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Rhonda Kay

Rhonda Kay

Member Since 2020
Hello All, (hope I'm in the right place)
Me and Mr.Tiggers have been away for a while and it looks like our account may have been removed, so starting new. We were doing pretty good with his diabetes. But not so good lately. I need help again as what I'm doing is no longer working. Obviously feel like I'm failing him. Was working with Barb until she retired. Hope we can get an advisor to help.
The format of the page has changed a great deal and so I will need to learn how to use it again. Not sure about where to post numbers and such. Will keep reading. I don't have a computer at home so access is at work mostly but can do day to day on my phone as needed.
Thanks in advance,
Rhonda and Mr.Tiggers

p.s. the links in the welcome email do not work. :(
 
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Hiya


Yes, a great deal has changed here.


I'm one of the oldies from 2008 who can still read ordinary posted bg numbers and labwork.. But These days they want you to set up a Spreadsheet where you enter all data and numbers. Here is link to those Instructions http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/

You also fill in your Signature, with Mr Tigger's information and in that one you link over to your Spreadsheet.
 
Ann & Scatcats said:
Hiya


Yes, a great deal has changed here.


I'm one of the oldies from 2008 who can still read ordinary posted bg numbers and labwork.. But These days they want you to set up a Spreadsheet where you enter all data and numbers. Here is link to those Instructions http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/

You also fill in your Signature, with Mr Tigger's information and in that one you link over to your Spreadsheet.
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Thank you so much for your help!!! Time for me to get busy working on these. :bighug:
 
I think the spreadsheet is set up. I will not have access to a computer until Monday morning so might not be able to get on this site. But will try with my phone.
What kind of curve should I do over the weekend. I can start anytime after 8 this morning. I'll work on filling in Tig's info on the spreadsheet and signature.
Thanks all.
 
If you have Google Drive installed on your phone you should be able to enter data into your spreadsheet.

With a curve, start at AMPS and test every 2 hours for 12 hours. If you have any data stored in your meter, you can add that to the spreadsheet, as well.

Chances are that your account wasn't removed. Depending on when you last posted, the Board may have moved to a different server.
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
If you have Google Drive installed on your phone you should be able to enter data into your spreadsheet.

With a curve, start at AMPS and test every 2 hours for 12 hours. If you have any data stored in your meter, you can add that to the spreadsheet, as well.

Chances are that your account wasn't removed. Depending on when you last posted, the Board may have moved to a different server.
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I do have google drive and did figure out how to use it so that will definitely help!
I do keep records of his numbers but will really enjoy using this spreadsheet, should be easier to use.
I was wondering if the old account was moved as well. Just glad to get back on. I'll be good once I get used to moving around in the board.
Thank you so much for your help!
 
I think the old accounts were available for a period of time. It's been several years since the last server migration. You can always send a PM to the webmaster, Robert & Echo, and ask.
 
Rhonda Kay said:
Tiggers is on Lantus insulin.
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OOH! Good insulin.
And you definitely want to go over to the Lantus ISG and read through all the "Sticky" posts at the top of the forum over there.

A bit of "Homework" for you, but sometimes what we need to do to help our cats better.
 
Deb & Wink said:
OOH! Good insulin.
And you definitely want to go over to the Lantus ISG and read through all the "Sticky" posts at the top of the forum over there.

A bit of "Homework" for you, but sometimes what we need to do to help our cats better.
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Yes! Lot's of homework to do. :D I started working the day shift today so will be working on entering my information as I get time.
 
I am confused...(normal!) I use TR protocol so I'm not understanding the spreadsheet as I don't shoot according to the clock (2x/day) but shoot according to the numbers. Maybe the thoughts on this have changed? Not sure how to enter my numbers after the 12 hour mark.
 
Rhonda Kay said:
I am confused...(normal!)
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Perfectly normal. It's a lot to get your head around.

You pick a time in your work/life/responsibilities that works best for you. Lantus (any insulin really) is best dosed on a 12 hour cycle, twice a day. (There are always exceptions to the general guidelines.)

For one person, their test/feed/shoot schedule may be 5 am and 5 pm. For someone else, it may be 9 am and 9 pm. The + hour format helps us to understand how many hours after your pre-shot test you are along in the 12 hour dosing cycle. We live all over the world, so having to convert your local time to our local time can get confusing. It's why the + hour system was developed. You are counting the hours since your pre-shot test. +1 is 1 hour after, +2 is 2 hours after, etc......................... There is a AM and PM cycle to each 24 hour dosing period.

Not sure how to enter my numbers after the 12 hour mark.
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Numbers for the AM 12 hour cycle go on the left hand side of the SS. AMPS is your morning pre-shot test. Next 11 hours in that cycle go in the columns labeled +1 to +11. PMPS is your evening pre-shot test. Next 11 hours of that PM cycle go in the right hand side of the spreadsheet, after the U column.

Make sense?

Clock time has nothing to do with how you enter your numbers on the SS. It's a simple "grid" for holding the BG readings. It is a standardized, color coded format that the more experienced people can look at and "interpret". Helps us look for patterns and inconsistencies.

This link helps explain the SS Understanding the Spreadsheet/Grid
 
Even with TR you only shoot insulin 2 times a day. (TR or Tight Regulation is for Lantus/Levimir and biosimilars ONLY).

DO NOT use TR with the in-and-out insulins like Prozinc, Vetsulin/Caninsulin, NPH. They have their own dosing protocols here.

p.s. Added that comment Rhonda because there are a lot of people that "lurk" here, reading other threads and posts and try to dose on their own. They don't understand that there are differences with the different insulins. Trying to keep cats safe here.
 
Ok, I get what your saying but I am used to TR. Do you guys not follow that anymore? Tigger sometimes goes much longer than 12 hours without needing a shot, sometimes more than 24 hours. I don't shoot if his numbers are less than 150 as I don't want him hypo obviously. My numbers don't fit into the sheet...
I guess I need to know what to do from here. Maybe need to change from TR to 2x/day. Anything to do the best for my boy! :)
I appreciate the help!! Thank you so much!
 
Thanks again. Yes, this is totally different than what I was taught when I was here before. I did 12 dosing in the beginning when he was first diagnosed and came home to him being almost dead. So I need to do a lot of homework and will get to reading the info and try to figure out what I need to change.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Which welcome email is that?
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This is the email. It didn't work with Edge which is what I normally use, so I tried it in Chrome and it worked.
Below is the email.

Welcome to Feline Diabetes Message Board - FDMB
Hello Rhonda Kay,

Welcome to the Feline Diabetes Message Board (FDMB). You are joining a community with an expansive knowledge base regarding feline diabetes (FD) and numerous members dedicated to helping each other.

Your first post should be on the Main Health Forum which is accessed here:
www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/forums/feline-health-welcome-main-forum.28

The Main Health Forum is where you will learn the basics like general feline diabetes information, feeding your cat, hometesting (if you are not already doing so), and tracking your cat’s blood glucose levels.

We ask the subject line of your first post contain the date and “New Member” along with any other title you’d like to add so we can ensure your first post is addressed.

To further help you as you start out, we suggest you read the following posts:

How to Use the FDMB:
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/how-to-use-the-fdmb-the-basics.130682 New? How You Can Help Us Help You:
www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/new-how-you-can-help-us-help-you.216696

Index, Health Links, and Frequently Asked FD Questions:
www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/index-health-links-faqs.194624

Again, welcome! Ask questions and thank you for allowing us to join you and your kitty on your FD journey.
 
I've let the webmaster know about that welcoming email not working in Edge browser. You are the first person to report an issue.
 
We aren't called advisors here. Simply other members helping other members.

Maybe "Helpers" would be a good term? Or "assistants"? or "minions"?:p:D:joyful:

"Minion" is what one of my fellow bird banders calls someone else at the banding station. But it has a negative connotation and could be offensive to some.
 
Rhonda --

When were you first a member of FDMB? I've been here since 2009. With Lantus, TR was always a twice a day dose, every 12 hours. We based the minor modifications of the TR Protocol on the published articles which are linked in the dosing methods sticky..

By any chance were you using Prozinc previously? If so, it's possible that you were following Elizaeth Hodgekin's TR method. We do not use her methods as the way she adapted TR from Prozinc to Lantus has been hugely problematic.
 
Deb & Wink said:
We aren't called advisors here. Simply other members helping other members.

Maybe "Helpers" would be a good term? Or "assistants"? or "minions"?:p:D:joyful:

"Minion" is what one of my fellow bird banders calls someone else at the banding station. But it has a negative connotation and could be offensive to some.
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I don't know what is going on...I thought I was on this board but maybe not? I had an adviser named Barb and we followed Dr Hodgkins TR Protocol which was working very well for long time. I'm trying to figure out a starting dose doing it this way. Tigger is 10 pounds (4.5 kg) so looks like 1.125u for minimum 5 days before adjusting? (according to the dosing method sticky) I couldn't shoot this morning before leaving for work because he was to low so he might have high numbers when I get home. Does this TR do a static dose or sliding scale. This way of doing it is different from what I am used to so please don't think I'm being rude. I'm reading all the sticky notes and trying to figure this out before I leave work as I have limited access to internet at home.
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
Rhonda --

When were you first a member of FDMB? I've been here since 2009. With Lantus, TR was always a twice a day dose, every 12 hours. We based the minor modifications of the TR Protocol on the published articles which are linked in the dosing methods sticky..

By any chance were you using Prozinc previously? If so, it's possible that you were following Elizaeth Hodgekin's TR method. We do not use her methods as the way she adapted TR from Prozinc to Lantus has been hugely problematic.
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I think it was in 2014? I'm starting to think I was on a different forum as everything is so different.
I really like the spreadsheet used here and how the patterns are easier to see!
Yes, I am using Hodgkins TR protocol. I've only used Lantus and never shot by the clock, only when he needed a shot.
 
We don't use the Hodgkins TR protocol here. That is another feline diabetes group.

Rhonda Kay said:
Does this TR do a static dose or sliding scale.
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Neither.

It's an adaptation from the original Roomp & Rand Lantus protocol developed by the German Diabetes-Katzen Forum. with the assistance of members of that forum and Dr Jackie Rand, vet out of the University of Queensland. That original R&R protocol was Vet journal published, unlike the Hodgkins protocol. Which was simply Hodgkins personal feelings and ideas on using PZI bovine insulin. Which is very difficult to get anymore. Prozinc has supplanted it as have Lantus and Levimir.

Her protocol looks pretty outdated to me. Talking about diet being the cause of feline diabetes, since dis-proven. It may be one factor, but not shown to be "the cause".

We have helped over 430+ cats go into remission using Lantus insulin. Not sure how many other members we have helped to get their cats in remission using other insulins.

Hope you decide to stay.:)
 
Please do not use the Hodgekins' version of TR. Given her thoughts about not ever using high carb food to steer low numbers, there have been disasters using her method, especially with Lantus. Cats have died from symptomatic hypoglycemic episodes. As Deb pointed out, we have had considerable success with the methods we use here. The Lantus TR Protocol used here was developed by the German Lantus forum (Kirsten Roomp is a researcher and the originator of that discussion board and worked with Jacqui Rand, DVM to develop and test the method.) The German board has been equally successful at getting cats into remission.
 
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