On Giving Advice

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Thanks, Carolyn.. I think this is recently related to my thread last night.. sadly.. after asking my question twice.. it still never got answered.
O well.. I am not going to ask again - but appreciate the advice offered & hope everyone reads the reminders. Thankfully, I do not take advice from anybody except the advisors regarding dose.. so Baby & I are A ok.. I realize some newbies might listen to whomever posts though
 
No matter how long I am on here, there is always something new to learn...
I never give advice unless I have experienced it myself,
and I leave dosing advice to those more knowledgable than I am..
Please think before you speak..Yes a cat's life may depend on it--
And This is All About The Cats--Not EGOS!
 
I'd like to make a sincere request, that if I am crossing or do cross the line between offering thoughts and support and mucking things up, please, someone, tell me outright and don't make me guess! No kidding. I can deal with it. :)
 
Roni and Moonie said:
a cat's life may depend on it--
And This is All About The Cats--Not EGOS!
Ditto, ditto, ditto, and may I say, ditto.

Did you know? In a hospital setting, you have to have two licensed personnel to draw up and administer insulin (no matter what kind...)? Only heparin needs to have a double set of eyes on it on a general med floor...even morphine, or oxycontin, don't have to have 2 sets...

Well, *I* thought that was interesting.

Best-
Michele
 
sigh, new board really hates me. just spent 1/2 hour writing a post and lost it after hitting post! grrrrrrrrr. okay will retype, but gonna be a way shorter version!

nichole, i just read your PM and i cannot find a condo for you today so is okay if i answer here?

"***Question*** Bouncing is obviously not good, neither is surfing the 200s... is Baby better off not on Insulin & surfing the 200 range... or is it best to be on Insulin & have this bouncing around??"

who says bouncing is not good? there is nothing wrong with bouncing, it is a normal, natural phase (fondly referred to here as LTS~liver training school) that all diabetic cats must go through to get anywhere. if insulin was removed and she was allowed to just hang around the 200's what would happen is that the remaining functioning beta cells in her pancreas would get damaged and you would end up with a cat in very very high numbers with 'burnt out' beta cells and no chance of remission that would have to be on insulin forever. the opposite of what you want. everyone has to go through LTS, dropping out of school is not an option. (cause then she'll have to work at the car wash and live in a underground apt in the south bronx....well that's what my mom always said that is what happens to dropouts. lol).
every minute that she spends in normal numbers gives her pancreas time to heal. so she bounces afterward, is okay, she is suppose to at this point, only been on insulin for barely a month. rome wasn't built in a day and livers don't learn in a day.* but stay in school and study hard and one day she will graduate and then you'll have a SS that will cause nothing but smiles when you look at it. :-D really i see nothing in your SS that is concerning, in fact she is actually way ahead of the curve. suggest you go to the list of SS's and take a look at everyone's first month or two on insulin. we'll even slant it by looking at only the OTJ kitties SS's (hey there is over a 100 there alone). start with D/noisy's first month and you'll see what i mean by ahead of the curve. so many cats have to spend their first month working up to a dose that can enroll them in LTS, baby is lucky, she got a scholarship and went straight to school! really all is well here, i always tell people to follow their cat's lead. if cat is unconcerned about number on meter then you should be too. and really cat doesn't care if number is 50 or 250, the notes on the side of your SS even say that. this all just takes time. just keep showing her normal numbers whenever you can and give her pancreas the opportunity heal. k?
i hope that answered your question. was a good question, which many have asked or thought about before. remember regulation or remission although handed to a few on a silver platter (we've all seen the 2 shots and off insulin or 2 weeks and off insulin cats) for the vast majority of us we have to work for it. but there is nothing not one thing in baby's SS that says that either of those is not going to happen. so relax and hang in there, and enjoy your cat. she is healthy and that is what is important, those numbers will sort out as time passes and she moves up through the grades of LTS.
~jojo


* for others reading this, is it actually way more complicated that just blaming everything on 'the liver' but that short hand is really all that is needed to do manage a diabetic cat very successfully. for those that have the inclination and time and want to immerse themselves in the physiology of feline diabetes, by all means go for it, but it really won't help you manage your cat's diabetes any better. one doesn't need to know on a cellular level what is happening to read a SS. ;-)
 
Jojo, thank you for stopping by with this explanation.
A light just went on in my head about my concerns about the liver's reactions and the high numbers.
Hope you are feeling better too.
 
OMG i just read that thread from 2/7 and must say again, please, no more references to "the advisors," experienced advisor, expert, etc. we are not experts. we are laypeople without veterinary licenses, for the most part. to indicate otherwise is dangerous and could cause trouble for FDMB.

and people with relatively newly diagnosed cats, please refrain from giving advice. concentrate on support, not dosing suggestions. please. some people don't get many responses on their threads. how bout looking for them instead just to provide some cheer and let them know someone has noticed their thread, or even to bump the thread up for experienced eyes?

there is no official dosing advisor list. do your research. check people's profiles. wait to get to know people, how long they've been doing this, and whether they have sound judgment before deciding whether their instincts can be helpful. just because someone speaks in an authoritative tone does not mean he/she has the knowledge/experience to back that up. don't just stay on fdmb, either -- research yourself on the web. there's a lot to learn and every bit you learn can be targeted for your cat.

this is so worrisome.
hoping certain people do not hop on this and cause trouble. we really need to self monitor.
 
"O well.. I am not going to ask again - but appreciate the advice offered & hope everyone reads the reminders. Thankfully, I do not take advice from anybody except the advisors regarding dose.. so Baby & I are A ok.. I realize some newbies might listen to whomever posts though"

This was my question, too, in reading one of the threads. As a newbie, I was wondering who are the "Advisors." I've gotten a lot of good help here any time I've posted a question, and if someone didn't know the answer, my thread was bumped up. I keep in close contact with the Vet, too,
 
Hi Ann,

There are no "advisors." This is a collection of people who have gathered forces to support one another through the process of treating their diabetic kitties. Those with much more experience are kind enough to offer their opinions to us newbies. Since there is a constant parade of people through here, you have various folks in all stages of newbie-dom to old-timer-dom!

If you want to judge whose opinion is likely to come from the most experience, I would say take a look at their ss and see:
-- how long they have been here
-- how closely they are or were following the protocol themselves.
Of course, to do that, you have to really understand the protocol, and that is a good thing all around!

Also, take a look and see how well they explain their opinions and how often they agree with other people of similar experience. I know it can be confusing, but we have to keep in mind for everyone's sake that this is not a professional site. It is a support community and we are all here to provide data and to learn from past experience with the data.
 
(((JoJo))) :YMHUG:
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I sure appreicate you taking the time to answer my question - it really meant everything to me. I am going to read & reread to make sure I get it. Angels on this board make the sugar dance all worth while. Baby is doing good & doing just what she is supposed to be doing, so I will consider myself blessed & let her sugar dance take as long as needed & not rush her.

Baby is no dropout & she is going to graduate... I will have a talk with her to make sure she understands that!! party_cat
 
JOJO:" for others reading this, is it actually way more complicated that just blaming everything on 'the liver' but that short hand is really all that is needed to do manage a diabetic cat very successfully. for those that have the inclination and time and want to immerse themselves in the physiology of feline diabetes, by all means go for it, but it really won't help you manage your cat's diabetes any better. one doesn't need to know on a cellular level what is happening to read a SS. "

I have been helped by Jojo & Jill since I came here--And all that time I was told, Look at the whole cat, ECID, and other such things which really saved me & Moonie, when she was so ill...Practical things.
They never went into the medical school analysis I see here now, It Was Common Sense advice...
Yes it is good to know the physical workings of this illness, But not all day every day!!!
My questions were answered in one or 2 sentences, and usually that was the crux of the problem Moonie had.
Sometimes, the simple way is the right one..Let's keep it simple!!!
 
If you want to judge whose opinion is likely to come from the most experience, I would say take a look at their ss and see:
-- how long they have been here
-- how closely they are or were following the protocol themselves.
Of course, to do that, you have to really understand the protocol, and that is a good thing all around!

Also, take a look and see how well they explain their opinions and how often they agree with other people of similar experience. I know it can be confusing, but we have to keep in mind for everyone's sake that this is not a professional site. It is a support community and we are all here to provide data and to learn from past experience with the data
Thanks Lydia,
That helps greatly with the information you provided.
 
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