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so have you been shooting this dose for a month now?
so have you been shooting this dose for a month now?
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oh, i just read the progression.
oh, i just read the progression.
MommaOfMuse
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Lori this is the first dose at this level, vet has been increasing by whole units every week
Mel
Lori this is the first dose at this level, vet has been increasing by whole units every week
Mel
cmcd65
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Mel, you are a saint. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Please get some rest!!!
Lori, no, I'm sorry, i probably wasn't very clear. I'm a little bumfuggled.
The vet gave her 5 units yesterday morning. Her Nadir (?) was at +6 and it was 100.
I gave her a little less than 5 units last night (because it was a little earlier than 12 hours after her morning shot)
Then this morning I gave her a little under 5
And tonight I gave her closer to 4.5 because 5 scared me
I'm glad I didn't give the entire 5.
SO, she has only been on this increased dosage for 2 days.
Last week she was on 4 units twice a day.
Mel, you are a saint. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Please get some rest!!!
Lori, no, I'm sorry, i probably wasn't very clear. I'm a little bumfuggled.
The vet gave her 5 units yesterday morning. Her Nadir (?) was at +6 and it was 100.
I gave her a little less than 5 units last night (because it was a little earlier than 12 hours after her morning shot)
Then this morning I gave her a little under 5
And tonight I gave her closer to 4.5 because 5 scared me
I'm glad I didn't give the entire 5.
SO, she has only been on this increased dosage for 2 days.
Last week she was on 4 units twice a day.
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carla, when tonight is all over...let's set up a spread sheet like we all have...see below. tomtom's spread sheet.
and perhaps start off at a reduced dose and start tracking her numbers.
i think/hope this will go smoothly tonight.
((((hugs)))))
carla, when tonight is all over...let's set up a spread sheet like we all have...see below. tomtom's spread sheet.
and perhaps start off at a reduced dose and start tracking her numbers.
i think/hope this will go smoothly tonight.
((((hugs)))))
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if you want to lay down for awhile i can call you to stir you awake in 1/2 hour.
if you want to lay down for awhile i can call you to stir you awake in 1/2 hour.
nancy and payne
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Carla are you okay, do you need to sleep? Lori would call you for the next test, just PM her your phone number. Nancy
Carla are you okay, do you need to sleep? Lori would call you for the next test, just PM her your phone number. Nancy
MommaOfMuse
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Carla it was my pleasure to be here tonight for you....That is just what we do here, and if I could still see the keyboard I would stay too. But I know you are in great hands with Lori and Nancy, if I didn't think so I wouldn't leave you. =)
I'll be back to check in on you in a few hours.
Nighters all
Mel
Carla it was my pleasure to be here tonight for you....That is just what we do here, and if I could still see the keyboard I would stay too. But I know you are in great hands with Lori and Nancy, if I didn't think so I wouldn't leave you. =)
I'll be back to check in on you in a few hours.
Nighters all
Mel
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ni ni mel...sweet dreams...or, not quite so sweet. :lol:
ni ni mel...sweet dreams...or, not quite so sweet. :lol:
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carla maybe cut the syrup and let her free feed the kibble.
don't want to stuff her in case she needs food in an hour.
nice slow climb...
test in half hour k?
carla maybe cut the syrup and let her free feed the kibble.
don't want to stuff her in case she needs food in an hour.
nice slow climb...
test in half hour k?
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well, so you have an neosporin in the house? you could rub that on her ear. also press firmly on her ear with a cotton ball after you get the blood for a quick heal.
she'll be fine.
make sure you add pressure to the poke spot after you get blood.
you are SUCH the VAMPIRE now!
well, so you have an neosporin in the house? you could rub that on her ear. also press firmly on her ear with a cotton ball after you get the blood for a quick heal.
she'll be fine.
make sure you add pressure to the poke spot after you get blood.
you are SUCH the VAMPIRE now!
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btw, tom is ogling boo...he thinks she is super cute.
btw, tom is ogling boo...he thinks she is super cute.
cmcd65
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I do have some neosporin. Will try to put some on her. Thanks. It's kind of incredible that she has not been running from me tonight when she sees me coming with my kit of sharp objects that poke her. I wonder if she might have been a little disoriented with the low numbers? She's been WAY more cooperative than she usually is by nature.
Thanks heavens for small miracles, I suppose.
Carla
I do have some neosporin. Will try to put some on her. Thanks. It's kind of incredible that she has not been running from me tonight when she sees me coming with my kit of sharp objects that poke her. I wonder if she might have been a little disoriented with the low numbers? She's been WAY more cooperative than she usually is by nature.
Thanks heavens for small miracles, I suppose.
Carla
nancy and payne
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Thank goodness you started testing! Yes, but not the way you wanted to learn!! Our sugar kitties learn that when we test, they get a treat and they know we are helping them, like Boo knows you are helping now. If anything we get closer to our sugar kits. You will need to go visit the insulin support group Lantus and have them help you with dosing.
You can try changing ears or putting on Neosporin (ointment) after, that will help the pain. If you use a cotton ball or kleenex inside the ear, then use that to hold the ear when you use the lancet, after you get the blood, then hold the ear with the cotton ball (or) for a few moments, that will help.
Thank goodness you started testing! Yes, but not the way you wanted to learn!! Our sugar kitties learn that when we test, they get a treat and they know we are helping them, like Boo knows you are helping now. If anything we get closer to our sugar kits. You will need to go visit the insulin support group Lantus and have them help you with dosing.
You can try changing ears or putting on Neosporin (ointment) after, that will help the pain. If you use a cotton ball or kleenex inside the ear, then use that to hold the ear when you use the lancet, after you get the blood, then hold the ear with the cotton ball (or) for a few moments, that will help.
cmcd65
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You bring up an excellent point, Nancy. What the heck do I do tomorrow with dosing??? My vet doesn't open until 8.... I will have to go to work about that time. After tonight, I don't feel good at ALL about giving her a shot and leaving the house.... no matter WHAT the dosage!
Hmmmmmmmm
You bring up an excellent point, Nancy. What the heck do I do tomorrow with dosing??? My vet doesn't open until 8.... I will have to go to work about that time. After tonight, I don't feel good at ALL about giving her a shot and leaving the house.... no matter WHAT the dosage!
Hmmmmmmmm
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carla, you may or likely will have a high number in the am...part due to bounce from the low. and part due to all the carbs she's getting tonight...and sugar.
don't, do not respond to a high number.
if you do have a shootable number i'd start all over at 1 unit.
carla, you may or likely will have a high number in the am...part due to bounce from the low. and part due to all the carbs she's getting tonight...and sugar.
don't, do not respond to a high number.
if you do have a shootable number i'd start all over at 1 unit.
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i'm thinking over 150...1 unit.
but lantus is not my insulin...maybe in the morning you could post in the lantus room.. how busy are your mornings..do you rush off to work?
i'm thinking over 150...1 unit.
but lantus is not my insulin...maybe in the morning you could post in the lantus room.. how busy are your mornings..do you rush off to work?
nancy and payne
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Has Boo had ketones? any other problems? The Lantus people will want you to go back to square one, at 1u.
I would post in Lantus now and ask what you should dose in the AM, I don't see anyone here now from Lantus, if there is, could you chime in.
The Lantus people have some early people who will be able to advise you but I'm not sure you want to give her a shot in the AM then leave .... but I use another insulin, what do you think Lori?
Nancy
Has Boo had ketones? any other problems? The Lantus people will want you to go back to square one, at 1u.
I would post in Lantus now and ask what you should dose in the AM, I don't see anyone here now from Lantus, if there is, could you chime in.
The Lantus people have some early people who will be able to advise you but I'm not sure you want to give her a shot in the AM then leave .... but I use another insulin, what do you think Lori?
Nancy
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always let anyone your posting to know you are feeding dry kibble. it matters..ok?
always let anyone your posting to know you are feeding dry kibble. it matters..ok?
nancy and payne
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Yes, thank G --! you hadn't changed over to canned .... that would have been a REAL problem! How is Boo?
Yes, thank G --! you hadn't changed over to canned .... that would have been a REAL problem! How is Boo?
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seems like it's time for a test huh?
seems like it's time for a test huh?
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well you up for awhile? are you ok? i think you will be giving half hour tests until you get 60.
well you up for awhile? are you ok? i think you will be giving half hour tests until you get 60.
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is boo awake, interested in any eatting?
is boo awake, interested in any eatting?
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i'm glad your still zippy...i'm shutting down. i think you can handle the rest of this, you think?
i'm glad your still zippy...i'm shutting down. i think you can handle the rest of this, you think?
cmcd65
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I'm not sure what keytones are... the only problem Boo has had recently is bladder stones. She had surgery several months ago.
If you guys need to sleep, please do.... I'm awake... I promise. You all have been soooo nice. Thank you a million times.
xo
Carla
Nancy and Payne said:
I'm not sure what keytones are... the only problem Boo has had recently is bladder stones. She had surgery several months ago.
If you guys need to sleep, please do.... I'm awake... I promise. You all have been soooo nice. Thank you a million times.
xo
Carla
nancy and payne
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Carla, you okay? You really need for him to hit 60 .... sorry. Although he seems to be doing good, it was a good post in Lantus .... they have a bunch of Easterners so they should get to you early for advise. Do you want me to stay? are you okay?
Nancy
Carla, you okay? You really need for him to hit 60 .... sorry. Although he seems to be doing good, it was a good post in Lantus .... they have a bunch of Easterners so they should get to you early for advise. Do you want me to stay? are you okay?
Nancy
nancy and payne
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Okay, I'll check on you in the AM .... I need to go into SF to work in the morning but I'll be sending out good vibes to you and Boo. You have been a great bean! (what our kits call us
and you showed great strength tonight, you should be proud!! Boo thanks you for learning to test (well, maybe not in this way and it will give YOU power! In time you will be able to KNOW the dose Boo needs and take care of him yourself. You know that dry food is like crack for a diabetic cat .... but don't change until you get your dose down because changing over to canned, can drop your numbers down by 100 points sometimes! Good job Carla!
Nancy and Payne
(who has her own war stories
Okay, I'll check on you in the AM .... I need to go into SF to work in the morning but I'll be sending out good vibes to you and Boo. You have been a great bean! (what our kits call us
and you showed great strength tonight, you should be proud!! Boo thanks you for learning to test (well, maybe not in this way and it will give YOU power! In time you will be able to KNOW the dose Boo needs and take care of him yourself. You know that dry food is like crack for a diabetic cat .... but don't change until you get your dose down because changing over to canned, can drop your numbers down by 100 points sometimes! Good job Carla!Nancy and Payne
(who has her own war stories
nancy and payne
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You are tired, that's all .... trust me you've done well, really well. Try not to over-think it tonight you have just been through a big ordeal .... tomorrow decisions can be made, try and get some sleep when you hit the magic number! You will be fine and it's good you don't know what ketones are but you will need to learn, you are up to it, really. ((((Carla/Boo)))) hugs and good wishes! Nancy
You are tired, that's all .... trust me you've done well, really well. Try not to over-think it tonight you have just been through a big ordeal .... tomorrow decisions can be made, try and get some sleep when you hit the magic number! You will be fine and it's good you don't know what ketones are but you will need to learn, you are up to it, really. ((((Carla/Boo)))) hugs and good wishes! Nancy
MommaOfMuse
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Morning Hon, just checking in with you guys as promised...How we doing this morning?
Mel, Maxwell and The Fur Gang
Morning Hon, just checking in with you guys as promised...How we doing this morning?
Mel, Maxwell and The Fur Gang
cmcd65
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Good Morning, Mel. We survived. I have not tested Boo yet this morning.... literally just woke up and walked in here.
I feel sick at my stomach at the thought of sticking her again, but I know I have to.
I'm going to check the Lantus board before doing anything.
I hope you got a few hours sleep. Thank you so much for your support.
Thank you to EVERYONE who helped me through last night!
xo
Carla and Boo
Good Morning, Mel. We survived. I have not tested Boo yet this morning.... literally just woke up and walked in here.
I feel sick at my stomach at the thought of sticking her again, but I know I have to.
I'm going to check the Lantus board before doing anything.
I hope you got a few hours sleep. Thank you so much for your support.
Thank you to EVERYONE who helped me through last night!
xo
Carla and Boo
MommaOfMuse
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Aww shucks that is what we are hear for, and yeah I got a couple hours of sleep, and lucky for me I can go crawl back in bed here in a little bit after I get the Fur Gang fed, and litter boxes scooped.
Checking with the Lantus folks is a good idea, they can help you out a lot. And Hey, after this Saturday you will get to see me over there too.. ohmygod_smile As I'm picking up my newly adopted sugarkitty, Musette. So we can be kind of newbie buddies...lol.
Glad you and Boo made it through the night, and yeah I understand not wanting to stick her again, but now you see how important it is, and well now you are a pro so it will get easier, and with the very capable hands over in Lantus Land, hopefully you will never have to poke her that much again.
Give Boo scritched for me.
Mel, Maxwell and The Fur Gang
Aww shucks that is what we are hear for, and yeah I got a couple hours of sleep, and lucky for me I can go crawl back in bed here in a little bit after I get the Fur Gang fed, and litter boxes scooped.
Checking with the Lantus folks is a good idea, they can help you out a lot. And Hey, after this Saturday you will get to see me over there too.. ohmygod_smile As I'm picking up my newly adopted sugarkitty, Musette. So we can be kind of newbie buddies...lol.
Glad you and Boo made it through the night, and yeah I understand not wanting to stick her again, but now you see how important it is, and well now you are a pro so it will get easier, and with the very capable hands over in Lantus Land, hopefully you will never have to poke her that much again.
Give Boo scritched for me.
Mel, Maxwell and The Fur Gang
MommaOfMuse
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Nice number for a +12, you may have earned a morning off from a shot, or at least a very big dose reduction, but I will leave that to the folks over in Lantus ISG...They will guide you very well.
Mel, Maxwell and the Fur Gang
Nice number for a +12, you may have earned a morning off from a shot, or at least a very big dose reduction, but I will leave that to the folks over in Lantus ISG...They will guide you very well.
Mel, Maxwell and the Fur Gang
cmcd65
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8:20 a.m. = 201
Ate a tad of dry food after the test
8:30 a.m. Gave 1 unit
She ate some dry food immediately after the shot too
+1 = 202
Ate a little more dry food after the test.
I'm hoping there is not sharp drop today. I feel very good about my decision to stay home from work. I would feel like I were flying blind with no numbers for 8 hours.
Thank you all so much. I hope I can repay your kindness some day.
Carla (and Boo)
8:20 a.m. = 201
Ate a tad of dry food after the test
8:30 a.m. Gave 1 unit
She ate some dry food immediately after the shot too
+1 = 202
Ate a little more dry food after the test.
I'm hoping there is not sharp drop today. I feel very good about my decision to stay home from work. I would feel like I were flying blind with no numbers for 8 hours.
Thank you all so much. I hope I can repay your kindness some day.
Carla (and Boo)
Julia & Bandit (GA)
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Wow, just logged on this morning and saw this. You did wonderful Carla, and it looks like you started testing at exactly the right time for Boo. I can't believe how many close calls like this have shown up lately--I am convinced some owners have a sixth sense that something just isn't right.
Carla, you can read about ketones here: http://www.felinediabetes.com/ketones.htm. Chances are if your vet didn't mention them then Boo doesn't have them, but you always want to be safe. You can pick up the testing strips (ketostix or ketodiastix) at any pharmacy. You do need a urine sample for it...most people just stick it in the stream while their cat is going #1, or they use non absorbent litter, or put saran wrap over the litter. With Gabby I stuck a shallow plastic dish in her regular spot in box, and Bandit would pee on demand whenever he thought he was getting a bath. I now have the breeze litter box: http://www.breezeforcats.com/?DCMP=...breeze+for+cats&HBX_OU=50&D=4500582&T=6034297 which would be great for getting urine samples since it has a tray that collects the urine. I love it.
Your vet did not raise Boo's dose correctly, and I can't even tell you how incredibly common this is. Lantus doses for cats are supposed to be raised in .25u=.5u increments or you get into overdose territory. And too much insulin looks just like too little insulin because of high rebound numbers at the vets office, so they keep raising the dose until the poor cat hypos. :sad:
Wow, just logged on this morning and saw this. You did wonderful Carla, and it looks like you started testing at exactly the right time for Boo. I can't believe how many close calls like this have shown up lately--I am convinced some owners have a sixth sense that something just isn't right.
Carla, you can read about ketones here: http://www.felinediabetes.com/ketones.htm. Chances are if your vet didn't mention them then Boo doesn't have them, but you always want to be safe. You can pick up the testing strips (ketostix or ketodiastix) at any pharmacy. You do need a urine sample for it...most people just stick it in the stream while their cat is going #1, or they use non absorbent litter, or put saran wrap over the litter. With Gabby I stuck a shallow plastic dish in her regular spot in box, and Bandit would pee on demand whenever he thought he was getting a bath. I now have the breeze litter box: http://www.breezeforcats.com/?DCMP=...breeze+for+cats&HBX_OU=50&D=4500582&T=6034297 which would be great for getting urine samples since it has a tray that collects the urine. I love it.
Your vet did not raise Boo's dose correctly, and I can't even tell you how incredibly common this is. Lantus doses for cats are supposed to be raised in .25u=.5u increments or you get into overdose territory. And too much insulin looks just like too little insulin because of high rebound numbers at the vets office, so they keep raising the dose until the poor cat hypos. :sad:
MommaOfMuse
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Just waking back up...glad you went with 1u today it is so much easier to slowly raise the dose until we find her perfect dose than go through what we went through last night.
Mel, Maxwell and the Fur Gang
Just waking back up...glad you went with 1u today it is so much easier to slowly raise the dose until we find her perfect dose than go through what we went through last night.
Mel, Maxwell and the Fur Gang
cmcd65
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Regarding vets.... I have known mine for 25 years.... he is married to my best friend from high school. I try not to take advantage of knowing his cell number ( :smile: ), but it's nice to know I can always get in touch with him.
He was VERY supportive when I told him Monday (Omg, was that just 2 days ago??) that I was going to begin home testing. Boo is a very nervy cat and it's a 30 minute car ride from my house to clinic. She was amped up by the time she got there and I'm sure his numbers were inflated because of it.
When I texted him this morning (it's his day off), he wanted me to send readings every time I took them and he has responded with questions and concerns. I feel he is on board completely.... just maybe not as hands on with this stuff as you guys are. So I have the best of both worlds. As a vet, his primary concern isn't her diet, but it should be. I will try to keep him updated on Boo's progress as I switch her to wet food (she says with confidence) so hopefully he can help other clients going through the same thing.
I don't like that her +2 is 176 this morning. I know that's not a dangerously low number, but she has a ways to go before her Nadir (sp?) at +6. I'll keep at it.
Thanks again so much, and I apologize if I have spoken jibberish or posted the same info twice... between here and teh Lantus Forum, I've been doing a lot of posting.
xoxoxo
Carla
Regarding vets.... I have known mine for 25 years.... he is married to my best friend from high school. I try not to take advantage of knowing his cell number ( :smile: ), but it's nice to know I can always get in touch with him.
He was VERY supportive when I told him Monday (Omg, was that just 2 days ago??) that I was going to begin home testing. Boo is a very nervy cat and it's a 30 minute car ride from my house to clinic. She was amped up by the time she got there and I'm sure his numbers were inflated because of it.
When I texted him this morning (it's his day off), he wanted me to send readings every time I took them and he has responded with questions and concerns. I feel he is on board completely.... just maybe not as hands on with this stuff as you guys are. So I have the best of both worlds. As a vet, his primary concern isn't her diet, but it should be. I will try to keep him updated on Boo's progress as I switch her to wet food (she says with confidence) so hopefully he can help other clients going through the same thing.
I don't like that her +2 is 176 this morning. I know that's not a dangerously low number, but she has a ways to go before her Nadir (sp?) at +6. I'll keep at it.
Thanks again so much, and I apologize if I have spoken jibberish or posted the same info twice... between here and teh Lantus Forum, I've been doing a lot of posting.
xoxoxo
Carla
nancy and payne
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Good morning Carla and of course, Boo! I see where the Lantus people are taking good care of you, I knew they would .... they will advise you every step of the way. You have made so much progress, so quickly! baptism by fire! Give Boo a big hug and kiss for all of us and you need to sleep some today, I am glad you are staying home.
I will be leaving SF soon, stupid stock market!! some days are like that .... I will check in when I get home but wanted you to know I thought you did great last night! Now you are on the road to getting Boo healthy!
Nancy and Payne
Good morning Carla and of course, Boo! I see where the Lantus people are taking good care of you, I knew they would .... they will advise you every step of the way. You have made so much progress, so quickly! baptism by fire! Give Boo a big hug and kiss for all of us and you need to sleep some today, I am glad you are staying home.
I will be leaving SF soon, stupid stock market!! some days are like that .... I will check in when I get home but wanted you to know I thought you did great last night! Now you are on the road to getting Boo healthy!
Nancy and Payne
nancy and payne
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Re: 911 possible hypo... Lantus
Also Carla would you go back and take the 911 off this thread .... I forgot to do that with the LL one and I got yelled at, then locked up! You may want to start a new thread if you want or just stay with the Lantus one.
Nancy
Also Carla would you go back and take the 911 off this thread .... I forgot to do that with the LL one and I got yelled at, then locked up! You may want to start a new thread if you want or just stay with the Lantus one.
Nancy
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