? Scratches 2/10 AMPS 348 +1.5 356 +5 295

[Scratches123]

From the 8th:
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/scratches-2-8-amps-278-2-360-pmps-321.225393/

Ugh...What am I doing wrong?



I've been posting here constantly and doing everything everyone has told me to do, I have been doing almost exactly what everyone has advised me to do. I even went to the vet for advice...which i'm not taking all of her advice even though she is very helpful in most cases, just not diabetes...she told me, and I quote, "most people don't go to the extreme measures you do in testing so much, and only bring their cats in maybe once a month, one even comes in only once a year for a glucose test, you're maybe doing too much" WHAT?!?! I wanted to tell her well maybe you should tell your other patients they should be testing more! My cat is my CHILD!! Would a Dr tell that to someones mother regarding their child that they're doing too much?! UGHHH

At least i'm feeling a bit better today. Fingers crossed i'll start to AT LEAST see some yellows soon I am so defeated...

I am hoping her highs recently are maybe a bounce from the other night 2/8??

 

[tiffmaxee]

Aren’t you glad you found this forum? I will never understand those vets that don’t think testing is necessary.

Please don’t feel defeated. For most this is a marathon and not a sprint. Scratches is new to diabetes so follow TR and you will get regulated and very likely go OTJ!

 

[Scratches123]

Aren’t you glad you found this forum? I will never understand those vets that don’t think testing is necessary.

Please don’t feel defeated. For most this is a marathon and not a sprint. Scratches is new to diabetes so follow TR and you will get regulated and very likely go OTJ!

I was feeling very upset when I left the vets office the other day. I felt like I should be telling her other patients they DO need to home test and take this more seriously..thing is, people trust their vets and listen to everything they have to say about diabetes care and most of their information is wrong. It's sad. I am SOOOO glad I found this forum, its truly a life saver for Scratches, she would have died. She could barely walk four months ago. She's a totally different cat now! My vet said to leave her at .25 for two full weeks and report back to her. Well after the 6 cycles (per TR) and no improvement, I raised to .5 on my own. I probably won't even sent the spreadsheet to the vet because she will just be upset with me for not listening to her. Oh well.

Anyway, I just hope she can get back to those nice blues and greens we saw so much of a couple weeks ago. It makes me wonder what happened so suddenly to make her sugar sky rocket again. Guess thats just part of it

 

[Judy and Freckles]

From the 8th:
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/scratches-2-8-amps-278-2-360-pmps-321.225393/

Ugh...What am I doing wrong?



I've been posting here constantly and doing everything everyone has told me to do, I have been doing almost exactly what everyone has advised me to do. I even went to the vet for advice...which i'm not taking all of her advice even though she is very helpful in most cases, just not diabetes...she told me, and I quote, "most people don't go to the extreme measures you do in testing so much, and only bring their cats in maybe once a month, one even comes in only once a year for a glucose test, you're maybe doing too much" WHAT?!?! I wanted to tell her well maybe you should tell your other patients they should be testing more! My cat is my CHILD!! Would a Dr tell that to someones mother regarding their child that they're doing too much?! UGHHH

At least i'm feeling a bit better today. Fingers crossed i'll start to AT LEAST see some yellows soon I am so defeated...

I am hoping her highs recently are maybe a bounce from the other night 2/8??

Hi Elise,

As it was explained to me when I asked the same question as you was that insulin is a hormone and not a drug. Sometimes your cat just hasn't found the dose that it needs to bring down the numbers and the actual amount of insulin really shouldn't be the focus - they need what they need. For several months, Freckles lived in the land of yellow and it isn't until just recently that we've started seeing some blues and greens. Put faith in the protocols and the experienced people that are helping you. They have unselfishly helped many people and have TONS of experience. I feel quite confident in saying that they have likely seen just about everything.

Post regularly on the forum, ask lots of questions and read all of the stickies and information several times. If you have a dosing question, ask. If you feel you are holding a dose too long, ask. The people on this board are very, very generous with their time/knowledge. If Scratches goes low during a cycle and you think you know what to do, post, just to be sure. Hang in there! You aren't alone!

 

[Scratches123]

She also told me she understands i'm working towards remission, but Scratches isn't going to get there. She said if it was going to happen, it would have by now So, I was pretty upset by that as well...

 

[Scratches123]

Hi Elise,

As it was explained to me when I asked the same question as you was that insulin is a hormone and not a drug. Sometimes your cat just hasn't found the dose that it needs to bring down the numbers and the actual amount of insulin really shouldn't be the focus - they need what they need. For several months, Freckles lived in the land of yellow and it isn't until just recently that we've started seeing some blues and greens. Put faith in the protocols and the experienced people that are helping you. They have unselfishly helped many people and have TONS of experience. I feel quite confident in saying that they have likely seen just about everything.

Post regularly on the forum, ask lots of questions and read all of the stickies and information several times. If you have a dosing question, ask. If you feel you are holding a dose too long, ask. The people on this board are very, very generous with their time/knowledge. If Scratches goes low during a cycle and you think you know what to do, post, just to be sure. Hang in there! You aren't alone!

I stopped posting for a month or so because I thought I could get a handle on it myself (I couldn't), and recently got back on board and wow I already see a change. Those blues and greens are just so pretty aren't they?

 

[Judy and Freckles]

She also told me she understands i'm working towards remission, but Scratches isn't going to get there. She said if it was going to happen, it would have by now So, I was pretty upset by that as well...

Never say never. There are people on here who had very high dosed kitties that went into remission. There are kitties who were sick with other diseases that went into remission. There are kitties who had insulin for years that did go into remission. There are kitties who went into remission, back on insulin, remission, insulin multiple times.

All of us hope that our kitties will go into remission (actually diet controlled diabetes), sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. My vet told me the same thing that Freckles would not go into remission. Even if she never does go into remission, by getting her numbers lower it's healthier on her little body - that's what I'm aiming for. (I wouldn't mind to prove my vet wrong but if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen).

 

[tiffmaxee]

There are people here whose cats went OTJ after a year or two. Never say never. Max didn’t but he had chronic pancreatitis for several years and I think his pancreas was shot. But even he was tightly controlled.

If you like your vet for everything else you could have a different version of your ss for her only.

 

[Wendy&Neko]

She could barely walk four months ago. She's a totally different cat now! M

Clearly you are doing a lot right!

Remember, you first focus should be on regulation. Not all cats go into remission, but of those that do, they don't get there without getting regulated first. Like Elise, I had many more years with my cat that I first thought I would. Not OTJ but way happier and healthier than when first diagnosed. That was worth it!

 

[Sue and Luci]

I'm so glad that you're seeing the light! I wish I could tell everyone to 'cut the cord' when it comes to their vets. Yes, I understand that many people have put a lot of faith in their vets - I mean after all they are 'trained professionals' - right? But if I'd listened to my vet - Luci would have been euthanized shortly after being diagnosed with diabetes. That was his recommendation! He told me all the reasons - it's too hard to regulate cats; they will pee all over your house; she's too high strung and won't come to you for the shots; if left untreated she'll starve to death - he was just full of doom and gloom. When I did some research and challenged him that I'd found information on the web his response was, well you can't depend on the web for that kind of information - thank GOD I didn't listen to him; but instead continued to research this problem. Luci was a perfectly healthy cat in every other way - how could we possibly choose the day to have her put to sleep? People are treated for diabetes - why not pets? How hard could it be?????

So needless to say I left that vet behind - and instead sought out this group to listen to - and I'm glad I did. Since then I've found another vet for her other health issues and dentals, etc. (Luci is currently being treated for a broken toe)...the vet is aware that she's a diabetic and her diabetes is being managed by her mother - and that's about all I say about that - I do not check in with them once a month or even once a year about her diabetes....and it's been over two years now.

Please don't put your faith in what your vet or any vet for that matter has to say - I know it goes against everything you would prefer to believe - but this forum has been saving FD cats since 1996 - and the collective wisdom of this group has gone far and above what any vet could possibly claim to have done for diabetic cats! I know there are some who've been more sympathetic and even some who have done a better job of taking care of FD cats - but as a rule they are not the 'norm'....

Luci may not be in remission now or ever for that matter - but she's happy and healthy and running back and forth at this very moment acting silly and loving life - because I did not listen to the vet.

 

[Scratches123]

But if I'd listened to my vet - Luci would have been euthanized shortly after being diagnosed with diabetes

The first vet we went to upon diagnoses said the same thing. To think about euthanizing her. Scratches was fine other than the diabetes. How could someone say that? Would a Dr say that about a child to a mother? I don't think so!! I mainly took Scratches to the vet the other day to get her looked at because of her recent sugar spike, I know sometimes it's caused by infection or bad teeth etc...the vet found nothing to be concerned about and then basically told me everything I had been doing thus far concerning her diabetes was wrong. I felt terrible leaving there that day (not because I really believed her, but it's just hard to hear someone thinks that way after all the hard work and dedication i've put in). I wouldn't care if Scratches never went into remission, yes thats what we're all trying for, but I don't mind putting in the work for her even if it never happens. I even think it's made us closer. The trust and love she has for me is very clear <3

 

[tiffmaxee]

Hi Elise,

As it was explained to me when I asked the same question as you was that insulin is a hormone and not a drug. Sometimes your cat just hasn't found the dose that it needs to bring down the numbers and the actual amount of insulin really shouldn't be the focus - they need what they need. For several months, Freckles lived in the land of yellow and it isn't until just recently that we've started seeing some blues and greens. Put faith in the protocols and the experienced people that are helping you. They have unselfishly helped many people and have TONS of experience. I feel quite confident in saying that they have likely seen just about everything.

Post regularly on the forum, ask lots of questions and read all of the stickies and information several times. If you have a dosing question, ask. If you feel you are holding a dose too long, ask. The people on this board are very, very generous with their time/knowledge. If Scratches goes low during a cycle and you think you know what to do, post, just to be sure. Hang in there! You aren't alone!

Not sure why this was directed to me. I believe it was meant for Scratches’s mom.