PANCREATITIS and vomiting

[sun]

hi,

i have written in another thread about pancreatitis and insulin resistance.
thx for info from the kind people here.
i read the links and they are very useful.

siujim is now on most of the supplements mentioned in the link (i doubt my vet has given siujim too much though)
i) sam-e (is 200mg too much for a 2.7kg cat?)
ii) vit e
iii) coq10 (is 100mg too much)
iv) super digestive enzymes
vi) ursosan (35mg)

her BG is lower which is good sign. however, her vomiting problem is still there.
in fact vomit more often, 1-2 times per 10 days.

may i ask is there anything i can do further?
tonight, i give her some slippery elm bark (which i used to feed her when she had kidney problem, vomiting a lot and not eating). is that ok to go with the above supplements?

i did ask my homeopath and she gave me some ARS. i did give some to her last month. but now she is on so many supplements and on medicine (ursosan), i dare not feed her. pls advise.


thx

 

[tuckers mom]

You could add some Pepcid to the mix until the vomitting subsides.

 

[sun]

yeah, i also think so, famotidine is pepcid right?
i just think if slippery elm bark is good, then i don't want to force feed her pills.

thxxx.

You could add some Pepcid to the mix until the vomitting subsides.

 

[tuckers mom]

I use famotidine, the injectible, it's a script from the vet that I pick up at the pharmacy.

However, when I did give in pill form, I crushed it and put it in food, sometimes I didn't crush it and put it in cream cheese, Tucker can't have pill pockets because of allergies, but the small amount of cream cheese worked great.

 

[pamela and tigger]

hi,

i have written in another thread about pancreatitis and insulin resistance.
thx for info from the kind people here.
i read the links and they are very useful.

siujim is now on most of the supplements mentioned in the link (i doubt my vet has given siujim too much though)
i) sam-e (is 200mg too much for a 2.7kg cat?)
ii) vit e
iii) coq10 (is 100mg too much)
iv) super digestive enzymes
vi) ursosan (35mg)

her BG is lower which is good sign. however, her vomiting problem is still there.
in fact vomit more often, 1-2 times per 10 days.

may i ask is there anything i can do further?
tonight, i give her some slippery elm bark (which i used to feed her when she had kidney problem, vomiting a lot and not eating). is that ok to go with the above supplements?

i did ask my homeopath and she gave me some ARS. i did give some to her last month. but now she is on so many supplements and on medicine (ursosan), i dare not feed her. pls advise.


thx

I see that ursosan is the same thing as ursodial (Actigall) here in the States. So you might put that in parenthesis after the name since there are a number of people here who have had their cats on this medication over the years. My Tigger was on it for a few years after being diagnosed with Triaditis which can go hand in hand with pancreatitis:

http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/p ... _test.html

"......Further complicating matters, pancreatitis in cats often develops concurrently with other diseases, such as hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver disease), cholangtiohepatitis (inflammation of the liver and bile ducts), and inflammatory bowel disease. (In fact, the concurrent occurrence of these three disorders in a cat has been termed “feline triad disease” or “triaditis”)."

Tigger's ursodial was compounded into a chicken flavored liquid which made it much easier to administer by adding it to his food (not sure if you can get it this way in Hong Kong?). He was given 1 ml in a dropper twice a day. It really helped with his vomiting which he had been doing for months prior with no success from anything else we tried ( it helps the flow of bile). So I hope it helps your Sun.

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Conten ... 0&EVetID=0

The SamE we also gave to help with his liver. We get it here from a company called Nutramax, name brand Denamarin. He would get 1 small tablet a day (90 mg) on an empty stomach. The easiest way to give it was in a flavored pill pocket.

I am not sure about the Coq10 - I know what it is but never used it.

So I am not sure if any of this helps you or not. Did your vet mention that Sun could have triaditis? Simply put, it involves the liver/intestines/pancreas.

It seems like you are doing all the right things for your Sun. I hope she stops vomiting soon and that you can get her diabetes under control. Tigger still vomits occasionally but it is usually hairball related.

He is now a very healthy 15 year old diabetic. I am sure your Sun will get better too.

Oh, one more thing. I also supplemented Tigger's food with taurine (in powder form) and still do. But I originally started doing that because the ursodial depletes this essestial amino acid from their system. Tigger gets 1/8 tsp BID mixed in his food - it is tasteless.

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Conten ... 0&EVetID=0

"There is a possibility that chronic use of ursodeoxycholic acid in cats may deplete the body of the essential amino acid taurine, thus necessitating dietary supplementation with this amino acid. Dogs are able to manufacture their own taurine internally so this issue is not problematic for them."

Here is another good link on SamE:

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... 5&aid=3062

 

[sun]

thx for your info.

u mean tigger had been on ursosan and other supplements for a few years before things are settled?
this is a long time...

so, normally, it takes a few years for a cat to be recovered from pancreatitis and diabetes?

thx.
anson

hi,

i have written in another thread about pancreatitis and insulin resistance.
thx for info from the kind people here.
i read the links and they are very useful.

siujim is now on most of the supplements mentioned in the link (i doubt my vet has given siujim too much though)
i) sam-e (is 200mg too much for a 2.7kg cat?)
ii) vit e
iii) coq10 (is 100mg too much)
iv) super digestive enzymes
vi) ursosan (35mg)

her BG is lower which is good sign. however, her vomiting problem is still there.
in fact vomit more often, 1-2 times per 10 days.

may i ask is there anything i can do further?
tonight, i give her some slippery elm bark (which i used to feed her when she had kidney problem, vomiting a lot and not eating). is that ok to go with the above supplements?

i did ask my homeopath and she gave me some ARS. i did give some to her last month. but now she is on so many supplements and on medicine (ursosan), i dare not feed her. pls advise.


thx

I see that ursosan is the same thing as ursodial (Actigall) here in the States. So you might put that in parenthesis after the name since there are a number of people here who have had their cats on this medication over the years. My Tigger was on it for a few years after being diagnosed with Triaditis which can go hand in hand with pancreatitis:

http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/p ... _test.html

"......Further complicating matters, pancreatitis in cats often develops concurrently with other diseases, such as hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver disease), cholangtiohepatitis (inflammation of the liver and bile ducts), and inflammatory bowel disease. (In fact, the concurrent occurrence of these three disorders in a cat has been termed “feline triad disease” or “triaditis”)."

Tigger's ursodial was compounded into a chicken flavored liquid which made it much easier to administer by adding it to his food (not sure if you can get it this way in Hong Kong?). He was given 1 ml in a dropper twice a day. It really helped with his vomiting which he had been doing for months prior with no success from anything else we tried ( it helps the flow of bile). So I hope it helps your Sun.

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Conten ... 0&EVetID=0

The SamE we also gave to help with his liver. We get it here from a company called Nutramax, name brand Denamarin. He would get 1 small tablet a day (90 mg) on an empty stomach. The easiest way to give it was in a flavored pill pocket.

I am not sure about the Coq10 - I know what it is but never used it.

So I am not sure if any of this helps you or not. Did your vet mention that Sun could have triaditis? Simply put, it involves the liver/intestines/pancreas.

It seems like you are doing all the right things for your Sun. I hope she stops vomiting soon and that you can get her diabetes under control. Tigger still vomits occasionally but it is usually hairball related.

He is now a very healthy 15 year old diabetic. I am sure your Sun will get better too.

Oh, one more thing. I also supplemented Tigger's food with taurine (in powder form) and still do. But I originally started doing that because the ursodial depletes this essestial amino acid from their system. Tigger gets 1/8 tsp BID mixed in his food - it is tasteless.

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Conten ... 0&EVetID=0

"There is a possibility that chronic use of ursodeoxycholic acid in cats may deplete the body of the essential amino acid taurine, thus necessitating dietary supplementation with this amino acid. Dogs are able to manufacture their own taurine internally so this issue is not problematic for them."

Here is another good link on SamE:

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm ... 5&aid=3062

 

[pamela and tigger]

thx for your info.

u mean tigger had been on ursosan and other supplements for a few years before things are settled?
this is a long time...

so, normally, it takes a few years for a cat to be recovered from pancreatitis and diabetes?

I wouldn't necessarily say that. Tigger had Triaditis which involves the liver too. That is why he was on the ursodial. You should probably ask your vet that question though. Here is a good write-up on pancreatitis. I know you have been reading a lot but this one is pretty good:

http://www.vetinfo.com/cpancrea.html

I just mentioned all that about the Triaditis (Triad Syndrome) since it 'seemed' like your vet could be prescribing the SamE and the ursodial with this in mind? If it were me I would ask him exactly why he was prescribing the ursodial that's all.

http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/learning- ... -cats.html

Here is another good thread on pancreatitis and how long it can last and treatments:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12018

 

[sun]

thx so much for the info, will read more later.

the vet didn't say siujim has triaditis as she doesn't have an ultrasound scan. i don't want to bother her too much unless it is necessary.
the vet says pancreas is hard to "indentify" so i think unless she vomits continuously or losing weight, then we will go for it.
the vet clinic is very far from home and siujim really hates going out. i don't want to stress her out.

i will go to the clinic myself and talk to the vet today again. her BG going higher again in the last few days. very strange. not sure. but she eats ok, walking around more, in ok spirits...

back to the triaditis issue, the vet said there is little to do directly dealing with pancreas, so liver support may help. that's why siujim is on the sam-e and vit e...

i realize pancreatitis can cause great pain, lack of appetite and lost of weight.
does it mean if siujim goes on regaining weight (this is also good news for diabetes) and eating ok. move around a lot, it means that she is improving?

are these good ways to observe her if she is very sick or painful?

thx.
anson

thx for your info.

u mean tigger had been on ursosan and other supplements for a few years before things are settled?
this is a long time...

so, normally, it takes a few years for a cat to be recovered from pancreatitis and diabetes?

I wouldn't necessarily say that. Tigger had Triaditis which involves the liver too. That is why he was on the ursodial. You should probably ask your vet that question though. Here is a good write-up on pancreatitis. I know you have been reading a lot but this one is pretty good:

http://www.vetinfo.com/cpancrea.html

I just mentioned all that about the Triaditis (Triad Syndrome) since it 'seemed' like your vet could be prescribing the SamE and the ursodial with this in mind? If it were me I would ask him exactly why he was prescribing the ursodial that's all.

http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/learning- ... -cats.html

Here is another good thread on pancreatitis and how long it can last and treatments:

http://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopi ... =3&t=12018

 

[pamela and tigger]

thx so much for the info, will read more later.

the vet didn't say siujim has triaditis as she doesn't have an ultrasound scan. i don't want to bother her too much unless it is necessary.

Tigger did have the ultrasound scan, but his bloodwork showed his liver values were way high as well. Did you get copies of siujim's bloodwork? Always a good idea to get these records for your own self.

the vet says pancreas is hard to "indentify" so i think unless she vomits continuously or losing weight, then we will go for it.
the vet clinic is very far from home and siujim really hates going out. i don't want to stress her out.

i will go to the clinic myself and talk to the vet today again. her BG going higher again in the last few days. very strange. not sure. but she eats ok, walking around more, in ok spirits...

Good idea, talking to the vet yourself again. Just keep asking questions and do ask him for the recent bloodwork if you don't already have it.

back to the triaditis issue, the vet said there is little to do directly dealing with pancreas, so liver support may help. that's why siujim is on the sam-e and vit e...

i realize pancreatitis can cause great pain, lack of appetite and lost of weight.
does it mean if siujim goes on regaining weight (this is also good news for diabetes) and eating ok. move around a lot, it means that she is improving?

I would think those are good signs. Let us know what the vet says.