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Tiger-Hobo

Tiger-Hobo

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Hello Everybody, some of you might remember me, as a not often poster and asking member. I usually posted when I was hopeless, in treble or didn't know what I am doing. In the past couple months I couldn't even log in for several reasons but I checked in every second day and definitely read the post of my favor 4-5 members. Oven a week I thinking to post not to post and ask your opinion or not. now I am here, and please give your suggestion, opinion, experience or just kick me on my head for my silly thoughts and questions. I will appreciate all.
So, as you know I have kangaroo my sweet diabetic kitty. Unfortunately in the past couple weeks some of my other kitties were diagnosed with IBD and CKD . Till now at feeding time Kangaroo was eating in the living room till the rest of the gang was locked in the bedrooms. now since I have 2IBD and 3 CKD kitties this system is not working. I know lots of you have had kitties with similar illnesses and some has all. My question is what kind/brand of can food would fit for all (if any) so I do not have to watch them who eats what. What brand you might used and worked. If I got some, I could buy and try them out. They are all fussy and used to eat dry commercial food, ( they were addicted to it) now off from dry but still like the yucky can food.
Also I am not sure where I red it, but I did find a called "Wild calling" - Buffalo can - food but I can't find in any of the food list how its carb and phosphorus level. My IBD kitty crazy about it. Any of you know familiar with this brand of can food?

My last question. I bought a B50 complex vitamin at Costco - use as a supplement for my kitties? Now I have second thought. Is any of you know is that safe and how much I should give daily / weekly? as a supportive supplement.
Sorry for the long novel, and thanks for your help
 
My ex's cat has ibd and ckd and she does well on wellness turkey grain free (previously a dry food addict). When she comes to visit I feed her and my diet controlled cat this and it works out well.
 
If you google Tanya's CRD website you will find a lot of information about CRD (or CKD).... Feeding ....what food to give and what to avoid, supplements including vitamin B, tests and what they mean. It is a wonderful site and also has a support group if you wanted to join to find out more about CKD.
Good luck
 
Thanks for both of you for the fast reply.
Lisa - I use the wellness turkey and chicken with Kangaroo but he gets tired with it pretty often then I turn to FF. FF higher in phosphorus so wouldn't good for my 3 CKD kitties and I don't think is good for IBD.
Bron - thanks for the suggestion, I know her website, what I would like to know what those the brands what would work for all three illnesses. I know some of the member's kitty has Diabetes, CKD and IBD all together. I was hopping they could give some food suggestion.

Thanks to both of you again.
 
Try the Weruva.com website. It is good quality canned cat food and is low phosphorus. The website has all the amounts of carbs, protein,phosphorus etc of all the food. Not sure if you can buy it in Canada though. 'cats in the kitchen' Weruva is very good and I use it for my cat who has diabetes and early CRD, although I mainly feed home prepared diet and add some Weruva
Tanya's website has a very good list of suitable foods for CRD cats.
I give my cat Vit B and fish oil every day. With the Vit B I give 2x50 mg tablets per one Kgm of food fed ( that is for home prepared diet.) It works out to just under quarter tablet a meal for my cat and she weighs 6 kilograms. It is very good to give with CRD cats as it is a water soluble vitamin and gets peed out when the cat pees a lot so the cats needs extra....very important in preventing other problems arising from the CRD
I would encourage you to join the support group at the Tanya site. It is very easy to join and they have expert people there who can tell you heaps about the diet, supplements etc.

Also Google Astro's Oil. It is supposed to be very good for CRD cats.
 
Tiger-Hobo said:
Also I am not sure where I red it, but I did find a called "Wild calling" - Buffalo can - food but I can't find in any of the food list how its carb and phosphorus level. My IBD kitty crazy about it. Any of you know familiar with this brand of can food?
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Sorry it took me a while to respond. I actually have the nutritional breakdown on the Wild Calling foods from the company - just had to dig them up and wasn't sure where I'd filed them. They are fairly low carb (all less than 2%), but I'm not sure how to interpret the phosphorous levels, since they provide everything as percentages of the total (See attached for the numbers). If anyone knows how to get an estimate on total amounts of phosphorous from these percentages, that'd be great to know. They seem to be good quality foods.

If in doubt, go to their website, find the contact us email, and ask. They were quite good at getting back to me within a few days when I'd emailed to ask about the carb content of their foods.
 

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Hi Susanna - I do remember you. Scritches to Kangaroo from me. One of our members, @Ann & Tess has compiled a list of low carb/low phosphorus foods. It's on Tess's SS. That will give you a short list to start with for FD and CKD. There are some unique protein foods on there if you are looking at that for the IBD kitties.

FYI - the Friskies Special Diet foods are not available in Canada.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
FYI - the Friskies Special Diet foods are not available in Canada.
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Craziness, but good to know. There's already talk of a underground US/Canadian cat food smuggling ring on another thread. Apparently, there will be some upcoming changes in Canadian import laws that will effect some US cat foods being available in Canada.
 
I can't help with the foods necessarily but, my previous cat was a CRF cat (no diabetes though). He got prescription food for that but, later on, I realized that it wasn't always the best and he wouldn't eat much of it. I later learned that it's not really the protein levels as much as the phosphorous levels that a CRF cat needs to watch. Vets often sell you foods that are low in protein rather than phosphorous levels and that can sometimes cause a problem with a diabetic cat because the carb levels are higher. There's a lot of conflict over it.
We did find that once we got his kidneys working better, the IBD issue was more under control.
Now, I'm not sure but, it seems that the better the source of protein and staying lower than 1% phosphorous (dry matter analysis) is what to aim for. I don't know of a formula for it but, I do know that calling the manufacturer's 1-800 toll free numbers and asking for the DRY MATTER ANALYSIS on their phosphorous levels is what I had to do. Unfortunately, just as I was learning this trick, he passed away at over 18 years of age due to something else unrelated to the kidney issues...likely just old age and body had enough. They never did figure it out.
I wish that I could be of more help but, I say...check the food lists that members are providing and try calling the companies themselves for a Dry Matter Analysis on the phosphorous levels.
Sometimes, when too much is going on...and we can't get optimal foods for one thing...we have to control what we can and not what we can't. Even when we can find the perfect numbers for everything...they won't eat it. The MAIN thing with a CKR cat with IBS AND Diabetes is to get them to eat..even if the numbers aren't perfect.
My suggestion would be to find a food that your kitty will eat with a good source of protein that brings the IBS under control and the diabetes and aim for as close to the 1% phosphorous as possible, providing enough water all over your home for kitty to get to. If Kitty has diarehia or is vomiting...that's depleting the body and the kidneys and upsetting the diabetes.
Just try your best but, realize that there's only so much that we can do to control everything. There has to be a "mid point" where it's working for you and your kitty.
Don't beat yourself up if you can't get perfect numbers for it all.
And, one last thing. You *might* want to try an animal nutritionist. It might be worth the cost of a consult.
Just sending you good wishes! (And, by the way, I'm in Toronto so, being Canadian...we do not have the number of foods available to us that the U.S. does...which makes it even harder to deal with. At one point, I was thinking of making "home made" and I still may go to that...though not idea or convenient....thinking that I may have to supplement with other foods when I can't do it. I know the frustration too.)

Oh...as to your question about the B50 complex...here is a list of the B vitamins and C and the per kilogram doses for cats. Sorry that I can't do the math for you as I don't know kitty's weight BUT...there ARE vet versions that might be more suitable in doses and you might want to get your cat tested for B vitamin levels before supplementing but, if you can't afford it...this might help?

Vitamin C Not required, synthesized in the liver of healthy cats Citrus fruits and vegetables Slowed healing, increased susceptibility to disease(?)
Vitamin B1(Thiamin) .01 mg/lb. Plants, fruit, vegetables, milk, meat Loss of appetite, loss of reflexes, loss of nerve control, weakness
Niacin .12 mg/lb. Meat, meat by-products Loss of appetite and weight, inflamed gums, hemorrhagic diarrhea
Vitamin B2(Riboflavin) .05 mg/lb. Organ meats and dairy products Poor growth, eye abnormalities, heart failure
Vitamin B5(Pantothenic Acid) .1 mg/lb. Meats and vegetables Hair loss, diarrhea, premature graying
Vitamin B6(Pyridoxine) .01 mg/lb. Found in most foods, damaged during processing Anemia, poor growth, skin lesions
Folic Acid .002 mg/lb. Organ meats Hypoplasia of bone marrow, macrocytic anemia
Vitamin B12(Cyanocobalamin,
cobalamin) .00025 mg/lb. Organ meats, animal sources Macrocytic anemia
Biotin .001 mg/lb. Corn, soybeans, beef liver Poor hair, dry skin, diarrhea
Vitamin C

Vitamin C has long been considered the cure for the common cold in humans. In pets, it has been thought to prevent hip dysplasia, cure feline leukemia, and prevent urinary tract infections. We doubt that its use will prevent a dog that genetically carries the trait of hip dysplasia from developing this condition. However, we have worked with several animals that had clinical hip dysplasia, that when given high levels of vitamin C, seemed to exhibit fewer signs of joint pain. It did not cure the condition, but it did seem to allow the patient to better live with the problem.
 
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Thanks to all of you the great and extremely useful information.

Bron- I tried different kind of Weruva cans but our kitties just looked at me, even those little “pigs’ who eats anything and they eyes said “are you planning to poison us?” And walked away.
I did enjoyed the group on Tanya’s site over a year ago, when I had another kitty with CRD, unfortunately for him was too late and we last him and I stopped visiting the site. With my very limited extra time is difficult for me. That why I was asking here where I more comfortable and familiar, for an end solution. I know I have to find the time if I want my babies be well. I will By a different B vitamin and start to giving to her and also will check out the Astro’s oil too. Thanks for the tips.

Bsmith-as Wendy mentioned it unfortunately we can’t buy Friskies Special Diet here in Canada. “ I would be happy to join that underground food ring any time too.”
I was hopping the import between the two country will become easier not harder, but again I am a naïve dreamer.

Jordi- Thanks so much the information on the “Wild Calling” That is great. My IBD kitty really like it, He eats it when I put that front of him, as other can food not always tempting to him.

Louellen- Thanks for your detailed information, regarding the illnesses and the vitamins what are would support them.
I do give all three of them B12 injection but ( methyl cobalamin ) I started on Kangaroo because he had/has Neuropathy - now I give that to for IBD and CRF too.
 
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