? Raw/ home made food - dosing and nutritional value

[Marina & Chico]

Dear all,

We started cooking for Chico raw / home made food based on this recipe. Is there someone else who uses this one or a similar one and could help us with the dosing and nutritional value?

On this page the recommended dosage is 4-6 ounces (113 - 140g) per day, on another source we found that it should be 3-3.5% of the cat body weight, which for Chico would mean 165 - 190g. We used to give him more wet food (based on the brand recommendation) and this seems to be much less. How do we determine if this is the correct amount?
Additionally it would be nice to understand the nutritional value in term of carbs and fat. How can we do that?

Thank you all very much for your help and experience,
Marina & Chico

 

[SashaV]

Hi Marina

I'd recommend you start out slowly. You can always adjust the amount later.
I gave 25g pr kg, so she went from 5.2kg to 8kg
So from underweight to serious obesity in a few months.... so be careful and don't be afraid to adjust as you go.
The amount might seem small, but cats absorb almost 100% of it, reducing the waste in the litter box, so don't be worried if Chico doesn't poop every day

 

[Marina & Chico]

Hi Marina

I'd recommend you start out slowly. You can always adjust the amount later.
I gave 25g pr kg, so she went from 5.2kg to 8kg
So from underweight to serious obesity in a few months.... so be careful and don't be afraid to adjust as you go.
The amount might seem small, but cats absorb almost 100% of it, reducing the waste in the litter box, so don't be worried if Chico doesn't poop every day

ohhhh, 25g/kg is much less than what we want to give him we started with 31g/kg

we started yesterday with 1/4 of a daily dose, today we want to give him 1/2 of the daily dose and maybe tomorrow 1/2 again.

 

[SashaV]

ohhhh, 25g/kg is much less than what we want to give him we started with 31g/kg

we started yesterday with 1/4 of a daily dose, today we want to give him 1/2 of the daily dose and maybe tomorrow 1/2 again.

Just keep an eye on his weight.
My other cat gets double the amount and is maintaining his weight, so just keep an eye on his weight and adjust the amount accordingly

 

[Marina & Chico]

Just keep an eye on his weight.
My other cat gets double the amount and is maintaining his weight, so just keep an eye on his weight and adjust the amount accordingly

how do you weight them? on a human scale with and without you or you have a scale for them?

 

[SashaV]

how do you weight them? on a human scale with and without you or you have a scale for them?

I use a babyscale. But any is fine.

 

[Marina & Chico]

I use a babyscale. But any is fine.

i just weighted him, he gained 0.4 kg since last visit at the vet it might be as well due to the fact that at the vet he was for 4 hours without food but now he is in the active part of the cycle... will try again later

can you please tell me how long do you feed raw, what recipe do you use and what meats do you give?

Thanks in advance for your answer

 

[SashaV]

i just weighted him, he gained 0.4 kg since last visit at the vet it might be as well due to the fact that at the vet he was for 4 hours without food but now he is in the active part of the cycle... will try again later

can you please tell me how long do you feed raw, what recipe do you use and what meats do you give?

Thanks in advance for your answer

No need to try again later. Choose a day and time and stick to it, and weigh him once a week. My day is Tuesday right before her AM shot. I've fed raw since last summer, I tried the homemade a Danish recipe and she gained weight like an idiot. Now I'm using Mush Barf a comple diet in 25g balls I just take out of the freezer and serve after a few hours in the fridge. Doesn't get any easier than that

 

[Marina & Chico]

No need to try again later. Choose a day and time and stick to it, and weigh him once a week. My day is Tuesday right before her AM shot. I've fed raw since last summer, I tried the homemade a Danish recipe and she gained weight like an idiot. Now I'm using Mush Barf a comple diet in 25g balls I just take out of the freezer and serve after a few hours in the fridge. Doesn't get any easier than that

you have raw commercial options? you are soo lucky, there are no commercial raw options around us so we have to actually cook

 

[Marina & Chico]

No need to try again later. Choose a day and time and stick to it, and weigh him once a week. My day is Tuesday right before her AM shot. I've fed raw since last summer, I tried the homemade a Danish recipe and she gained weight like an idiot. Now I'm using Mush Barf a comple diet in 25g balls I just take out of the freezer and serve after a few hours in the fridge. Doesn't get any easier than that

so we started weighing Chico i dont know why we didn't do it before he lost 200g in one week, which is not bad per say (we want him to lose weight) but it would be nice to know that we can control it. I understand it is an iteration process but we are not certain in what increments to start iterating. I am thinking 5g more per day (we give him 172g per day). How much do you change the amount by?

 

[SashaV]

so we started weighing Chico i dont know why we didn't do it before he lost 200g in one week, which is not bad per say (we want him to lose weight) but it would be nice to know that we can control it. I understand it is an iteration process but we are not certain in what increments to start iterating. I am thinking 5g more per day (we give him 172g per day). How much do you change the amount by?

Where are you from Marina?
200g is too much. I'd talk to your vet, if I were you. I have permission for Mauer to loose 100g a week, since she's that obese. Or wait, keep an eye on his weight on the same day, register if he has peed and pooped before, it has a lot to say!
I'm not weighing Mauers food. But of raw she get 50g.

 

[Marina & Chico]

Where are you from Marina?
200g is too much. I'd talk to your vet, if I were you. I have permission for Mauer to loose 100g a week, since she's that obese. Or wait, keep an eye on his weight on the same day, register if he has peed and pooped before, it has a lot to say!
I'm not weighing Mauers food. But of raw she get 50g.

We are in Czech republic

He gained 400g in the previous few weeks, we know losing weight it might be a bad sign but for now we are not worried because he seems to be a bit more hungry and that he would like to have more food.

We will weight him today at the vet so we can compare with Friday as well and decide based on that.

its good to know that 200 is too much for a week thought, i should have asked that on Friday already

 

[SashaV]

We are in Czech republic

He gained 400g in the previous few weeks, we know losing weight it might be a bad sign but for now we are not worried because he seems to be a bit more hungry and that he would like to have more food.

We will weight him today at the vet so we can compare with Friday as well and decide based on that.

its good to know that 200 is too much for a week thought, i should have asked that on Friday already

Darn, your English is awesome. I was convinced you were English
Then you have commercial raw foods too!

 

[Marina & Chico]

Now i won't stop obsessing abt it
I just weighted him (which doesn't have to be representative since it is +3 after AM shot) but he is 5.7kg, last Friday he was 5.6kg at PMPS. At least we know he is not losing more weight. We will probably have to increase the amount of food anyhow...

Darn, your English is awesome. I was convinced you were English
Then you have commercial raw foods too!

haha thanks )) are you Danish? cause I would not be able to tell by your English as well

where did you find commercial raw foods here? i found for dogs but i couldn't find anything for cats :-?

 

[SashaV]

Dresden and Deggendorf, and Hof has too, all in Germany but close to the border. Poland makes a lot of raw too, and many shops from Das Tierhotel too. If they got raw for dogs, they have for cats too, or can get it!

I've learned a LOT from being forced to write in English to get help
In Denmark raw is called barf. So I thought it was the same in English... until I realized people thought I was feeding my cats with vomit

 

[Marina & Chico]

Dresden and Deggendorf, and Hof has too, all in Germany but close to the border. Poland makes a lot of raw too, and many shops from Das Tierhotel too. If they got raw for dogs, they have for cats too, or can get it!

Great ideas, thanks a lot, i will look more thoroughly into it. We want to try novel proteins and the problem with cooking it is finding liver from the "novel protein source", so this might be a lifesaver.

I've learned a LOT from being forced to write in English to get help

Well then you did a great job

In Denmark raw is called barf. So I thought it was the same in English... until I realized people thought I was feeding my cats with vomit

hahaha

 

[SashaV]

https://www.barfcb.cz/barf/

https://www.haustierkost.eu/cat/barf-feeding-for-cats/fertigbarf-fuer-katzen.html

Lots of options
If you have a Czech Facebook raw feeding group there's probably a lot of information!
Most of the dog food contains carbs added rice, corn and so on. So with a little knowledge and choosing the pure meats possible adding some taurine it should be good.

 

[SashaV]

Great ideas, thanks a lot, i will look more thoroughly into it. We want to try novel proteins and the problem with cooking it is finding liver from the "novel protein source", so this might be a lifesaver.


Well then you did a great job


hahaha

Many buy the ingredients at das Tierhotel or haustierkost and make the rest themselves. But be aware of the fat content, that's where I made a huge mistake

 

[Marina & Chico]

https://www.barfcb.cz/barf/

https://www.haustierkost.eu/cat/barf-feeding-for-cats/fertigbarf-fuer-katzen.html

Lots of options
If you have a Czech Facebook raw feeding group there's probably a lot of information!
Most of the dog food contains carbs added rice, corn and so on. So with a little knowledge and choosing the pure meats possible adding some taurine it should be good.

i tried to find a fb group for pets but i wasn't successful, maybe i just didn't use the correct key words. I will try again
i will check both pages that you sent

The Barf in CZ is the on that i found and they market it as for dogs only that's when i gave up... but this barfcb is a different page, i clearly gave up too early

 

[SashaV]

i tried to find a fb group for pets but i wasn't successful, maybe i just didn't use the correct key words. I will try again
i will check both pages that you sent

The Barf in CZ is the on that i found and they market it as for dogs only that's when i gave up... but this barfcb is a different page, i clearly gave up too early

Sometimes new eyes is needed
If you find a local raw shop, pop in and hear if they have something for cats. Often it's the same, just different amounts and pieces of the animal

 

[Ann & Scatcats]

Hi @Marina & Chico

Concerning Each Component's Nutritional Value - You do your own Food Profiles with the help of the Governmental Sources for that. As The U.S Government's https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/?component=0 and Nordic Finland Governments www.fineli.fi

You'd think Hens, Chickens, Turkeys even have the same Protein % Value, and even the same Fatty Acid Chain numbers and % Values. But they don't.
That goes for simply everything.

Simply just taking a piece of paper and an ordinary pen and diligently punch in each meat type and write down each's Entire profiles, and once done, then compare them with eachother, is actually quiet simple. And Well Worth It so You have Full Control of what goes in, and then learn Human and Vet Med to see what it all becomes and goes to in the body. Think Healthy.

 

[Ann & Scatcats]

Great ideas, thanks a lot, i will look more thoroughly into it. We want to try novel proteins and the problem with cooking it is finding liver from the "novel protein source", so this might be a lifesaver.


Well then you did a great job


hahaha

You can easily substitute liver with raw egg yolks.

I'll show you why.


1 Raw Egg yolk vitamins - Weight in grams ?


folat, total 158.9 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
niacinekvivalenter 3.9 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
niacin (nikotinsyra+nikotinamid) < 0.1 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 146
pyridoxin vitamerer (hydroklorid) 0.40 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
riboflavin 0.52 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
tiamin (vitamin B1) 0.32 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin A RAE 871.8 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
karotenoider, totalt 1 674.7 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin B12 (kobalamin) 6.9 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 146
vitamin C (askorbinsyra) 0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin D 6.5 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin E, alfatokoferol 5.5 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin K, totalt 2.00 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 215


Minerals

kalcium 140.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
järn 5.3 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
jodid (jod) 109.6 µg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
kalium 120.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
magnesium 13.5 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
natrium 53.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
salt 135.0 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fosfor 540.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
selen 97.0 µg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
zink 5.3 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278


Fatty Acids

fettsyror, totalt 23.3 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, fleromättade 4.0 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, enkelomättade cis 11.4 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, mättade 7.7 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, trans 0 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, n-3 fleromättade 0.5 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, n-6 fleromättade 3.4 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyra 18:2 cis,cis n-6 (linolsyra) 2 961 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
fettsyra 18:3 n-3 (alfa-linolensyra) 188 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
fettsyra 20:5 n-3 (EPA) 0 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
fettsyra 22:6 n-3 (DHA) 346 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
kolesterol (GC) 1 260.0 mg överfört genom summering av analyserade resultat oavhängigt laboratorium 416
steroler, totalt 0 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL


Chicken liver - Weight in gram?

vitamins

folat, total 1 166.6 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
niacinekvivalenter 15.8 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
niacin (nikotinsyra+nikotinamid) 12.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 394
pyridoxin vitamerer (hydroklorid) 0.98 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
riboflavin 2.46 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
tiamin (vitamin B1) 0.20 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin A RAE 9 747.4 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
karotenoider, totalt 570.6 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin B12 (kobalamin) 21.0 µg beräknat producerat av THL
vitamin C (askorbinsyra) 20.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin D 0.2 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin E, alfatokoferol 0.3 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin K, totalt 0.40 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell


Minerals

kalcium 6.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
järn 8.3 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
jodid (jod) 3.0 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
kalium 360.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
magnesium 21.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
natrium 69.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
salt 175.8 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fosfor 390.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
selen 51.0 µg överfört av liknande livsmedel producerat av THL
zink 4.5 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391


There is of course turkey liver, beef liver, and even reindeer liver - but the real reason, Vet Lisa (and I know her in person) have liver in, and that is that it carries the various vitamines - but The Raw Egg yolks works just fine after what cats need in water, glucose and fat-tied vitamines, minerals, fatty acids.

 

[Wendy&Neko]

BARF = biologically appropriate raw food, we sometimes use that in English too.

Neko was around 6.3 kg, and got 125 g of raw a day. That was whether I bought commercially available or made my own with a premix. Some meats have higher calories that others, for example lamb or duck are fattier and higher calorie. Chicken thighs are higher than chicken breast. Venison, kangaroo are lower calorie. So when I made my own, I'd give her a little more, maybe 140 g if a lower fat meat.

 

[Marina & Chico]

Hi @Marina & Chico

Concerning Each Component's Nutritional Value - You do your own Food Profiles with the help of the Governmental Sources for that. As The U.S Government's https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/?component=0 and Nordic Finland Governments www.fineli.fi

You'd think Hens, Chickens, Turkeys even have the same Protein % Value, and even the same Fatty Acid Chain numbers and % Values. But they don't.
That goes for simply everything.

Simply just taking a piece of paper and an ordinary pen and diligently punch in each meat type and write down each's Entire profiles, and once done, then compare them with eachother, is actually quiet simple. And Well Worth It so You have Full Control of what goes in, and then learn Human and Vet Med to see what it all becomes and goes to in the body. Think Healthy.

these 2 are actually very good sources, thank you very much. i'll save them in Chico's spreadsheet and will try to make sense out of it when my brain is not dead tired hopefully during the weekend thank you again

 

[Marina & Chico]

You can easily substitute liver with raw egg yolks.

I'll show you why.


1 Raw Egg yolk vitamins - Weight in grams ?


folat, total 158.9 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
niacinekvivalenter 3.9 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
niacin (nikotinsyra+nikotinamid) < 0.1 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 146
pyridoxin vitamerer (hydroklorid) 0.40 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
riboflavin 0.52 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
tiamin (vitamin B1) 0.32 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin A RAE 871.8 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
karotenoider, totalt 1 674.7 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin B12 (kobalamin) 6.9 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 146
vitamin C (askorbinsyra) 0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin D 6.5 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin E, alfatokoferol 5.5 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin K, totalt 2.00 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 215


Minerals

kalcium 140.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
järn 5.3 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
jodid (jod) 109.6 µg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
kalium 120.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
magnesium 13.5 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
natrium 53.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
salt 135.0 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fosfor 540.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
selen 97.0 µg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
zink 5.3 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278


Fatty Acids

fettsyror, totalt 23.3 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, fleromättade 4.0 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, enkelomättade cis 11.4 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, mättade 7.7 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, trans 0 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, n-3 fleromättade 0.5 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyror, n-6 fleromättade 3.4 g summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fettsyra 18:2 cis,cis n-6 (linolsyra) 2 961 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
fettsyra 18:3 n-3 (alfa-linolensyra) 188 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
fettsyra 20:5 n-3 (EPA) 0 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
fettsyra 22:6 n-3 (DHA) 346 mg analyserat oavhängigt laboratorium 1278
kolesterol (GC) 1 260.0 mg överfört genom summering av analyserade resultat oavhängigt laboratorium 416
steroler, totalt 0 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL


Chicken liver - Weight in gram?

vitamins

folat, total 1 166.6 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
niacinekvivalenter 15.8 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
niacin (nikotinsyra+nikotinamid) 12.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 394
pyridoxin vitamerer (hydroklorid) 0.98 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
riboflavin 2.46 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
tiamin (vitamin B1) 0.20 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin A RAE 9 747.4 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
karotenoider, totalt 570.6 µg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin B12 (kobalamin) 21.0 µg beräknat producerat av THL
vitamin C (askorbinsyra) 20.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin D 0.2 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
vitamin E, alfatokoferol 0.3 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
vitamin K, totalt 0.40 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell


Minerals

kalcium 6.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
järn 8.3 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
jodid (jod) 3.0 µg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
kalium 360.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
magnesium 21.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
natrium 69.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
salt 175.8 mg summerat av delfaktorer producerat av THL
fosfor 390.0 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391
selen 51.0 µg överfört av liknande livsmedel producerat av THL
zink 4.5 mg annan typ av värde livsmedelstabell 391


There is of course turkey liver, beef liver, and even reindeer liver - but the real reason, Vet Lisa (and I know her in person) have liver in, and that is that it carries the various vitamines - but The Raw Egg yolks works just fine after what cats need in water, glucose and fat-tied vitamines, minerals, fatty acids.

Chico has sensitive Gi, i want to try to give him novelty protein, that's why i was thinking of finding liver from the same source with the protein so that i completely exclude chicken for a while to see how will he manage that. But it is a very good thing to know that i can replace the liver with egg yolk. Chico likes eggs

 

[Marina & Chico]

BARF = biologically appropriate raw food, we sometimes use that in English too.

Neko was around 6.3 kg, and got 125 g of raw a day. That was whether I bought commercially available or made my own with a premix. Some meats have higher calories that others, for example lamb or duck are fattier and higher calorie. Chicken thighs are higher than chicken breast. Venison, kangaroo are lower calorie. So when I made my own, I'd give her a little more, maybe 140 g if a lower fat meat.

I'm such a beginner at this that i didn't even think about the different calorie intake in different sources of meat thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Chico is 5.7kg, we give him 174g per day and he lost 200g in 1 week (maybe some was caused by stool but still weight loss). i was thinking it's impossible to compare raw grinded food, since just the amount of added water will play an important role in the amount of food needed

 

[Ann & Scatcats]

I'm such a beginner at this that i didn't even think about the different calorie intake in different sources of meat thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Chico is 5.7kg, we give him 174g per day and he lost 200g in 1 week (maybe some was caused by stool but still weight loss). i was thinking it's impossible to compare raw grinded food, since just the amount of added water will play an important role in the amount of food needed

Marina, in all un-cooked meats, even veggies, there is Naturally 65-70 % Water in it all. Naturally. Even in you yourself too.
That stays the same in un-cooked raw grinded meats, and veggies, too.
Just The Basic Nature Science Fact.

But with that in mind, beware of that the food stores DO inject w a t e r into the pieces of meats, so it makes them w e i g h more, and charge the price on that big cheat.


Another True Story too. In Sweden, Us Professional Riders on Horses, whether we are us Iberian Rejeanadors On Horseback Real Bull Fighters, or the American Quarter horses with the 'Cow Sense' Herd Cutting job, NO Swedish Cow Farmer allows us to train all this with their Bulls .... because just by us on Horse, Jogging these Swedish Bull Slaughter Farmers Bulls around a little, those farmers say their Bulls lose too much in Slaughter Weight then ....
But they actually just temporarly lose water.


You'll find something that works in the end.

 

[Bron and Sheba (GA)]

I feed a raw home made diet to my cats.
I have never heard that liver can be replaced with egg and I would be very cautious in doing that.
I feed raw egg yoke and liver. I have not seen any recipe which says you can substitute liver with egg.
A raw diet needs 5% liver in it.

I think as far as how much to feed is an individual thing. One of my cats weighs 4.2 Kg and eats 150 grams a day to maintain that weight. The other one weighs 5.7kg and eats 120 grams. Any more and he puts on weight easily.

 

[Ann & Scatcats]

@Marina & Chico Do you want me to go through your Official Tjeckian Government Sources and Universities and ask if egg yolks can substitute 5 % liver in any diet? Here is your Embassy in Sweden https://www.mzv.cz/stockholm .

Diet is Short For - Did I Eat That! I have a magnet saying that on my fridge since long


Here Marina, is your Direct link to Your Own Tjeckian Government Ministry of Agriculture, so you can look for the Equivalent to Our Finnish www.fineli.fi per Above http://eagri.cz/public/web/en/mze/

I have of course indeed met Your Tjeckian Companies on several Global World Market Business Fairs. That's what WE do, Us in Those Professions.

 

[Bron and Sheba (GA)]

Chico has sensitive Gi, i want to try to give him novelty protein, that's why i was thinking of finding liver from the same source with the protein so that i completely exclude chicken for a while to see how will he manage that

One of my cats can't eat chicken because of GI upsets. I use lambs liver for her.

 

[Ann & Scatcats]

@Marina & Chico High Quality Raw Beef filet Tartar - with 1 Raw Egg yolk

https://hotorgshallen.se/recept/råbiff-a-la-angie/

Very few Mammal Death Causes are from not eating liver. Just so you have that in mind.

 

[Gill & George]

@Marina & Chico Do you want me to go through your Official Tjeckian Government Sources and Universities and ask if egg yolks can substitute 5 % liver in any diet? Here is your Embassy in Sweden https://www.mzv.cz/stockholm .

Diet is Short For - Did I Eat That! I have a magnet saying that on my fridge since long


Here Marina, is your Direct link to Your Own Tjeckian Government Ministry of Agriculture, so you can look for the Equivalent to Our Finnish www.fineli.fi per Above http://eagri.cz/public/web/en/mze/

I have of course indeed met Your Tjeckian Companies on several Global World Market Business Fairs. That's what WE do, Us in Those Professions.

Off the top of my head.
I don't think that for a cat, you can directly substitute egg yolk for liver in a given recipe without making another adjustment, egg yolks do not contain taurine, an essential amino acid for cats, so removing the liver from Dr Lisa's recipe and substituting with egg yolk you would need to take this into account and add taurine some where else.

 

[Marina & Chico]

One of my cats can't eat chicken because of GI upsets. I use lambs liver for her.

Up until now i wasn't able to find rabbit nor turkey liver, i understand it takes a bit more digging and i will do that

Did her GI issue start with time or it was there from the beginning? i am still not certain Chico is affected by chicken but i guess we will only find that out by excluding it

 

[Marina & Chico]

@Marina & Chico Do you want me to go through your Official Tjeckian Government Sources and Universities and ask if egg yolks can substitute 5 % liver in any diet? Here is your Embassy in Sweden https://www.mzv.cz/stockholm .

Diet is Short For - Did I Eat That! I have a magnet saying that on my fridge since long


Here Marina, is your Direct link to Your Own Tjeckian Government Ministry of Agriculture, so you can look for the Equivalent to Our Finnish www.fineli.fi per Above http://eagri.cz/public/web/en/mze/

I have of course indeed met Your Tjeckian Companies on several Global World Market Business Fairs. That's what WE do, Us in Those Professions.

Thank you Ann for all the resources, this seems to be my next research level material, but i am sure i will get there

 

[Marina & Chico]

Off the top of my head.
I don't think that for a cat, you can directly substitute egg yolk for liver in a given recipe without making another adjustment, egg yolks do not contain taurine, an essential amino acid for cats, so removing the liver from Dr Lisa's recipe and substituting with egg yolk you would need to take this into account and add taurine some where else.

I am not ready to improvise with my own recipes yet so we won't be trying to replace the liver with yolk at lest not for now thank you for the care and the information

 

[Bron and Sheba (GA)]

Up until now i wasn't able to find rabbit nor turkey liver, i understand it takes a bit more digging and i will do that
Did her GI issue start with time or it was there from the beginning? i am still not certain Chico is affected by chicken but i guess we will only find that out by excluding it

I think she probably started to have loose poops around a year old. She is now almost 4. Not all the time but often enough. So I tried eliminating different meats and chicken seemed to be the one that caused the most issues so then I had to get rid of the chicken heart and chicken livers. She seemed fine with lamb so I chose lamb liver and kidney and heart. She gets lamb, kangaroo and beef as the muscle meat, as well as egg yoke and sardines. I had eliminated pork as well but am reintroducing it at the moment to see if she can have that as well.

 

[SashaV]

Up until now i wasn't able to find rabbit nor turkey liver, i understand it takes a bit more digging and i will do that

Did her GI issue start with time or it was there from the beginning? i am still not certain Chico is affected by chicken but i guess we will only find that out by excluding it

I'm sure it's on das tierhotel.. specially rabbit. I have a simple Danish recipe I can translate for you, only requires chicken as the basic ingredients, the rest can me chicken too.

 

[Marina & Chico]

I think she probably started to have loose poops around a year old. She is now almost 4. Not all the time but often enough. So I tried eliminating different meats and chicken seemed to be the one that caused the most issues so then I had to get rid of the chicken heart and chicken livers. She seemed fine with lamb so I chose lamb liver and kidney and heart. She gets lamb, kangaroo and beef as the muscle meat, as well as egg yoke and sardines. I had eliminated pork as well but am reintroducing it at the moment to see if she can have that as well.

So sorry the little one is sensitive to chicken but it is nice that you caught it so early on.

i finally found turkey liver i guess this will be our next try for other meats i still have to find recipes for bone, liver proportions...

 

[tiffmaxee]

Chico has sensitive Gi, i want to try to give him novelty protein, that's why i was thinking of finding liver from the same source with the protein so that i completely exclude chicken for a while to see how will he manage that. But it is a very good thing to know that i can replace the liver with egg yolk. Chico likes eggs

I feed my girls venison. I feed a commercial brand but if I were to make my own I found venison liver treats. You want to stick with one protein if doing a novel protein. Good luck with the food trial and yes liver is necessary. You can’t substitute egg yoke for it.

 

[Marina & Chico]

I feed my girls venison. I feed a commercial brand but if I were to make my own I found venison liver treats. You want to stick with one protein if doing a novel protein. Good luck with the food trial and yes liver is necessary. You can’t substitute egg yoke for it.

Thank you We will change to turkey (already found liver) and then to rabbit. This will be abt a month for trial, enough time to research other meat options

 

[Marina & Chico]

I'm sure it's on das tierhotel.. specially rabbit. I have a simple Danish recipe I can translate for you, only requires chicken as the basic ingredients, the rest can me chicken too.

If you can send me the recipe in danish i will use google translate thanks

i still didnt look on das tierhotel but it is on my to do list

 

[Marina & Chico]

I think she probably started to have loose poops around a year old. She is now almost 4. Not all the time but often enough. So I tried eliminating different meats and chicken seemed to be the one that caused the most issues so then I had to get rid of the chicken heart and chicken livers. She seemed fine with lamb so I chose lamb liver and kidney and heart. She gets lamb, kangaroo and beef as the muscle meat, as well as egg yoke and sardines. I had eliminated pork as well but am reintroducing it at the moment to see if she can have that as well.

So sorry she is sensitive to chicken but it is good you intervened so early on thats a very diverse diet your kitties have
Beef i think is smth we should add to Chicos diet as well later on. Beef or other red meat

 

[SashaV]

If you can send me the recipe in danish i will use google translate thanks

i still didnt look on das tierhotel but it is on my to do list

You scared of my bad history with numbers? Haha got ya!

 

[Bron and Sheba (GA)]

So sorry she is sensitive to chicken but it is good you intervened so early on thats a very diverse diet your kitties have
Beef i think is smth we should add to Chicos diet as well later on. Beef or other red meat

My other kitty Harry won’t touch kangaroo, it makes him vomit. He is given chicken, pork, beef, lamb and giblets.(I think you call them gizzards in the US) as his muscle meats and of course the egg yoke, sardines, liver, kidney and heart .

 

[Marina & Chico]

My other kitty Harry won’t touch kangaroo, it makes him vomit. He is given chicken, pork, beef, lamb and giblets.(I think you call them gizzards in the US) as his muscle meats and of course the egg yoke, sardines, liver, kidney and heart .

Isn’t hearts considered as muscle as well? Do you give full giblets or grinded? I read somewhere that they are specialy good for teeth cleaning.

 

[Marina & Chico]

You scared of my bad history with numbers? Haha got ya!

I didnt know you were bad with numbers, now i am scared )))
Just wouldnt want to take too much of your time

 

[SashaV]

I didnt know you were bad with numbers, now i am scared )))
Just wouldnt want to take too much of your time

I'm absolutely horrible with numbers. I got 5% carb of something that was 21%.
I'm the source of much fun, regarding numbers, math and...anything with numbers.
So I couldn't steal the recipe from FB, but I've got in a email now. To adults, kittens, different meat types and what's organs and what's not. Could you PM me your email? Then I'll send it to you in a jiffy
It's a PDF but you can copy paste from it

 

[SashaV]

Isn’t hearts considered as muscle as well? Do you give full giblets or grinded? I read somewhere that they are specialy good for teeth cleaning.

That's exactly what I was supposed to tell you, from the owner of the recipe. Heart is muscle meat and not organ, but a great source of taurine.