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I’m a newbie and am so glad I found this site!
My vet prescribed Vetsulin 2x daily. I have been testing his BG 2x daily also. But I’m testing it after I feed him his meal and before I give the insulin. I just read on the sticky Vetsulin thread that I should test his BG BEFORE feeding him. Have I been doing this all wrong?!? His numbers have been quite high 400-500. Thanks!
 
I’m a newbie and am so glad I found this site!
My vet prescribed Vetsulin 2x daily. I have been testing his BG 2x daily also. But I’m testing it after I feed him his meal and before I give the insulin. I just read on the sticky Vetsulin thread that I should test his BG BEFORE feeding him. Have I been doing this all wrong?!? His numbers have been quite high 400-500. Thanks!
Hey there, been giving both our diabetic cats Vetsulin. General rule of thumb is to test, feed & wait 15-20 minutes, then give insulin. This gives the food a chance to act as a buffer since Vetsulin hits hard and fast.
 
Hey there, been giving both our diabetic cats Vetsulin. General rule of thumb is to test, feed & wait 15-20 minutes, then give insulin. This gives the food a chance to act as a buffer since Vetsulin hits hard and fast.
Oh wow, I must be getting skewed numbers by testing him after feeding . I checked with my husband and we’re both sure that’s what the vet told us to do....tomorrow AM I’ll check the BG before feeding. Not only have I been doing it after his meal but I’ve been waiting 15 minutes or so to do so. Thank you so much for replying!
 
An important note on when to feed your cat: Because Caninsulin/Vetsulin has an early onset, you want to have fed your cat 20 – 30 minutes before you give a shot. The order for this process is (1) test , (2) feed (3) wait 20 – 30 minutes (4) shoot.

Besides this do not feed any food 2 hours before your morning test and your night
time test
 
Welcome! I think you'll find this to be a great resource!

You test first having not feed for at least 2 hours prior to the preshot test. Then feed, then shoot. Vetsulin usually peeks around 4-6 hours, so you should try to get a test in there, too to see how low he's going.


Speaking of food, what are you feeding.
 
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An important note on when to feed your cat: Because Caninsulin/Vetsulin has an early onset, you want to have fed your cat 20 – 30 minutes before you give a shot. The order for this process is (1) test , (2) feed (3) wait 20 – 30 minutes (4) shoot.

Besides this do not feed any food 2 hours before your morning test and your night
time test
Welcome! I think you'll find this to be a great resource!

You test first having not feed for at least 2 hours prior to the preshot test. Then feed, then shoot. Vetsulin usually peeks around 4-6 hours, so you should try to get a test in there, too to see how low he's going.


Speaking of food, what are you feeding.
Welcome! I think you'll find this to be a great resource!

You test first having not feed for at least 2 hours prior to the preshot test. Then feed, then shoot. Vetsulin usually peeks around 4-6 hours, so you should try to get a test in there, too to see how low he's going.


Speaking of food, what are you feeding.
Well, the vet gave me prescription food. He prescribed Purina OM (canned and dry). My kitty is quite overweight. But I see from the comments this might not be a good idea. What would be a hood canned food for diabetes AND weight loss? It seems that FF has a pretty high fat content? Please advise . Thanks so much!
 
Well, the vet gave me prescription food. He prescribed Purina OM (canned and dry). My kitty is quite overweight. But I see from the comments this might not be a good idea. What would be a hood canned food for diabetes AND weight loss? It seems that FF has a pretty high fat content? Please advise . Thanks so much!
Purina OM is 21% carb, so it’s not diabetic friendly. The rule of thumb is about 20 calories per ideal weight. How much does your cat weigh? What is his ideal weight?
 
He weighs about 16 pounds (down from 18) and probably should weigh about 12 ....Would Purina DM be a better choice or about the same?
No, it is still high carb and quite expensive ... most of us feed Fancy Feast Classics or Friskies pate BUT anything on this chart that says 10% or less (ideally under 5%) is fair game for a diabetic.
You'll also find that Purina DM is mostly liver and cats tire of it quickly ... so you'll end up with expensive food that they don't want to eat after a while.

With diabetics, you do of course need to trim the kitty down, but they also need more food than normally recommended, oftentimes double. So if he should weigh 12 lbs you'd feed 240 calories x 2 = 480. An unregulated diabetic won't be utilitizing food properly hence the need for extra calories plus peeing alone will make him lose the calories he eats. Another rule of thumb might be to feed the ideal body weight in calories (240 cal) plus an additional 3oz of food. I wouldn't recommend trimming him down too fast, you don't want cats to lose more than 1% of their body weight a week.

As the others said, Vetsulin needs to wait 20-30 minutes after food is on board since it hits hard and fast. Don't really recommend Vetsulin, it's meant for dogs. Cats should be on Lantus or Prozinc (we can help you get Lantus cheap, it's very expensive in the US). While on Vetsulin, I do recommend testing and feeding 1 hour after injection, as it hits cats hard and fast and often causes problems due to how it reacts in the body.

Whenever you have time, jt and trouble's (Jeanne's) post above with information getting started would help us help you get your kitty in check! :)
 
My vet put us on Vetsulin, didn't tell us about home-monitoring or to lower carbs and set us on a 10 am/10 pm dosing schedule. You can see what my cat has been through the last month by looking at his spreadsheet. So far I've learned that:
  • Vetsulin doesn't last long enough (for my cat at least).
  • Low carb food can knock at least 100 points off blood glucose levels.
  • AlphaTrak2 is a great meter but strips are budget-killers. I'm starting ReliOn Prime meter and strips tomorrow.
  • Staying up till 3 am to test will kill you so be careful what times you dose.
  • I need to pay better attention to my cat; he's telling me a lot about his illness all the time.
  • These forum members are extremely knowledgeable and generous helpers that I can't do without.
Good luck!
 
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He weighs about 16 pounds (down from 18) and probably should weigh about 12 ....Would Purina DM be a better choice or about the same?
OK, so if he weighs 16 and should be about 12, I'd say aim for about 14 lbs first (don't want him too hungry). so 14x20 is 280 calories. so you would want to feed him about 3-3.5 cans of fancy feast a day depending on the calories in the flavors you give.

There's nothing in DM that is better for him. Most here feed fancy feast or friskies pate. I feed Weruva foods because many of them are also low phospherous which my cat needs for her kidneys.
 
My vet put us on Vetsulin, didn't tell us about home-monitoring or to lower carbs and set us on a 10 am/10 pm dosing schedule. You can see what my cat has been through the last month by looking at his spreadsheet. So far I've learned that:
  • Vetsulin doesn't last long enough (for my cat at least).
  • Low carb food can knock at least 100 points off blood glucose levels.
  • AlphaTrak2 is a great meter but strips are budget-killers. I'm starting ReliOn Prime meter and strips tomorrow.
  • Staying up till 3 am to test will kill you so be careful what times you dose.
  • I need to pay better attention to my cat; he's telling me a lot about his illness all the time.
  • These forum members are extremely knowledgeable and generous helpers that I can't do without.
Good luck!
So how did it go when you switched from the alphaTrak meter? Do you have to make any adjustments when you started using the different meter? I’m thinking of doing the same. The AlphaTrak strips are ridiculously expensive
 
So how did it go when you switched from the alphaTrak meter? Do you have to make any adjustments when you started using the different meter? I’m thinking of doing the same. The AlphaTrak strips are ridiculously expensive
You can see the numbers I'm getting with the ReliOn Prime on Oliver's spreadsheet. When I switched meters I took a single reading on both meters just to see the difference. The ReliOn reads lower.

I'm not sure if your worried about the numbers being different, but it's not absolute values we are looking for. It really doesn't matter if one meter has a different scale than another.

As far as differences between using the two meters, the ReliOn Prime works fine but I had to change my technique. I can't preload the strip (without activating) and then push it in (to activate) with one finger when I'm ready to poke the ear like I did with the Alpha. ReliOn Prime strips bend too much for that. Also, loading the strip takes two hands because I have to jamb it in to make it fit the meter. And, just sticking it in doesn't always activate the meter. I've had to pull it out and try again several times. Also, it times out fast, sometimes leaving me with no choice but to start over.

But I can make it work. My main complaint, after using it for only two days, is that the ReliOn needs more blood and I'd gotten so used to using a 33-gauge lancet to make the tiniest drop of blood with the AlphaTrak2, which I know Oliver greatly appreciated. Poor Oliver's ear is just going to have to pay the price to ease the pain in my wallet.
 
That’s good to know.... I didn’t find a much better price when I checked the AlphaTrak strips on EBay- the prices were about the same as Amazon. Did you purchase a different brand on EBay? Thanks
I use both Alpha strips (I can usually get them for around $40 ish) and Freestyle Insulinx (I usually get for around $15-$17) That being said, the insulinx strips are not intended for use in an Alpha meter, so use at your own risk. I personally have used them for 3 years though and find them to be very accurate, BUT DISCLAIMER i'm not telling you to.
 
We do not recommend using a different strip than is meant to be used in the meter. The manufacturer of the AT strips does not guarantee the reliability of the Freestyle strips.

For many cats who are switched to a low carb diet, they begin to lose weight. Cats can metabolize carbs -- they are obligate carnivores. A diet that is lower in carbs will aid in weight loss. There is nothing "prescription" about most prescription foods. In fact, the FDA is taking issue with the pet food companies about calling foods "prescription". It turns out that it's a marketing ploy that allows vets to distribute the food. Vets tend to get much of their training on nutrition from the companies that sell the food so there's a bit of a bias. How else could they sell you food that's high in carbs and call it a diabetic food?

There is a difference in the way a meter designed for pets vs humans is calibrated. The human meter is calibrated to be a little lower than a pet meter. When numbers are high, the difference between the two meters is larger. One other advantage of using a human meter is that all of the dosing methods we use are based on readings from a human meter. When the methods were developed, very few people used a pet meter. The AT has become much more popular in recent years.
 
I started my Stanley (age 14yrs) on the FF pate today and he ate it readily. I’m glad to have this instead of the RX food and I’m hopeful his numbers will show improvement. The food issues have been a bit problematic because both Stanley and his brother Theo were both used to free grazing for their whole life. Theo doesn’t have diabetes but he’s had to adjust to the change in feeding also. I feed them in the morning and the evening and a smaller meal in the middle of the day.
 
Thats great to hear. Have you been testing his Blood Glucose numbers? It really is the only way to keep Stanley safe. We can help you if you like.
 
Thats great to hear. Have you been testing his Blood Glucose numbers? It really is the only way to keep Stanley safe. We can help you if you like.
Yes, we’ve been testing 2x day before feeding and we did 1 glucose curve. He’s on Vetsulin 2.5u but his numbers aren’t consistent. Today, both AM and PM readings were over 500. But I’m going to hope they go down after a few days of FF pate. Otherwise we’ll have to up the insulin to 3u. I’ve been going very slow with increases- he started at 1u on 10/01.
 
If you set up a spread sheet anyone can help you at any moment . You will get help faster if the need arises, and it will give ALL your helpers the information they need to help you. I recommend you set it us asap. You NEVER know what can happen and you dot want to be working on that during an emergency.

If you are having problems setting it up we have very good people to assist you with it.

I have to leave for the night Please consider my request.
jeanne
 
If you set up a spread sheet anyone can help you at any moment . You will get help faster if the need arises, and it will give ALL your helpers the information they need to help you. I recommend you set it us asap. You NEVER know what can happen and you dot want to be working on that during an emergency.

If you are having problems setting it up we have very good people to assist you with it.

I have to leave for the night Please consider my request.
jeanne
My son is helping me set it up. I’m clueless
 
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