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Bron and Sheba (GA)

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DD took Clover to a cat only vet for a second opinion for her retained first teeth and generally what she thought Clover was suffering from. DD said it was all a bit of a waste of time and money really.
The vet didn't think Clover had the cat flu but did have an allergic reaction to something. She now has very itchy paws and lower legs that look red and is continuing with the Zyrtec.
The vet made sweeping statements about the Amarican Shorthair breed.....her bedside manner was "different". She said that she wouldn't touch her teeth until she was at least 18 months old. I would have thought that removing the 1st teeth now would help the second teeth fall in to place more easily?????
She did say that Clover could have clymidia in her eyes, but there was nothing to do about it. DD asked her about zyrithromax ( Zithromax) which the breeder had said she gave to her cats. The vet said it was too harsh and wouldn't give it. Does anyone have any experience with this drug and have any opinion about it..?

Amazingly the cat only vet told DD that a raw diet was not suitable for a cat!!!....that dry food was much better and helped clean their teeth!

The vet also went ahead and gave her the third vaccination...DD questioned if it was a good idea when she was unwell....but the vet said she would be fine....just tired afterwards. DD texd and phoned me several times last night worried about Clover. She was extremely sleepy and didn't want to be touched...even growled and hissed...most unusual. She has not eaten since....now 24 hours....but DD said she is much better this morning but still not eating. ETA Just spoke with DD and she has eaten some food.
Needless to say DD won't be going back to that vet again.
Any opinions or suggestions on the above would be most appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Bron and Sheba said:
Zithromax
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Very powerful AB. Messed my world up for about 2 weeks when I was put on it.

Bron and Sheba said:
but DD said she is much better this morning but still not eating.
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If kitty hasn't eaten yet it is time to force feed. No good for them to not eat for 24 hours or more. It's like their brain shuts down and the longer they go without eating the harder it is to get them to start again.

Yeah, I wouldn't go back either. That stinks.
 
The thuja I posted a link to in your other post helps with vaccine side effects. I hope Clover will eat soon. Sending prayers.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
If kitty hasn't eaten yet it is time to force feed. No good for them to not eat for 24 hours or more. It's like their brain shuts down and the longer they go without eating the harder it is to get them to start again.
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@LizzieInTexas thanks for your reply and information. I have just spoken with DD and Clover has eaten....that's a relief! I will tell her about the A/B
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Previous post http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/ot-advice-needed-for-dds-kitty.180255/
She said that she wouldn't touch her teeth until she was at least 18 months old. I would have thought that removing the 1st teeth now would help the second teeth fall in to place more easily?????
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I'm a vet tech, and I am very interested in dentistry - I have never heard of anyone recommending to wait. We will wait for puppies and kittens to be over about 6-7 months, but then we recommend removing retained deciduous (baby) teeth. If you wait until 18 months, there is much more likelhood of problems to have already started.

Bron and Sheba said:
Amazingly the cat only vet told DD that a raw diet was not suitable for a cat!!!....that dry food was much better and helped clean their teeth!
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Unfortunately, a lot of vets feels this way :banghead: Mine have even made some outlandish responses like this, but they're coming around. It's a very old-school thought that kibble helps. I tell clients it's like us eating Captain Crunch every day - not gonna clean anyone's teeth! LOL.

Bron and Sheba said:
The vet also went ahead and gave her the third vaccination...DD questioned if it was a good idea when she was unwell....but the vet said she would be fine....just tired afterwards. DD texd and phoned me several times last night worried about Clover. She was extremely sleepy and didn't want to be touched...even growled and hissed...most unusual. She has not eaten since....now 24 hours....but DD said she is much better this morning but still not eating. ETA Just spoke with DD and she has eaten some food.
Needless to say DD won't be going back to that vet again.
Any opinions or suggestions on the above would be most appreciated. Thanks.
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Boo! We would not have vaccinated her with the symptoms she was brought in with - that's lame that they did. Poor girl! Sounds like she might have had a little vaccine reaction too - is this her last round? We do gets kitties react like that at times, but we usually pre-treat them with something to offset the reaction for the next vaccine.

Hope she is doing better now!!
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Has Clover been tested for FIP and FeLV?

http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/health_information/brochure_ftp.cfm
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No she hasn't, but I would be very surprised if she had that. She came from a breeder who only does it in a small way.....not many cats. DD spoke with the breeder's vet and he said her cats were very healthy. She has had no exposure to any cats except my one since March. Up until she suddenly had the pussy eyes, she was very active, eating well and growing normally. Her eating or acting normally was not effected by whatever she had only when she got the vaccine. But I will pass on this information to my DD thank you!
 
Tasha said:
I'm a vet tech, and I am very interested in dentistry - I have never heard of anyone recommending to wait. We will wait for puppies and kittens to be over about 6-7 months, but then we recommend removing retained deciduous (baby) teeth. If you wait until 18 months, there is much more likelhood of problems to have already started
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Thank you for that information! That's what we thought.
 
Tasha said:
Unfortunately, a lot of vets feels this way :banghead: Mine have even made some outlandish responses like this, but they're coming around. It's a very old-school thought that kibble helps. I tell clients it's like us eating Captain Crunch every day - not gonna clean anyone's teeth! LOL.
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Yes it is very frustrating to hear them recommend dry food. Fortunately my DD knows the benefits of canned or raw diet. But I feel for all the other clients how will probably listen to her.

Tasha said:
Boo! We would not have vaccinated her with the symptoms she was brought in with - that's lame that they did. Poor girl! Sounds like she might have had a little vaccine reaction too - is this her last round? We do gets kitties react like that at times, but we usually pre-treat them with something to offset the reaction for the next vaccine.
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Yes I was very surprised she gave the vaccine, especially when my DD questioned her about it. Yes this is her last one. My DD was very worried about her last night but she seems to be feeling better this morning. Thank you very much.
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Yes it is very frustrating to hear them recommend dry food. Fortunately my DD knows the benefits of canned or raw diet. But I feel for all the other clients how will probably listen to her.
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It is such a shame. The hard thing for me is that it gets people to lose trust in their veterinarians. It doesn't mean that they're wrong about all things, but they do get very little training in nutrition (and many will admit to that!). There are definitely good and bad vets, but poor practicing definitely discredits the profession in general, which is sad.

Bron and Sheba said:
Yes I was very surprised she gave the vaccine, especially when my DD questioned her about it. Yes this is her last one. My DD was very worried about her last night but she seems to be feeling better this morning. Thank you very much.
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At least it was her last one! Poor little girl.
 
Bron and Sheba said:
No she hasn't, but I would be very surprised if she had that. She came from a breeder who only does it in a small way.....not many cats. DD spoke with the breeder's vet and he said her cats were very healthy. She has had no exposure to any cats except my one since March. Up until she suddenly had the pussy eyes, she was very active, eating well and growing normally. Her eating or acting normally was not effected by whatever she had only when she got the vaccine. But I will pass on this information to my DD thank you!
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Just covering bases. I had a kitty that I lost to FL. She was about 4yo. Only symptom was conjunctivitis in 1 eye. She was a stray that i found as a kitten.
 
@Tasha
In your experience as a vet tech do most cats that present with red gums and crowded teeth end up having to have most or all of their teeth out eventually to get rid of the gingivitis?. Clover had perfectly normal gums and has eaten only a raw diet since DD got her at 4 months. She has had the red gums for about 2 weeks as far as we know although it could have been for longer and both the vets said she might/will end up needing to have all her teeth removed eventually to get rid of the gingivitis. All her teeth are beautiful and white and clean. I know having healthy gums is very important but surely something can be done to get her gums back to normal when her teeth are perfect...although crowded ( sigh!) Thanks
 
Bron and Sheba said:
@Tasha
In your experience as a vet tech do most cats that present with red gums and crowded teeth end up having to have most or all of their teeth out eventually to get rid of the gingivitis?. Clover had perfectly normal gums and has eaten only a raw diet since DD got her at 4 months. She has had the red gums for about 2 weeks as far as we know although it could have been for longer and both the vets said she might/will end up needing to have all her teeth removed eventually to get rid of the gingivitis. All her teeth are beautiful and white and clean. I know having healthy gums is very important but surely something can be done to get her gums back to normal when her teeth are perfect...although crowded ( sigh!) Thanks
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Hmm, it really depends. At such a young age, it's more likely to be something like stomatitis than gingivitis. Gingivitis of the gums tends to occur as pets age, and gather plaque and tartar on their teeth. Stomatitis is actually a disease, and often ends up requiring full mouth extractions to cure.

The overcrowding, however, COULD be the cause of gingivitis in a young cat. And further still, some cat's (and dog's) teeth LOOK great, white and clean, but can have problems going on under the gumline - need dental x-rays to evaluate what's beneath.

Something like stomatitis really needs a biopsy of the gum tissue to diagnose for sure.

Maybe looking into a dental specialist would be an option? They are the best of the best when it comes to oral problems.
 
Tasha said:
Hmm, it really depends. At such a young age, it's more likely to be something like stomatitis than gingivitis. Gingivitis of the gums tends to occur as pets age, and gather plaque and tartar on their teeth. Stomatitis is actually a disease, and often ends up requiring full mouth extractions to cure.

The overcrowding, however, COULD be the cause of gingivitis in a young cat. And further still, some cat's (and dog's) teeth LOOK great, white and clean, but can have problems going on under the gumline - need dental x-rays to evaluate what's beneath.

Something like stomatitis really needs a biopsy of the gum tissue to diagnose for sure.

Maybe looking into a dental specialist would be an option? They are the best of the best when it comes to oral problems.
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Thanks so much for all this information. It is very helpful.
 
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