Question about 0ccasional urination inside

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Anne & Zener GA

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Hello all, my cat Zener has occasional episodes of peeing on the carpet by his scratching pad, right after he scratches on it and gets all excited. He has not urinated inside before he was diagnosed with diabetes three months ago. He is currently on Lantus and his excessive drinking and urination have diminished to pre-diagnosis levels. Just curious what might be causing this and if it is related to diabetes? Have had all the blood work and tests done, and no other health issues - kidneys, pancreas, etc all good.
 
Hi Anne, I remember you and Zener from when you first posted. I have followed you in LL and see where you and Zener are doing well, the Lantus people are great!

Cats! they always have something! I would try re-arranging the cat tree if you can, making sure there is no urine on it .... can happen, unfortunately. Make sure the carpet is cleaned well (not saying you are messy just going over basics :) and I have had the best luck with move and cover. So if you can move the tree and cover that area of carpet with something that cats do not like to pee on. Linoleum, vinyl .... something smooth.

Zener sounds as if he is doing MUCH better, I'm so glad. Also, if it is excitement that is causing the peeing, maybe cover the bottom area where you re-locate the cat tree with something smooth. You are just trying to stop the behavior and once you do that you should be able to remove everything. Are you giving him catnip? sometimes that causes excitement and peeing. (sometimes)

I am so glad everything is going well with his diabetes.

Nancy and Payne
 
Nancy and Payne said:
Hi Anne, I remember you and Zener from when you first posted. I have followed you in LL and see where you and Zener are doing well, the Lantus people are great!

Thanks for following us! It has been quite the struggle but things started looking up once I found the Lantus group!

Nancy and Payne said:
Cats! they always have something! I would try re-arranging the cat tree if you can, making sure there is no urine on it .... can happen, unfortunately. Make sure the carpet is cleaned well (not saying you are messy just going over basics :) and I have had the best luck with move and cover. So if you can move the tree and cover that area of carpet with something that cats do not like to pee on. Linoleum, vinyl .... something smooth.

This is great info. I have moved the cat scratching pad because there was some urine on the wooden base, will have to investigate if I can clean that off. I have bissel and a form of cat urine removal product that I use, which has worked pretty well. But did not move and cover. Will do that today!

Nancy and Payne said:
Zener sounds as if he is doing MUCH better, I'm so glad. Also, if it is excitement that is causing the peeing, maybe cover the bottom area where you re-locate the cat tree with something smooth. You are just trying to stop the behavior and once you do that you should be able to remove everything. Are you giving him catnip? sometimes that causes excitement and peeing. (sometimes)

Yes, catnip is involved. The scratching pad is one of those corrugated cardboard ones with catnip!

Thanks again for the information and suggestions, and for keeping up with us!
 
Julia & Bandit said:
Is Zener the only cat? It sounds like it could be a behavior problem. You could try some Feliway and see if that helps: http://www.amazon.com/Feliway-ORMD-...5?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1309289459&sr=1-5

Hi Julia and Bandit, thanks for replying and for the info on Feliway. I will have to try this one! Zener is not an only cat. Our other cat is 11 and Zener is almost 12, they have been together for 11 years. He has had behavior problems with peeing in the past but only rarely, and usually when one of us is about to travel. If you have a suitcase out and are packing to leave he will pee in it, if you leave the bag where he can get to it. Since he has cerebellar hypoplasia, if you keep things off the floor it's usually safe. So, perhaps behavior is part of it. I'll have to think about what is going on that might cause him to behave this way. Thanks for the information!
 
there are some cats who get overly excited from catnip and will pee.... I am thinking Randi/Max had that problem.... I would say to takeaway the catnip scratcher and replace it with one of the sissal/carpet type climbing trees.
you can try moving the catnip scratcher to another spot and if you have the same reaction then it's likely the catnip.
 
Hi Gayle, I'll try moving the catnip scratching pad where he peed to another location and see what happens. We have four throughout the house and three of those are the spots where he has been scratching and then urinated right after, so the catnip is looking very suspicious, though he does play with a catnip filled sock and does not pee after that. He doesn't get into the sock with nearly as much vigor as the scratching pads! Thanks for the suggestions!
 
Not enough information....

I have a long list of questions that I ask for all cases of IE but see my Litter Box page below for a start.
 
Lisa dvm said:
Not enough information....

I have a long list of questions that I ask for all cases of IE but see my Litter Box page below for a start.

Thank you for taking a look at my question. Medical problems have been ruled out with the exception of diabetes. My cat is presently on Lantus but not yet regulated, and I have transitioned him to a wet food diet.

1) Are you using an UNscented clumping litter? Yes



2) Is his box kept very clean? Less than 3-4 items at a maximum? Yes, I scoop it out 2x per day, and there are rarely more than 2-3 items at maximum.



3) Is his litter box big enough? I have two large plastic storage containers with square openings cut for the entrance. My cat has very mild cerebellar hypoplasia, so often ends up standing towards the end of urinating. These high walls help prevent spilling out. I have two cats, so I have two very large litter boxes, referred to as the "pee palaces".



4) Is it in a safe location as far as he is concerned? Yes, the boxes are in a closed garage with a cat door from the laundry room into the garage. The only other critters with access to this area are the other cat and the two humans.



5) Are there any feline housemates that may be tormenting him in the litter box - not allowing him to enter or exit?
Not that I am aware of, but he would be more likely to torment the other cat.



6) Are there enough boxes? Some cats like to urinate in one and defecate in another one.
I have two very large litter boxes for two cats.

I will look at all the information that you have linked, thanks again!
 
Given how paranoid I am about IE issues, I would put a LB near his post or at least more accessible than a garage.

Cat pee is forever. It is impossible to eliminate 100% of the odor from any floor - especially carpet.

If any of my cats ever peed on my floor....honestly.....I would flip since I have been in so many homes that smell like cat pee. This is a **huge** issue with me and I would do whatever I could to nip it in the bud immediately. I am amazed at how many people can stand to live in smelly houses. And, with my years in cat rescue work, I have been in plenty of stinky houses. Oddly, the people seem to be oblivious to the odor.
 
Lisa dvm said:
Given how paranoid I am about IE issues, I would put a LB near his post or at least more accessible than a garage.

Done, just moved one there this morning as he peed on the cardboard scratching pad, which thankfully I can just throw away!

Lisa dvm said:
Cat pee is forever. It is impossible to eliminate 100% of the odor from any floor - especially carpet.
Yes, I know what you mean. A friend of mine did some research while in vet school at Univ of Illinois on testing common household products for removing cat urine smell and found that plain old scope (green, not blue) was the best product. Even better than those things marketed for removing cat urine smell.

Lisa dvm said:
If any of my cats ever peed on my floor....honestly.....I would flip since I have been in so many homes that smell like cat pee. This is a **huge** issue with me and I would do whatever I could to nip it in the bud immediately. I am amazed at how many people can stand to live in smelly houses. And, with my years in cat rescue work, I have been in plenty of stinky houses. Oddly, the people seem to be oblivious to the odor.
And it is very disturbing to us as well. I am working hard to try to sort this out and that was one reason I posted to the message board. I have removed the catnip, cleaned and covered, and put a litter box in the spot he has used. I am not oblivious to the odor and sure don't want this to continue! Thanks so much for all your help with this!
 
Anne & Zener said:
Hi Julia and Bandit, thanks for replying and for the info on Feliway. I will have to try this one! Zener is not an only cat. Our other cat is 11 and Zener is almost 12, they have been together for 11 years. He has had behavior problems with peeing in the past but only rarely, and usually when one of us is about to travel. If you have a suitcase out and are packing to leave he will pee in it, if you leave the bag where he can get to it. Since he has cerebellar hypoplasia, if you keep things off the floor it's usually safe. So, perhaps behavior is part of it. I'll have to think about what is going on that might cause him to behave this way. Thanks for the information!


Gabby used to do that with suitcases, too--I think it started when I was younger and left her to go to college and came back for breaks. She would get mad at me and pee in my suitcase, and over the years the peeing would happen with ALL suitcases. She also would pee on plastic shopping bags if you left them on the floor. Don't know why she did this--it was the only stray urination she ever did, and easy to remedy (do not leave suitcases or plastic bags on the floor).

The feliway comes in both a spray, and a diffuser. I found a web site that explains it better: http://www.catfaeries.com/feliway.html

It works for some cats, but not all. And the problem has to be narrowed down to behavioral. If I needed to get a suitcase down for a trip, I would spray it with feliway first, and Gabby would not urinate on it. It worked really well with her. However, it did not work on Bandit when he was urinating from stress about the addition of another cat into the house. I did not try the diffusers, though.
 
Thanks Julia, I will check out this product. Zener has peed in suitcases pre-diagnosis and also will pee on my work backback and papers left on the floor in my office, not newspapers but work papers. It was the only stray urination he did too, until his diagnosis. I think he is trying to tell me not to leave and not to work. I really like those two options but retirement is years away! Thanks again. :mrgreen:
 
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