Sick cat.. she is in ER with DKA -COMING HOME TODAY!

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Re: Sick cat, new to Lantus .... she is in ER with DKA.

Hi, Nancy.. any update on Payne? Continuing to pray & think of you two :YMHUG:
 
Re: Sick cat, new to Lantus .... she is in ER with DKA.

Sending get well soon vines to Payne, and hugs to you.
 
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Hang in there sweetie. We are all pulling for a quick recovery for Payne. (((Hugs to you Nancy)))
 
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Wrapping you and Payne in positive thoughts and healing vines, Nancy. I hope you hear some good news soon. Please keep us posted.
 
Re: Sick cat.... she is in ER with DKA ..pancreatitis

I just got back from ER and she looks so sad .... I took her the shirt I wore yesterday and she made it a pile and laid right down on it. Her vet thinks she does have pancreatitis, even though the test came back negative a couple of months ago. I feel so helpless. How can I help her when she is doing perfect and this comes on so quickly? She has been a diabetic five "months" and she has gone into DKA four times! my poor little girl!

Thank you everyone for your good thoughts and prayers, we really need them all .... just Saturday she was chasing the 100 lb. puppy and trying to get food out of the cupboard, running the house, like always. I feel really hopeless right now. Her vet treats pancreatitis with a hormone? treatment and feels pretty positive, plus we caught it almost immediately. I never cry but I think I am going to go have a good one, thanks to all of you, it does help the support.
Nancy
 
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It's amazing how resilient our cats are. The fact that you caught it so quickly and she's getting the best care is the best any of us could hope for. With some TLC from you and the vet, hopefully she'll be home chasing that 100lb puppy again in no time.

Jason
 
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There are a number of people here knowledgeable on pancreatitis. There is a great Yahoo board dedicated to this also - but they know pancreatitis. They don't know pancreatits and diabetes though. You may get some info on this "hormone treatment" over there just in case though.

I'm so sorry you and your girl are dealing with DKA again. I would love a crash course on this. I didn't know there were three kinds of ketones.

My heart goes out to you. Healing vines your way.
 
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Karrie, there are 3 types of ketones...... acetoacetate...acetone.... beta-hydroxybutyrate.
 
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the good news is that she's getting expert help and you caught it right away. well done, nancy! hang in there.
 
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One thing to know about pancreatitis... it is painful, so be sure you don't bring her home without pain meds. Get bupe as it's great for easing pain from pancreatitis. Also, giving fluids at home is another thing you can do to treat it. You already have SQuids, so you're fine there.

Pancreatitis is like a fever in that you can't say 'she was fine last month'. You know that you can't say that about a fever, right? And the same goes for pancreatitis. If you ever suspect it, have the vet get the fPLI test done to confirm or eliminate it as a cause. Pancreatitis is like a fever.... once the flare has passed, the test won't tell you a thing. Once the fever is down, the thermometer will say 'no problem here'!


Chronic pancreatitis (or does my cat have a pepcid deficiency?)

Info from Cheryl / Winnie – steroids and pancreatitis tx

steroids are actually considered to be a front line treatment for p-titis. The pancreas is inflamed and steroids are potent anti inflammatory drugs.

It is important to treat p-titis flares aggressively.
I have experience steroids w/ 2 different p-titis kitties.
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Most cats w/ p-titis flare experience a degree of nausea-- which could explain the inappetence. Although
pepcid can help in mild cases, it often isn't enough for nausea of p-titis.
I had great luck w/ ondansetron for kitties w/ ptitis and lymphoma. it is very inexpensive prescription med. it comes in either pill or injection. I had easy pillers, so I went that route. The *big* p-titis vets ( zoran,marks, scherk) all recommend its use. If your vet is unfamiliar, i would be happy to post the dosing ranges for you .
If there is vomiting -- then cerenia shots can really help. They can only be used so many days in a row though.
and to note, they can be used along w/ the ondansetron. ( and yes you can give the pepcid with both of them. )

If your kitty is not eating, appetite stimulants are often used.
mirtazapine is a very effective medication and only has to be dosed every 3 days.
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=2552

another commonly used med is cyproheptadine.
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_cy ... adine.html

note: appy stims will not work if your cat is nauseous.

There are also various ways to entice your kitty to eat. and that sounds like it is a problem ( although certainly the pred should help-- and getting rid of nausea and pain and appy stims :) more tools the better !
If you scroll down on the following link's thread you will see a post of suggestions for appy enticements:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=26965

Pain control for p-titis is extremely important. buprenorphine is a med that is commonly used for kitties with this problem and is very effective. If your cat has p-titis it is generally assumed to be in pain. Sometimes the only way to know if treating pain will be effective is by trying. Please talk to your vet about this.
You can refer him or her to this by margie scherk, dvm:
Feline Pancreatitis: Underdiagnosed and Overlooked
Margie Scherk, DVM, DABVP (Feline)

Analgesia is of critical importance in the comfort of the patient, but also in the progression of the disease/inflammation through the negative physiological effects of pain. Pain causes disease and prevents healing. Even if obvious abdominal pain isn't present, use a "test dose" of 0.1-0.2-mg/kg oxymorphone IV to see if the patient improves over the approximately 6 hour effective period. If that is the case, then constant rate infusion of a narcotic may be considered or a transdermal fentanyl patch (DuragesicTM) for continuous relief. TorbugesicTM is not as effective for visceral pain as the opioid agonists are.

in other words, buprenex or fentanyl patches are best options for home care.

denosyl is a powerful antiox and can help the p-titis and GI issues as well as be a prophylactic for a kitty who is in danger of HL from not eating. If the liver looks like it is an issue, then I would use the denamarin. Try to dose this as far apart from pepcid as you can. It has a thick coating and needs some acid for the thick outer coating to dissolve in the gut. We had a few whole pills show up in the LB. The folks at nutrimax suggested smashing the pill and giving immediately. we would lose a little potency, but enough and better than coming out whole ! just something to make sure you look for in the LB if you use denosyl or denamarin.

prozyme is a veg. based prebiotic and helps to break down food and ease digestion. i recommend that too.
and if there is diarrhea ( and with gi issues, some probiotic like culturelle or fortiflora can be of help )

The thing w/p-titis flare, is it really needs to have all the *guns* thrown at it to knock it down.

Sub Q Fluids are a key component in treating p-titis flares. (s. Marks, dvm has it on top of his list, as does scherk who states : "Therapy for pancreatitis is determined by the type of pancreatitis. Fluid therapy and pain relief are the cornerstones in supportive care. Sustain blood and plasma volume, correct acid-base and electrolyte disorders."
 
Re: Sick cat.... she is in ER with DKA ..pancreatitis

Just one question - if she suffers from DKA so quickly and often - could prednisone make this worse? We saw what Pred did to Rocket and just the ear drops for Simon (stil amazes me that he reacted like he did).

Good point about not using an appetite stimulant unless nausea is addressed! So many people overlook this.

Thinking of you and Payne. She sounds like she has a huge personality chasing a 100lb "puppy". That made me laugh.
 
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I am off to see her again .... had a good cry, now time to pull myself up by the bootstraps! I am bringing her favorite treat and my around the house sweater :) I have much to learn about all this, so please don't leave me now! She is very much a fighter! and she rules the house, big dogs and all! I figure if she wants to live, we will figure it all out. Thanks to everyone!
 
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Nancy and Payne said:
I am off to see her again .... had a good cry, now time to pull myself up by the bootstraps! I am bringing her favorite treat and my around the house sweater :) I have much to learn about all this, so please don't leave me now! She is very much a fighter! and she rules the house, big dogs and all! I figure if she wants to live, we will figure it all out. Thanks to everyone!

LOVE your attitude & sweetness towards her cat_pet_icon your stuck with us, we are not going anywhere & our prayers are powerful! I hope your baby girl gets better real soon & those that are experts here continue to provide you with excellent information.
 
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Sending more healing vines for your beautiful Payne. Nancy, be sure you rest as much as you can while she's in the hospital receiving care; you don't want to wear yourself down.....(((Nancy)))
 
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we're not going anywhere. Payne could be any of our kitties . . . and we all know that. she's so lucky to have you!

LOL on the sweater - i left my sweatshirt with punkin when he had to stay at the vet's all day and he pooped on it. :o
 
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I am back and she looks TERRIBLE! she is all hooked up and they have had to sedate her because she keeps fighting them :) go girl! one of the people taking care of her said she even hisses, never known her to hiss at anyone! Vet was in surgery but he will call later, I thought she looked in pain and they will talk with him as soon as he's done.

Coming in the front door I had cats and dogs looking at me, like where is she? Payne tends to be the ruler of the roost and I do believe gives everyone their assignments for the day, each day. Even the Amazon parrot down on her cage in the dining room was .... what's off? why don't I need to guard my cage? Okay, what's going on?? Nobody told me .....

Thank you all for your good thoughts. We have only been on Lantus 10 days and I kept saying I should introduce myself to the group .... but I guess that's behind me now. :roll: I have posted on health and pzi but I'm glad to be here and feel very welcome. I believe I am the best place I never wanted to be.
Nancy and soon, my Payne that my heart is breaking for ..... not again.
 
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You have our thoughts...it sounds like she still has a lot of fight in her!
 
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Sending tons of healing vines and prayers for your girl's speedy recovery. Nancy, you are doing so well. Do take care of yourself. We are all behind you.

Hugs,
Ella & Rusty
 
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((((Nancy & Payne))))
I'm keeping you and Payne in my thoughts and sending get well vibes for a fast recovery.
 
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Nancy and Payne....i finally got a chance to read your ordeal....sorry you are going thru so much....this group is amazing and no need to feel bad about the "introducing yourself part"....we are a family here....you have gotten good advise....

keeping you and Payne in my prayers.....sending lots of healing vines your way.....

ps...everyone here knows i don't post often due to taking care of Rocket and his many issues...but i do keep everyone in my prayers....and now i have added you two to the list....will keep watching for updates on Payne.....and i love her fighting attitude!
 
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I do hope the vet realizes just how painful pancreatitis can be and is providing pain relief.

FWIW, when Gabby was diagnosed, she was suffering from pancreatitis, DKA, and hepatic lipidosis. I hope Payne's recovery is as quick and complete as Gabby's was.
 
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I hope Payne has a restful, pain-free night, poor baby. We look forward to getting to know you both.
 
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(((Nancy))) Sending tons of healing vines and prayers for Payne... :YMHUG:
 
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(((nancy)))
sending positive thoughts and wishes for a speedy recovery to payne...
 
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I just spoke with the vet, who is now puzzled by all the clues leading?? He is now not sure about the pancreatitis, so he re-ran the test she just had 6 wks. ago.(neg) She has none of the symptoms of either pancreatitis or IBD, she just goes into DKA .... it just happened so quick. One minute she he the center, moving everyone forward, looking good and 12 hrs. later we are at deaths door, she looked so sad today, like why? these are the hard times, there are no words to give, so I sang to her, 60's tunes .... she glared :)

Thank you all, she needs all our help but she is keeping her head up. I have so much to learn, I have learned so much .... these past 5 months since dx have been? my hardest, my closest with an animal and I have had some very close ones. I really want her to make it. He says if she keeps improving she could come home Thursday ..... oh well, who wants to replace an old car :) it's only money .....
Nancy
 
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Did the vet mention pain meds? Sending tons of positive vibes your way.
 
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Sending lots more hugs. How did he run a pancreatitis test so fast? All of our tests had to be sent away.

She needs to be home to rule the roost again.

That reminds me. I spent so much with Maverick in 2008 - our cars couldn't be repaired. Once my husband had calmed down enough to speak with me again... and saw Maverick improving, he told me it was okay. If his car broke down he would ride Maverick to work :lol:
 
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((((Nancy)))) I'm late checking in but I wanted you to know you're in my thoughts. I believe an acute pancreatitis attack is what threw Lucy into DKA when she was first diagnosed. I can't imagine going through that four times so you and Payne are both obviously very strong and determined. You caught it very fast so you have given her the best chance at fighting it.
 
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More prayers and healing white light to Payne, and hugs and feel better soon vines to you both.
 
This has been quite a journey from the food panic of Sunday morning when I couldn't get her to eat and I didn't know the insulin well enough to make an informed decision and I turned to you all as to what to do, and you were all there to help, I am very grateful!

Vet cannot believe how good she looks! I was getting ready to go see her and the vet called .... her blood panel from last night was back and it was good. He said he got up to go see her and she was sitting up eating and talking to everyone that came by. (probably let me out!) He is amazed! called me because he drew all new blood work that will be done this afternoon and if it is as good as the other, she's coming home!

The pancreatitis test won't be back for a few days and she is pacing and wanting out, so he thinks at this point she will be better at home. It is so weird? what happens? she has no ketones, her ph is back to normal and her eyes are clear. It doesn't sound like pancreatitis .... but what? He is increasing her insulin this AM, which gets me back on schedule :) He's going to give me an RX for the pens but he said they weren't as good as the vials .... I said I heard different, anyone know a reason? My first Rx was a vial, does it really go bad at 28 days? vet says it does not.

I want to thank EVERYONE for their thoughts and prayers, she surely has been the grateful recipient .... this list rocks, now if we can only figure out what sets this off?? 4x DKA in five months .... and now she is back to herself! That's my girl! It is a puzzle .... thank you all! A puzzle that needs to be solved!
Nancy and almost home Payne
 
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I've been watching this thread hoping for good news. So happy for you. She looks like quite a spitfire :cool:

MJ&Donovan&Butthead
 
I'm so happy that Payne is coming home. I do think that we can help you brainstorm what to look out for so this kind of situation can be avoided in the future.

Pharmacologically, the pens and vials are identical. One can't be better than the other and be the same drug. The FDA would go nuts if that were the case and the insulin would be recalled. The manufacturer recommends that Lantus, pens or vials, not be used beyond 28 days. Many people here get longer use from their insulin regardless of the container. The difference is that for cats who are getting relatively small doses of insulin, there will be considerably less waste in a 3 ml pen than from a 10 ml vial. As a result, the pens are more cost effective.
 
Nancy: I'm glad she is coming home. I'm sure you will receive a lot of help in trying to figure out the puzzle. This is a fantastic site for a diabetic kitty. Hang in there.
 
YAY!! Payne is coming home - I am so happy for you! This is so great. :-D :-D :-D :-D

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And good luck with the puzzle - I am with Barbara - this is a great place for puzzles and brainstorming and getting things figured out. Hang in there.
 
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