EGP value

The EGP is 0.75 of the AT

Badgar
AT = 377
Easy Gluco Plus = 331

The AT is only 113% of the EGP value

The EGP 0.88 of the AT
 
I have just been on Facebook and there is a debate about glucometers and which are the best etc ...... one of the girls from the States wrote that if she uses her AccuChek glucometer on a daily basis but she uses the Alphatrak if she is worried about a hypo situation as she says it gives a better reading then the Accuchek
It doesn't give a "better" reading. Either meter is fine.
They just read slightly differently, with the Alphatrak usually (but not always) reading a bit higher than human meters (and possibly closer to lab values). But both meters are 'correct', they just use a slightly different scale. It's rather like Centigrade and Farhenheit...
(FYI - Much of the info on this forum refers to numbers on human meters).

I have just bougth the Accuchek Aviva so what do you think .. would I have to add 20 per cent to the reading if I thought Smiffy was having a hypo
No. That advice on FB was incorrect. As Larry says above: "The accuracy of both pet and human meters is +/- 20%." So, any given meter reading you get may be completely 'true' or it may be a tad higher or lower.
It seems to be that meters read more accurately in the lower range of numbers.

if anything below 2.2 is hypo ..... if I tested her with the AccuChek and she was 2.2 - add 20 per cent and that gives me 2.64 which is OK - bit low but not in danger
If you get a test result of 2.2 or lower just take it at face value. Assume the blood glucose is too low and give glucose/honey to raise it.
Because you're using Caninsulin I'd suggest you raise it to about 5, so that you have some buffer of safety if the blood glucose drops again.

Eliz
 
FDMB documentation gives 2.8mmol/L (50mg/dL) as the lower limit of the reference range for cats when BG is measured on a human meter.


Mogs
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I've been using an Accuchek Aviva meter for over 6 years and it's always been nice and consistent--an excellent meter. The advice Elizabeth gave you is spot on--we use a difference reference range for human meters than pet meters, but it's ok to use either. I would not recommend using both a human meter and a pet meter like the person on Facebook is doing--you should pick one meter and stick with it. You'll drive yourself batty trying to compare numbers between different meters because of the +/- 20% variation range Larry mentioned.
 
It doesn't give a "better" reading. Either meter is fine.
They just read slightly differently, with the Alphatrak usually (but not always) reading a bit higher than human meters (and possibly closer to lab values). But both meters are 'correct', they just use a slightly different scale. It's rather like Centigrade and Farhenheit...
(FYI - Much of the info on this forum refers to numbers on human meters).


No. That advice on FB was incorrect. As Larry says above: "The accuracy of both pet and human meters is +/- 20%." So, any given meter reading you get may be completely 'true' or it may be a tad higher or lower.
It seems to be that meters read more accurately in the lower range of numbers.


If you get a test result of 2.2 or lower just take it at face value. Assume the blood glucose is too low and give glucose/honey to raise it.
Because you're using Caninsulin I'd suggest you raise it to about 5, so that you have some buffer of safety if the blood glucose drops again.

Eliz
So you mean apply honey if she reads 5 or less?
 
So you mean apply honey if she reads 5 or less?

Not necessarily.
Rather, I mean that, in my view, you should aim to not let her drop below 5 if possible.
But the action you take if you see a '5' would depend on where you see that during the insulin cycle.
The action you take will also depend a lot on your cat's individual situation. No two situations are the same.

For example, if you see that number at the expected peak (lowest number) of the cycle, that may be fine (and possibly even a nice number to see).
As a precaution though it might be wise do another test, maybe half an hour later to make sure that she isn't dropping any lower (as the 'peak' of the cycle can move around a bit...;) ) You may even want to keep testing until you're sure the blood glucose is rising.

If you see a 5 early in the insulin cycle, and there is still some time to go until the expected peak (lowest number), then it would be advisable to take action to stop it dropping much lower.
The action you take may depend on how fast the blood glucose is dropping:
If the preshot blood glucose was 20, and 3 hours later the blood glucose was 5, then, if it were my cat, I would give a small amount of glucose and then retest 10 -15 minutes later (and decide on what further action to take at that point).
If the preshot blood glucose was 11, and 3 hours later the blood glucose was 5, then, if it were my cat, I might just give a small amount of low carb food and then retest in 15 minutes (and decide on what further action to take at that point).
The above are just possible examples and are not intended to be prescriptive.

Be aware that there is a difference between 'low' numbers and 'hypo' numbers.

With 'low' (not hypoglycemic) numbers we may take action to ensure they don't drop any lower (into hypoglycemic numbers).
With 'hypo' numbers we are taking definite action to raise the blood glucose out of potentially dangerous levels.

The FDMB Hypo document gives general information on how to deal with numbers that are 3.3 mmol or below. But, personally, for a cat on Caninsulin/Vetsulin, I would also take action to raise blood glucose if it dropped below 5 mmol.
How to treat HYPOS - THEY CAN KILL! Print this Out!!
Please also see the Caninsulin user guide here:
Vetsulin/Caninsulin user guide

And in fact the FDMB FAQ's suggest that the general aim should be to not let the blood glucose drop below 5.6 (100 mg/dL) rather than the '5' I have suggested above. (Users of Lantus/Levemir/Prozinc/PZI may have different goals):
"In most cases, the target "peak" value should not be below 100 mg/dl (5.6 mmol/L), and for some cats it might be higher. Keep in mind that these are general guidelines, and they should be personalized to your own cat's reactions to insulin. If your experience is that your cat does not became hypoglycemic with a dose which is close to her usual, then your experience should be your guide."

Eliz
 
Not necessarily.
Rather, I mean that, in my view, you should aim to not let her drop below 5 if possible.
But the action you take if you see a '5' would depend on where you see that during the insulin cycle.
The action you take will also depend a lot on your cat's individual situation. No two situations are the same.

For example, if you see that number at the expected peak (lowest number) of the cycle, that may be fine (and possibly even a nice number to see).
As a precaution though it might be wise do another test, maybe half an hour later to make sure that she isn't dropping any lower (as the 'peak' of the cycle can move around a bit...;) ) You may even want to keep testing until you're sure the blood glucose is rising.

If you see a 5 early in the insulin cycle, and there is still some time to go until the expected peak (lowest number), then it would be advisable to take action to stop it dropping much lower.
The action you take may depend on how fast the blood glucose is dropping:
If the preshot blood glucose was 20, and 3 hours later the blood glucose was 5, then, if it were my cat, I would give a small amount of glucose and then retest 10 -15 minutes later (and decide on what further action to take at that point).
If the preshot blood glucose was 11, and 3 hours later the blood glucose was 5, then, if it were my cat, I might just give a small amount of low carb food and then retest in 15 minutes (and decide on what further action to take at that point).
The above are just possible examples and are not intended to be prescriptive.

Be aware that there is a difference between 'low' numbers and 'hypo' numbers.

With 'low' (not hypoglycemic) numbers we may take action to ensure they don't drop any lower (into hypoglycemic numbers).
With 'hypo' numbers we are taking definite action to raise the blood glucose out of potentially dangerous levels.

The FDMB Hypo document gives general information on how to deal with numbers that are 3.3 mmol or below. But, personally, for a cat on Caninsulin/Vetsulin, I would also take action to raise blood glucose if it dropped below 5 mmol.
How to treat HYPOS - THEY CAN KILL! Print this Out!!
Please also see the Caninsulin user guide here:
Vetsulin/Caninsulin user guide

And in fact the FDMB FAQ's suggest that the general aim should be to not let the blood glucose drop below 5.6 (100 mg/dL) rather than the '5' I have suggested above. (Users of Lantus/Levemir/Prozinc/PZI may have different goals):
"In most cases, the target "peak" value should not be below 100 mg/dl (5.6 mmol/L), and for some cats it might be higher. Keep in mind that these are general guidelines, and they should be personalized to your own cat's reactions to insulin. If your experience is that your cat does not became hypoglycemic with a dose which is close to her usual, then your experience should be your guide."

Eliz
As I am not home testing I have no idea what her pre food number is .... when is the peak of the cycle? Is it halfway between shoots or is the peak you have worked out yourself in a curve by testing all day ..... how long does it take for the insulin we insert to bring down the blood sugar level? I suppose that varies from cat to cat and insulin to insulin and food to food ...... so I would have to have done a curve wouldn't I to know the peak? At the moment I just have to go by clinical signs ....

I have been able to do her injections for the last four times now and she is bright as a button .. gone down to the greenhouse and letting me pet her on the bed and purring and responding to me like she used to when we can't find Pasha (she goes to the window to find her) ... Unfortunately she is not going out as much as usual because our new neighbours have a young child and like me she doesn't do young children!

I have saved this message from you ..... but as I say, I have to go by clinical signs just now ... am feeding her a litte snack of her m/d mid cycle and she is happier with that .... she is purring now six hours after her shoot this morning and looks really alert thank goodness ......

So please can you clarify when the peak of the cycle is on average with cats (the lowest BG) ..... thank you as Elizabeth as ever xxx
 
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