Shaikha 6/8 t.i.d. + vet visit report

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I guess I forgot to update my post last night, but as you can see below it was a much better PM number. The only change I'd made was sticking with 0.8U thoroughout the day. Despite doing that, she was still pretty flat, especially after her mid-day shot, BUT she didn't zoom up into the 300s or 400s either by PMPS. I gave her 0.9U this AM just to see if we could get her into a green number for a change. Will take her to the vet today and post when we are back. She seemed a little perkier this AM and less warm, but we'll see what the vet says about her renal function and her UTI.

6/7 PMPS = 298, gave 0.8U
6/8 numbers:
AMPS = 248, gave 0.9U (slight increase as per above)
+3 = 161
+ 5.5 = 119 (tested at vet office during blood tests, not on my meter)
MDPS= 254, gave 0.9U (this test was an hour late, as was her food and insulin; had a computer problem and time got away from me! Not a bad number though given all that!)
+5 = 137
PMPS = 309, gave 0.9U
 
Re: Shaikha 6/8 t.i.d. + midcycles

Wishing you Good Luck with the vet visit!
 
Re: Shaikha 6/8 t.i.d. + midcycles

Good Luck at the vet!!
hope all goes well

Denise and Shakes
 
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We are back from the vet . First, her UTI isn't clearing up at all, so we've switched antibiotics to zeniquin, which has worked very well for her in the past on stubborn ones. Second, her anemia has gotten a little worse. That was the most worrying thing today, actually. It could be a GI bleed we can't detect, from chronic infection, or it just could be that the anemia that started last year after the leukeran just isn't allowing sufficient regeneration for it to get better. Her HCT was only 17.9% today, a drop from 18.7% on 4/27 (and a continuation of a very slow drop from 21% in January). I plan to start giving sucralfate an hour before her meals to see if that helps any just in case it is a bleed . If she's no better by next week we'll send out blood for a reticulocyte count to see if she's regenerating sufficiently but the adjusted retic counts using his machine are way below 1% which isn't a good thing given how anemic she is (they should be way higher if she's capable of regeneration). If she turns out to have nonregenerative anemia, then we'll probably have to consider using a drug like aranesp. That worries me because my GA Tabriz developed antibodies to epogen and that led to a long struggle with repeated blood transfusions to keep him alive. Aranesp at least anecdoctally seems to result in less chance of antibodies, but it is a concern to even think I may be going down that road with another cat. Then again, when these drugs work they do wonders and without treatment there isn't much we could do other than transfusions. We'll see what the retic counts show and we'll know more what is going on there.

Finally, she does appear to have early stage kidney disease. :sad: Her creatinine has been slowly rising over the past 6 months or so. The last time we checked it was 2.8, which was outside normal range. This time it was 3.1, and the way the scale works that is a significant jump (normal range is 0.8-2.4). Though her BUN was normal at 32 (normal 16-36), the creatinine is a much more specific item for kidney problems. We've started her on phosphorus binders and will continue to monitor. He's hoping that if we can get the anemia and diabetes under control that she'll improve some, since diabetes can throw off numbers but it can also lead to kidney disease too. At this point though I'm far more worried about the anemia than the kidney disease! We've got to get her anemia under control, but am not sure how we'll do that.

One good piece of news wast that she was spilling far less sugar in her urine. She was off the charts the last few times (>1000) but this time only registered 50 mg/dL so that was good at least. Better control of her sugar levels will help with the UTIs. Her BG was 119 when he tested it at +4.5, so that was also good. A much better number than we've seen there for a low.

Not very happy news today, but I do have plenty of experience dealing with both anemia and CRF, so at least I know what to do. My vet sent me home with the big jar of binders I'd taken there. We'll get through this, but I'm a little sad right now.
 
Re: Shaikha 6/8 t.i.d. + midcycles

Sorry that the news wasn't as good as you hoped, but it sounds like you have a plan. Every time I read your posts, I think how fortunate she is to have you as a mom. You are really on top of all her issues and very knowledgable about what to do to help. She is one lucky kitty!
 
Wendy, I'm sorry the news isn't better .... no comfort that you know what to do but it does help Shaikha that you don't have a steep learning curve. My prayers are with you both.

Nancy and Payne
 
Thanks, guys. I knew we've been sort of living on borrowed time with the anemia so I suspected we'd reach this point, but was hoping we'd be able to dodge the bullet nonetheless. Anemia is a very scary thing, because the options to control it aren't great (risk of antibodies or reactions to transfusions), but there aren't many options for nonregenerative anemia treatment. She's been on b-vitamins and mega doses of folic acid and vitamin B12, and we've checked iron stores too. The tools are there, but for whatever reason she's not increasing her hematocrit. It could be anemia of chronic disease, but her blood work values aren't typical for that. So, we'll see what things show next week. Aranesp is easy enough to use, if it comes to that, though it needs to be used very carefully to avoid side effects like hypertension. All of that can be managed, but this and the kidney disease were worries I didn't want on top of trying to manage all her other conditions. Ugh.
 
I am sorry the report was not better. You are so knowledgeable about all of her conditions and give her such outstanding care. Hopefully, the anemia will respond to treatments.

She is a lucky cat to have you.
 
Wendy,
I am so sorry you did not get good news
Shaikha is so lucky to have a Mom like you who is so knowledable
and loving.
All my thoughts and prayers go out to you both

Denise and Shakes
 
The kidneys are involved in generating blood cells be creating erthropoetin. Once you get the UTI cleared and the diabetes managed, that might help some with the anemia.
 
BJM said:
The kidneys are involved in generating blood cells be creating erthropoetin. Once you get the UTI cleared and the diabetes managed, that might help some with the anemia.

This is what my vet is hoping. The diabetes doesn't help with renal function, and poor renal function doesn't help with anemia. It is a vicious cycle. That said, her kidney values are not so high that I'd think it would be interfering with erythropoetin production that much.
 
I'm sorry the news wasn't better but I'm impressed with how much knowledge you have! She will get the best care possible from you!
 
((((Wendy)))) I understand how sad you feel, it's not like we don't think we can handle it or we don't want to do what we need too. It's just something we were hoping we wouldn't have to face. It's ok to be sad right now.
 
Oh wow, what a lot to deal with. :YMHUG: I am happy to see some nice blues today though, that's good news. And good call on realizing a vet trip was in order, at least hopefully that will keep you one step ahead of the problems. Hopefully once you adjust a little to the new news, you'll be able to focus on quality time with her. I've found it helps me to remind myself that illness shouldn't be the dominant reality for me - yeah, it's there, but life is about so much more. Not that I succeed with that :mrgreen: but at least I remind myself of it now & then. :razz: (I have a civie with cancer, and I really wish I could let illnesses take a back seat in life rather than being a daily focus... hard to find that perspective though.)
 
Joanna & Bix (GA) said:
Oh wow, what a lot to deal with. :YMHUG: I am happy to see some nice blues today though, that's good news. And good call on realizing a vet trip was in order, at least hopefully that will keep you one step ahead of the problems. Hopefully once you adjust a little to the new news, you'll be able to focus on quality time with her. I've found it helps me to remind myself that illness shouldn't be the dominant reality for me - yeah, it's there, but life is about so much more. Not that I succeed with that :mrgreen: but at least I remind myself of it now & then. :razz: (I have a civie with cancer, and I really wish I could let illnesses take a back seat in life rather than being a daily focus... hard to find that perspective though.)

Thanks, Joanna, and thanks to you all for your support! We'll get through this. You're right of course, though it is hard to keep it in perspective, especially when they require a lot of care. Sorry to hear about your civvie with cancer. I'm sure that's very tough to deal with too.

Despite the bad news, she has had a GREAT day blood glucose wise, I think! Though she's still not into the greens, we actually got a nicer curve with a slightly higher dose, so I suspect that was what we needed. And like someone else pointed out, getting her diabetes better controlled may also help with the anemia. Despite being a little low, it hasn't stopped her much. I found her on my desk this evening, which surprised me. She can get up there without leaping too high but it does take some effort, so she must not be feeling too badly. One thing I found with Tabriz is that they can adapt amazingly well to lower red blood cell counts. The first time they drop below 20% it does take a bit of wind out of their sails, but they eventually adjust to it as long as values don't fall too low. Tabriz actually felt pretty good even at 12% PCV. His appetite would be down some and he would move more slowly, but he just took life one day at a time. In fact, that's one lesson we all can learn from our kitties. They don't dwell on the future or worry about what might happen.
 
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