PZI Sticky - is this info current?

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Ginny & Alex

Ginny & Alex

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Everytime I go out to nose around on the website, I find something I didn't see the day before.

Since this has a date of July 31, 2006, I'm wondering if this is the most up-to-date info. (http://binkyspage.tripod.com/SLGS.html) This says to hold at a given dose for 1-2 weeks and recommends changing doses by .5 unit increments.
 
actually that does look to be a bit out of date. and very very general info.

i'd probably take a look at this post instead as it is probably a bit more up to date. gator pretty much went out and collected everyone's or most everyone's info that was out there about the pzi type insulins and put it all in one spot and i believe updating what needed to be updated i think. it's a lot to read but worth it.
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=32799
 
Agree. Looks like it was a general document that tried to cover all three insulins. I think we have decided it is best to start with one unit, not two and that, at least, with lower numbers, increase by .25. The document tried to put a lot of info in one place and this piece, at least, has some great stuff in it but is not completely up to date. As far as the week versus days increase in dosage, I think the jury may still be out on that. We are trying to look at individual cat patterns and adjust to what seems to be their usual trend.
 
after I read the recommendation for only changing the dose every 1 to 2 weeks, I started worrying that I wasn't giving the changes a chance.
 
I'm planning to work from home again tomorrow so I can get a few more readings. I'll post again when I'm ready for you to take a look.
 
and I don't mean to be a pessimist, but do the numbers look better only because I switched meters? This morning's number is back up in the 400s.
 
Not a pessimist, a realist!
Yes it is entirely possible that the meter reads higher or even lower.
But you are looking for trends. And that is not some fairy dust. The trends are what help you in knowing if the dose is good.
Now I will take a look at your SS.
 
well hon, i think that drop at +3 speaks for itself. the insulin IS working. good you are getting a curve today...may hold some answers. FWIW, may be working a little 'too well' if you know what i'm saying ;-)
 
I certainly wouldn't want him to go hypo, and while I haven't done this a whole lot of times, when I've done a +3 and a +6 test, he's NEVER been lower at +6. Same for today. He's on the rise.
 
well test alex in the amps...feed him....wait 1/2 hour to 45 minutes before shot...then test again.
some cats come down 50-100 points just from eatting. my tom does.
and alex is not really going up yet...i would say he is hanging steady.
 
We have been doing all that except for doing the second test. I guess I can try that tomorrow morning--if I can remember!! I'm not exactly a morning person. Hubby usually helps out but he's on a business trip for the rest of the week.

Alex seems a little happier since we feed him BEFORE the shot. And your jab and poke method is working out better than in the neck. He's still pissed, but less pissed. :lol:
 
no you test...feed...wait 30 - 45 minutes ..test again and THEN shoot.
the idea is to see if he is dropping from the food..before the shot is even absorbed.
because that is a pretty big dip in only 3 hours when it takes the insulin 1-2 hours to even hit the system.
 
I took your suggestion and tested early this morning, then fed, waited about 40 minutes and tested again. Then shot.
The numbers were almost the same.
What does that tell you?
 
Probably that he isn't a cat that brings himself down with food. They are not that common. Usually the food drop means the pancreas has started to work.

Boy, I am really conflicted. I see your best numbers early on with 2 units. Since there was only that one day when you had midcycle numbers, there is the possibility that he was bouncing on 2 units on the later days. I see no great numbers on 1 unit or 1.2 except that very first day on one unit.

This weekend will you be home and be able to get some nadir numbers? If so, I vote raise the dose - maybe to 1.7 or so. Can you start a new thread, Ginny, and ask for input on dose and see what others think?

I think the reason we are conflicted about higher or lower is that he just hasn't responded very well to either. Darn, wish we were more help to you.
 
well the fact that the numbers were almost the same is somewhat telling. don't most diabetic cats go UP after a meal? so your kitty's pancrease is indeed alive! just not functioning all the well by itself. there is hope.
 
Sue,
I don't know if you saw it or not, but I did post on Wednesday, in the afternoon, and got responses from Lori, Kelly and Joanna. Everyone except Lori was in favor of raising the dose. And yes, I will be home lots of the weekend since Alex prevents us from going too far afeield. When you say nadir numbers, you're talking +6 and not the entire gambit of +3, +6, +9 and +12 , right?

Lori,
Thanks for the encouragement. I see lots of signatures with OTJ in there and I'd love the be one of those someday!!!
 
Good Luck dear Ginny...I still think about ruling out the fact that Alex will do well on a lower dose...but you go with your best feeling and of course the wisdom of the many.
One way or the other ... we will break thru this puzzle :-D
 
Dearest Ginny, Nadir is not a + number....it is the lowest number in the cycle...so it could be any of thoses + Numbers.
 
Every cat is different, but USUALLY, the nadir for ProZinc is somewhere around +6. We like curves to have a few additional numbers so you can see exactly when Alex does start down.
 
well, not necessarily...some cats just nadir later or earlier...and most don't stick to the same exact schedule every day :lol:
let's say 'around' +6ish..could be 5 or 7 or even 8.
you just want to know the lowest of the day.
 
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