Shoot or not? Not used to these low numbers

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Wowzers! Well done for staying up and getting all those tests, hope you've stocked up on coffee for today.
There's definitely something different going on since the dental + new vial. The new vet would I think be interested to see the yesterday's curve... late onset and long duration?
Today will be another challenge then...
 
Oh dear! AMPS only 6.5 :eek: I wish I could figure out what is happening in that little body of his.

EDIT: There was another vomit this morning. Apparently it was’t a lot, mostly watery with few bits of food
 
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Georgiana & Perlutz said:
Oh dear! AMPS only 6.5 :eek: I wish I could figure out what is happening in that little body of his.
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That's a beautiful number! I know it's mind-stretching though - I wouldn't like to suggest what to do now, no dose for sure but even if you can stay home and catch him on the rise, the shooting schedule would be messed up.
I really think a quick call to the vet is warranted at this point, to ask his advice. And if you can pop home at lunchtime to test then, do so and post the updated number on your ss and post on the PZI forum to ask for thoughts on what's going on?
Meanwhile enjoy the moment if you can - 6.5, wow!
 
Yes, definitely no insulin this morning. Unfortunately I have to go to the office but I’ll try to come and test at lunch time - I’m expecting high PM numbers.

I feel like I’ve been requesting too many calls from the vet, dreading having to request another one so I’ll try to get an appointment today if there’s any late ones (I wouldn’t take Perlutz ofc).

I still can’t believe the numbers from last night, I most certainly did not expect a lime green! I’ll follow your advice and post again in PZI. Really hope someone has some thoughts on this.
 
Georgiana & Perlutz said:
Yes, definitely no insulin this morning. Unfortunately I have to go to the office but I’ll try to come and test at lunch time - I’m expecting high PM numbers.

I feel like I’ve been requesting too many calls from the vet, dreading having to request another one so I’ll try to get an appointment today if there’s any late ones (I wouldn’t take Perlutz ofc).

I still can’t believe the numbers from last night, I most certainly did not expect a lime green! I’ll follow your advice and post again in PZI. Really hope someone has some thoughts on this.
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I don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask the vet what to do in these circumstances - I'm sure they'd like to see Perlutz getting better as much as you do ( well almost as much!) so a couple of minutes on the phone shouldn't be too much to ask. Or could you email your ss to them and ask what they think?
Same goes for posting here of course - don't ever shy away from asking questions, that's what the board is for after all and everyone really cares. It seems a little bit quiet here atm but that can all change! I would tag the Prozinc people so your question gets seen by the right eyes.
 
Georgiana & Perlutz said:
15.5 already at +2.5
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Oh dear! So it looks as if the new vial, at least, is giving good duration but when the insulin is gone, he shoots up. It's probably a fine-tuning dosing issue, so you can shoot at the usual times, and something that the experienced Prozinc dosing peeps would have some ideas about. Very frustrating but I don't think it's particularly unusual. It may be that a different insulin would be better in the longer term.
I wish I has some ideas for you but I can only suggest a fresh thread on the other forum, tagging the members you know are good at this - Djamila, Rachel, Yong and maybe others?
 
@Diana&Tom I will do that as soon as I can. I could really use some help with the possible scenarios for today's PMPS, I got only 3 hours of sleep last night and I'm shattered tonight, I don't think I'll be able to stay late at all :(
 
Georgiana & Perlutz said:
@Diana&Tom I will do that as soon as I can. I could really use some help with the possible scenarios for today's PMPS, I got only 3 hours of sleep last night and I'm shattered tonight, I don't think I'll be able to stay late at all :(
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I know, Georgiana... hugs... you really are doing well so please give yourself some credit, but FD is so frustrating and puzzling at times, and you do need help and you do need sleep! Really hope some of the experienced Prozinc people will give you some pointers.
 
Just called the vet and I couldn’t get a call back but they made me an appointment at 2:45 today. The problem is I might not be able to go home and test around lunch time. I’m trying to come up with something but it’s complicated with work today :banghead:
 
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Just called the vet and I couldn’t get a call back but they made me an appointment at 2:45 today. The problem is I might not be able to go home and test around lunch time. I’m trying to come up with something but it’s complicated with work today :banghead:
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Can you print a copy of your ss and take it with you to the vet appt?
 
Drat! More or less his default number. Try not to be despondent, though, I do think the recent dental and/or the new vial of insulin are contributing to better numbers, it's now a case of getting the dosing right... not too high so he gets too-long duration forcing you to miss a shot, and not too low so the insulin peters out too soon and he's zooming up again by pre-shot time. We need someone to look carefully at the data and suggest a dose to try out and stick with for a few days.
 
Congrats on the reduction, Perlutz! :cat: *Just my opinion* If the Vet appointment went well and there not finding anything else that may impact his numbers, I might suggest a teensy tiny reduction. I'd suggest 2.5 if it it's easier but ideally, I would like to suggest a fine dose of F2.25 instead. I found, with our syringes, there is a regular drop between each 0.25U dose and my boy seems to take well to these tiny changes. This is how I get the F and S doses :)
 
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Congrats on the reduction, Perlutz! :cat: *Just my opinion* If the Vet appointment went well and there not finding anything else that may impact his numbers, I might suggest a teensy tiny reduction. I'd suggest 2.5 if it it's easier but ideally, I would like to suggest a fine dose of F2.25 instead. I found, with our syringes, there is a regular drop between each 0.25U dose and my boy seems to take well to these tiny changes. This is how I get the F and S doses :)
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Oh I'm just so confused! When I thought I know what to do, go back to 2.75 he gave me a blue number and then next morning boyfriend did his insulin before I woke up and kept the 2.5 aaand later in the afternoon the vet said I should stop playing with the dose so much *ouch*. Yesterday he went form 11 to 30 in 4 hours and today the insulin is acting longer than usual again! I gave him 2 units at 12.1 and that's the boldest I've been so far :woot: It's probably going to be a long night :coffee:
 
I do feel your frustrations, Georgiana. Anyone would be confused. It will be very interesting to see what 2u does at 12.1 - do keep your ss updated if you can so that if you have any questions, people can see straightaway what's going on. I know you know what to do if he goes low though.
Let's hope that you strike lucky with that dose. Every time he gives you a blue he goes back up again really fast, so it's a matter of stopping him in his tracks... the 2u might just do that.
 
Diana&Tom said:
I do feel your frustrations, Georgiana. Anyone would be confused. It will be very interesting to see what 2u does at 12.1 - do keep your ss updated if you can so that if you have any questions, people can see straightaway what's going on. I know you know what to do if he goes low though.
Let's hope that you strike lucky with that dose. Every time he gives you a blue he goes back up again really fast, so it's a matter of stopping him in his tracks... the 2u might just do that.
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Hi Diana:bighug: Of course, I will update the SS as soon as I start testing him, probably gonna let him be for another hour or so since he is just chilling and enjoying having the whole bed for himself.

I don’t know if the 2u at 12.1 was a good decision, but sooner or later we had to try a closer to his usual dose at a lower number. Dunno if today was the best of days as I’ve spent all morning and afternoon with my niece and nephew, both toddlers, and they have sucked all the energy out of me :blackeye: plus I start work earlier than usual tomorrow but can’t go back now so we’ll see how it goes (hope it goes well). I bought a new box of strips and have the usual high carb and honey although I hope they’ll not be needed.

I’m thankful to have you guys here on FDMB! And coffee, sweet nectar of Gods :D
 
Diana&Tom said:
Well he probably wasn't dropping then at pre-shot time. But it's the next couple of numbers that might give more of a clue about what's going on. How frequently are you going to test? You probably don't need to do every hour - give yourself and Perlutz a break.
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Oh no, definitely not every hour! I’m thinking to test again at +3.5 or +4 as I don’t expect him to drop too much before that and take it from there. If he’s still above say 12-13, I might go to bed and set up an alarm in 2-3 hours or so. If he’s below that, I’ll stay up and test more often. Something like that - how does it sound?
 
Georgiana & Perlutz said:
Oh no, definitely not every hour! I’m thinking to test again at +3.5 or +4 as I don’t expect him to drop too much before that and take it from there. If he’s still above say 12-13, I might go to bed and set up an alarm in 2-3 hours or so. If he’s below that, I’ll stay up and test more often. Something like that - how does it sound?
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Yes something like that sounds fine.follow your instincts!
 
Yong said:
My my how they keep us on our toes;). Are you testing Perlutz for ketones, Georgiana? What was he in the hospital for? Did I miss something :bookworm::bookworm::bookworm:
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Yes, I do test for ketones. I tested him almost daily last week but gave us all a break this weekend. Will test again tonight though.

He was hospitalized for tests (quite uselessly I would add - could’ve been done as an outpatient) at a referral veterinary centre.

I have a post with more details here http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...-inflammatory-diagnostic.215814/#post-2395475

We’re out and about for 2-3 hours, but I will reply when we get back home :)
 
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