Numbers Dropping Worried: Shoot or Not?

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Louellen

Louellen

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I'm so new to this that I'm confused and need some guidance.
Morrigan's numbers are beginning to come down. She's still in the yellow zone but, coming in right at the bottom of it in the mornings now.
This morning, her numbers (about a half hour after eating) were 11.7 (211) then, after eating a bit more (about 15 minutes later), 12.1.
I called vet but, regular vet wasn't in today. Fill in vet said to give full dose of 1 unit but, re-test in 1 to 2 hours from injection.

If anyone might look at Morrigan's spreadsheet in my signature and tell me what they think please. (I have an appointment tomorrow early evening with the regular vet to go over numbers).

Do I continue on with the 1 unit? Fill-in vet said that if it is at 10 tonight...not to shoot at all and see tomorrow where she is at. There won't be a vet in past 4 p.m. today and it's now 1:13 so, if I run into trouble...it's going to be an ER visit.

Please give me guidelines if you can. I know this is still a high number and shouldn't be worried about so much but, I'm panicking as I'm seeing her numbers dropping now.

Thank you.
 
Hi Louellen,

I don't use Lantus so can't advise on dosage. But I'm going to tag April to see if she can help @manxcat419
Alternatively, are you able to post on the Lantus forum for advice? You're more likely to catch the attention of 'Lantus eyes' that way.

When is Morrigan's shot due?

Eliz
 
Have you managed to get any readings since that 211 this morning to see where the 1 unit has taken her from that starting point today? I know she's not always the easiest to test, so if you haven't been able to, we'll work with the data you can get. :)

When it gets to her evening shot time, if you can post her pre shot number back on this thread (that way I'll see it as I'm watching this post now) then we can figure out whether to give her shot and, if so, whether it's a full dose or a reduced dose for tonight. If you finish up shooting a lower number than you have done previously tonight, I will stay with you here to make sure you don't run into trouble with her. It would be lovely to see her get into blue numbers, but we have to do it safely too bearing in mind that Morrigan isn't going to appreciate frequent tests. :bighug:
 
@manxcat419 Thank you so very much! I really, really appreciate you being here.

I re-tested her at the 1 hour and 50 minute post shot point (hard to get it as she was upset big time at me for it) but, glad that I did. She was up at 16.9 (309), had been sleeping and had eaten more just after I typed out the above panic post. BUT...I am going to take a mid-cycle test and a PMPS test and see where we're at. She was pretty upset at having to have another test done and hard to hold but, I got it...after 3 pokes (poor thing).

So, I guess we're not really in that "danger zone" by far. I will see where the mid-cycle takes us as that and the PMPS reading are usually the lower ones for the day. I think there's no panic but, I'm going to see the vet tomorrow with the spreadsheet printed out and if there is any doubt, I'm going to ask to stay the same for now...or at least, another week or...only work with another .5 unit increase if he feels it's necessary.

I think she got into the dog treats too which may account for the higher number. (Dog didn't finish his treat (higher carb for sure) and left it, unbeknownst to me until I caught her chowing down on it...always watching for things like this but, she got into it this time and don't know exactly how much of it she'd eaten before I swooped it away from her...claws, hisses, growls, swats and all at me for it.)

But, I will keep things updated (having trouble getting blood to pool from her today for some reason...even when I can get her in an arm-lock???)

At what level do I worry? Fill-in vet (not sure about her) said not to shoot if she's at a 10 until I talk to her regular vet. Not sure what that is in U.S. numbers???

Thank you so very, very much! I feel more secure, knowing that people are here in my moments of panic. :banghead::bighug:
 
It sounds as though she'll be just fine today as she's rising at this point, but yes I'd agree a couple more tests to make sure would be a good idea. :)

Things like getting into the dog treats happen - she'll get back on track with it. And of course if it's food she knows she shouldn't have, she'll be possessive over it too! :rolleyes:

10 in international numbers is 180 on the US scale so your vet isn't too far off the 200 we use as a no-shoot number unless you have all the supplies you need and can have someone stay with you in case she drops low. :)

And absolutely no problem - just shout out any time you need help or if you're not sure what to do at shot time. We'll figure it out. :) I hope you manage to get the other tests in today without too much drama (though Morrigan does seem to be one who likes a little drama so far)!
 
Hi Louellen,
Regarding blood glucose numbers; those of us outside the US can (grab a calculator and) multiply our numbers by 18 to get the US equivalent. Those inside the US can divide by 18 to get 'rest of the world' numbers. :cat:
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Her numbers are still pretty high. Take a look at my SS and see if that helps. I did not follow the don't shoot under 200 , you need to do what in your comfort level. If she's at or over 200 tonight I would be shooting but that me.
 
Robin-S said:
I did not follow the don't shoot under 200 , you need to do what in your comfort level.
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Agreed, on both points. Most of us will shoot anything above 50 in the end, but Morrigan is tricky for testing so it may be too soon for Louellen to shoot low just yet. I think in the end it'll have to be a decision based on the numbers later on and how Morrigan has been for testing today as to whether Louellen feels up to shooting a lower number (and getting the extra tests that requires of course) if one shows up. :)
 
Wow @Robin-S I am so in awe of all of you for your seeming "nerves of steel". I looked at your cats' numbers and am amazed at how you shot with insulin at those numbers as well as how quickly your cats came down...unless I'm missing prior sheets where numbers were higher??? That's truly amazing and awe inspiring! I hope to get there as well. I've been giving Morrigan the insulin for just about 3 weeks today. And, let me say that Morrigan has been a challenge to say the least. I'm not wimpy about doing what needs to be done for her...though I'm a nervous wreck because SHE (as Manxcat has to aptly described her :) )...the "Drama Queen". Clipping her claws requires sedation (MINE) ;) Seriously, she is a handful and it takes both Hubby and I to get anything done with her. Hubby needs to practically kneel or lay across her. The vet...he can do just about anything to her...to a certain point whereby even HE has to stand back and let her have her hissy fit, put on a thick leather muzzle, wrap her like a Burrito in 6 layered towels (not joking) before he can finish up with her sometimes. I've seen him go red in the face, sweat and stand back. Literally. I can only hug him and say, "see...this is what WE face ALL of the time with her!" I think that's why he tells me to do the curve at home and ONLY do it every 4 hours vs every 2 hours like most do???

Thank you so much for your input on this. It really does help tremendously for this basket case Sugar Kitty Mom here.

(I really have earned Mother's Day this year! ;) )
 
@manxcat419 ...I'm working my nerve up to do the mid-cycle number in a few minutes (waiting for hubby to finish work to help me this time before i have a nervous break down, trying again. For some odd reason, her ears are just not giving me much bleeding today? It's odd. I did recognize that what others have said about ears bleeding more, the more you do it, was correct but, TODAY...because I really NEED to do it...not so much. She's frustrated, I'm a wreck and I'm ready to cry, scream or both.

But, I have to thank you ever so much for acknowledging the issues that I face with her. I know technically that I should be doing more testing and I wish that I had the nerve to play with dosages but...like you've so wisely and rightfully acknowledged...frequent testing with Morrigan is not something that's an easy feat so, I'm not as brave or able as most of you are (YET...I hope that is the operative word here) to get as many tests as most of you can get from your kitties. I'm trying. I really am. (My blood pressure is way up there now!)

So, she's just chowed down on a bit of food and I'm going to set up to try this again and PRAY to get some blood this time...even warming, massaging etc. isn't working today.

Oh...and by the way, I just heard back from a pharmacist that the Bayer Contour Next, has strips at the same cost as the ones I'm using BUT...blood can be re-applied if I don't get enough the 1st time. I'm going through strips like there's no tomorrow! Today, I've gone through nearly $6.00 worth. Yikes! I think I'm going to invest in the new ones, which cost the same as the ones I'm using (within $2.00/100).

Ok...off to try again! Can't say that I'm not trying anyways. :) Will report back.
 
Some days are tougher than others - and while Morrigan doesn't want to cooperate, that makes it even tougher. There were times I'd need more than one attempt to get blood - even now sometimes I miss the ideal spot altogether on the first try and have to take a second attempt. All you can do is try - if you can't get a test now, then leave it a little while for her to calm down and try again later. We had a similar issue with Rosa when she suddenly decided that I was the only person who was allowed to test her - I was working and Michael had been doing tests during the mornings but he had to stop because she was really getting very bad tempered with him and had scratched him a few times (and Rosa really isn't a scratchy cat) so I do understand how difficult it can be. Michael is in no way scared of cats - he's owned them all his life but in the end he had to admit defeat with her because she reached the point where even when it wasn't test time, she wouldn't let him anywhere near her (of course as soon as he stopped trying to test her she was back to being his best friend :rolleyes:).

I owned a cat once that I practically had to pin to the floor and sit on to get any sort of medication into her - Morrigan sounds as though she's that sort of a fighter too!

You will get there with her - it takes longer with some cats than with others. The important thing is that we keep her safe until she realizes that testing is inevitable and stops fighting - if that means you have to keep a higher no shot limit for now, then at least you know she's safe. :)

I feel your pain on the cost of wasted test strips - when I was testing frequently, I hated getting those "insufficient sample" errors because I felt like I was just throwing money away. Strips that you can re-apply the blood to should definitely help with that - anything you can find that makes things easier has to be worth trying. :bighug:
 
@manxcat419 :)

Just love your patience and understanding. I have been beating myself up because I can't do what so many members in here can do with their cats and yet...I keep on trying and hoping that she'll one day...as you've said...calm down and recognize that it's inevitable that she's going to be tested and injected and just RELAX so that I can relax.

Hubby refuses to test. He doesn't have the stomach for it and yet...he's diabetic himself and tests himself with no problem? I'm not getting him but...well, right now...as long as I'm able to do it, he is quite happy. I fear not being home at the times needed to do it. Hubby would shoot blindly. Ha....I had to prove to myself what it felt like for Morrigan to get her needles so, I took one (as an insulin dependent diabetic patient would do) and stuck myself 3 times with the needle, showing Hubby. I felt nothing really and I knew I was doing it to myself. I also test my own blood sugar from time to time as I do go hypo (not diabetic though but do have hypogylcemia). Hubby thought I was insane (I didn't inject anything of course...just used the needle to pierce my skin). Hubby would NOT try it and left the room, feeling nauseous. He thought I was nuts but, now I know that Morrigan feels virtually nothing with these shots or very, very little if anything. I think the loves, pats and attention as well as her focus being on getting a treat after or during also works well.

Anyways, I took the mid-cycle reading (now that we're completely off schedule and will be up late tonight). She was at 14.8 (after having eaten 20 minutes prior) or 266 U.S..
So, it looks like her numbers are all over the place and I won't have to worry about her much tonight but, will yet again, do my best to get a PMPS reading before shooting. It seems that she's going down, then has these "upswings". Not sure what is going on??? Or, maybe it was getting into the remaining dog treat that brought it up? Or, maybe, she's fluctuating? The vet said that it sounds as though she's responding to the insulin but, now....I'm thinking that she's definitely going to need an increase and put me through more worry. Tomorrow I will see the vet with the SS numbers and notes printed out and she will have a fructosamine level done as well.

And, yes...I think those new strips will certainly cut down on the cost of "Error Code Waste". The pharmacist suggested that since Hubby is diabetic and requires testing, that we switch him over as well and therefore, our insurance might cover them...or, at least more of the cost. I think that is what we will do.

I will take one more reading tonight.

I cannot thank you enough. I really can't. I don't know how but, I will try hard to "play it forward" as I learn more and try to help others as well...especially, in honour of your help for me. :)

HUGS!
 
You have to remember that everyone who joins this board is already trying so much harder than most people - from what I can find out, so many owners still shoot insulin blind and go completely by numbers the vet is able to get to work out what is going on with their cats. You're already way, way ahead of that plan - and you are getting some successful tests, which is great news! :)

I can see why you don't follow Hubby's refusal to test or shoot Morrigan - I'd have thought someone who has to test themselves would find it easier, not more difficult. But everyone's different and as long as he'll help you to get done what needs doing, that's probably all you can ask him for now. He may come around to realizing he can test her once she starts to be a little calmer about it - maybe it's because she's upset that he feels as though he can't do that to her at the moment. Michael and I have both self-tested to make sure the meter we have is working properly. I'd already caught myself accidentally a couple of times with the lancet so I don't find it too bad, but he thought it was fairly painful! ;) Though I agree, having also accidentally stabbed my finger with an insulin needle, those don't hurt at all - nothing like the huge needle we use for our Shadow's sub-q fluids (I managed to put one of those straight through my finger one day...now that one really did hurt)!!

It looks as though she should be fine to get her shot by tonight - if she's hanging around in the yellow/low pink range I don't think she's going to dive from there. The gradual drop and then rise towards the next shot time is a standard Lantus cycle - she's not getting as low at nadir as would be ideal, but that's something you can work on later once she'll let you test her a bit more reliably.

What a great idea to get your Hubby using the same strips - if you can get them covered by insurance that would help a lot with the ongoing costs. The strips finish up being the most expensive part once you've bought the insulin so a saving on those would be a great thing to have!! :)

You'll find you do have the knowledge fairly quickly to help other people. I'd never have thought I'd be able to learn enough to help at all, but it's surprising how much information you pick up as you go along that you can use to help others who are just starting out. That's the great thing about this board - while everyone keeps helping with the information they have, it makes it so much easier for anyone new to find out everything they need to know. :) Thank you so much for the kind words - it really does make my day to know I've managed to help because I really do enjoy helping people where I can! :) :bighug:
 
My cats were not the normal case. I'm the only one who believes there was something wrong with their hard food causing them to become diabetic and once we changed the food and gave insulin it was enough to get things working again.

As to nerves of steel , I was terrified every step of the way . It was folks on here that helped me through it all.
As far as shooting anything above 50 I certainly would never do that. My vet told me don't shoot if under 100 , I guess I have to go back and look just what I did.....haven't looked at their sheet in some time.
Wishing you the best of luck and if I can help you in any way just holler ❤️
 
I think the lowest I shot was a 57 - but by then I had a ton of data on Rosa and I knew, without any doubt at all, that I could get as many tests as I needed to and get her back up if necessary as I'd already been through numbers in the 30s and 40s with her a number of times. And of course I had a ton of support from people here too who were looking out for me to make sure Rosa and I were doing OK...that really makes a big difference! :)

And I agree, the whole process is scary. All the way up to Rosa's last shot, I still got that fearful adrenaline rush when I saw her numbers start to drop. Shooting all the way down into the 50s and 60s isn't for everyone and it depends very much on how your cat reacts to shots at those lower starting levels. The whole thing is a learning process and we all have different limits as to what we can cope with. I was terrified the first time I shot a number below 300 as Rosa spent so long in the "HI" zone so I do know how it feels to see those pre-shot numbers starting to fall.

And awesome work with Dasher and Blitzen getting them OTJ so quickly!! :D
 
manxcat419 said:
You have to remember that everyone who joins this board is already trying so much harder than most people - from what I can find out, so many owners still shoot insulin blind and go completely by numbers the vet is able to get to work out what is going on with their cats. You're already way, way ahead of that plan - and you are getting some successful tests, which is great news! :)

I can see why you don't follow Hubby's refusal to test or shoot Morrigan - I'd have thought someone who has to test themselves would find it easier, not more difficult. But everyone's different and as long as he'll help you to get done what needs doing, that's probably all you can ask him for now. He may come around to realizing he can test her once she starts to be a little calmer about it - maybe it's because she's upset that he feels as though he can't do that to her at the moment. Michael and I have both self-tested to make sure the meter we have is working properly. I'd already caught myself accidentally a couple of times with the lancet so I don't find it too bad, but he thought it was fairly painful! ;) Though I agree, having also accidentally stabbed my finger with an insulin needle, those don't hurt at all - nothing like the huge needle we use for our Shadow's sub-q fluids (I managed to put one of those straight through my finger one day...now that one really did hurt)!!

It looks as though she should be fine to get her shot by tonight - if she's hanging around in the yellow/low pink range I don't think she's going to dive from there. The gradual drop and then rise towards the next shot time is a standard Lantus cycle - she's not getting as low at nadir as would be ideal, but that's something you can work on later once she'll let you test her a bit more reliably.

What a great idea to get your Hubby using the same strips - if you can get them covered by insurance that would help a lot with the ongoing costs. The strips finish up being the most expensive part once you've bought the insulin so a saving on those would be a great thing to have!! :)

You'll find you do have the knowledge fairly quickly to help other people. I'd never have thought I'd be able to learn enough to help at all, but it's surprising how much information you pick up as you go along that you can use to help others who are just starting out. That's the great thing about this board - while everyone keeps helping with the information they have, it makes it so much easier for anyone new to find out everything they need to know. :) Thank you so much for the kind words - it really does make my day to know I've managed to help because I really do enjoy helping people where I can! :) :bighug:
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Please don't EVER doubt how much power and beauty you have in helping others. :)
Most of us come here, bewildered, scared, frustrated, shocked, panicked and looking for help, advice, knowledge and everything that you so generously provide to everyone....especially, us "newbies" who are total wrecks. :)

I did phone the vet but, you know what? The FIRST place that I came to after that, was here...only to find you and others, so willing, hopeful, helpful and kind enough to stop me from a full blown panic attack. Just knowing that I'm not alone and especially, your offer to be there for me should I need it...even through late hours, was SO very soothing.
You ARE making a difference. A HUGE difference and doing it all from love, for no pay, no new cars or vacations like our vets get from us...just pure love and care for these kitties and us, as their parents.

And, you are right...I think eventually, should Hubby HAVE to test, he would. I think he just figures that as long as I'm here to do it...why should he? He never had animals in his life until he met and married me. Now his life has been built around them all and honestly...as much as it seems as though he's sometimes being stubborn...I can see that he truly does feel like he's hurting her somehow and can't stand to do that to her. I know it needs to be done to save her life so, I do it. I don't like it anymore than he does but, one of us has to be "cruel to be kind" ;)

I think she's going to be fine tonight too. I'm going to try to take another reading pre-shot tonight. If I can't get one more tonight....I don't think I need to worry about it. It's highly unlikely at these numbers that she's going to drop to any dangerous levels now. Isn't it ironic how we pray to get to these lower numbers but, panic when we do? It's like being in new territory that we don't know how to handle fully yet but, want them there.
I agree though..her numbers are still too high and I'm expecting a raise in the insulin level from the vet after tomorrow's visit. Then, I can panic some more! ;)

HUGS and Many, many thanks!!!!
 
Robin-S said:
My cats were not the normal case. I'm the only one who believes there was something wrong with their hard food causing them to become diabetic and once we changed the food and gave insulin it was enough to get things working again.

As to nerves of steel , I was terrified every step of the way . It was folks on here that helped me through it all.
As far as shooting anything above 50 I certainly would never do that. My vet told me don't shoot if under 100 , I guess I have to go back and look just what I did.....haven't looked at their sheet in some time.
Wishing you the best of luck and if I can help you in any way just holler ❤️
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Thank you, Robin. :bighug: But, I still say that you had to have nerves of steel and determination to do what you did and get those numbers down, shooting while in really uncomfortable territory (for me anyways). :)
 
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manxcat419 said:
I think the lowest I shot was a 57 - but by then I had a ton of data on Rosa and I knew, without any doubt at all, that I could get as many tests as I needed to and get her back up if necessary as I'd already been through numbers in the 30s and 40s with her a number of times. And of course I had a ton of support from people here too who were looking out for me to make sure Rosa and I were doing OK...that really makes a big difference! :)

And I agree, the whole process is scary. All the way up to Rosa's last shot, I still got that fearful adrenaline rush when I saw her numbers start to drop. Shooting all the way down into the 50s and 60s isn't for everyone and it depends very much on how your cat reacts to shots at those lower starting levels. The whole thing is a learning process and we all have different limits as to what we can cope with. I was terrified the first time I shot a number below 300 as Rosa spent so long in the "HI" zone so I do know how it feels to see those pre-shot numbers starting to fall.

And awesome work with Dasher and Blitzen getting them OTJ so quickly!! :D
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AMEN...that's "it"! It's the shooting below the numbers you're used to seeing! You hit that nail right on the head. :)

That's what was so panicky for me today. I saw her numbers dropping the past couple of days and those were newer for me. I was used to the levels she was at and was comfortable shooting while in those ranges. However, when she started the day off with the lowest number I've ever gotten from her...I was shocked and didn't know what to do? Do I lower the dosage? Then, I had to stop for a moment and realize that I didn't have any syringes because I use the SoloStar Pen Injector and it only goes by full units. At 1 unit...I couldn't go any lower and didn't know whether I should or shouldn't.

Tomorrow, after the vet, I am going to stop and pick up syringes. I haven't used them in over a decade but, I'm sure it will come back to me again fairly quickly. And frankly, it took some getting used to the pen style injector. I wasn't used to it at all. Now, I'm more comfortable with it but, I see the value in having the syringes as it allows smaller dosages and half to quarter units....which would be an extra security blanket if needed. :)
 
I agree - if your Hubby had no choice but to test, he'd test. He'd do it for you and he'd do it for Morrigan so that she can be safe and you don't have to worry. :)

I do think Morrigan will be just fine tonight - but if anything worries you, I'm here and so are many others and we'll all help you whenever you need it. :) If you can get a pre shot test, that's great but if you can't or if Morrigan is really objecting to the idea and you just don't want to stress her and you out any more, I really do think you'll be fine to give her her usual dose...and I promise you I wouldn't say that if I had the slightest doubt that she'll be safe based on her previous numbers. I actually think that helping because we love animals and love helping people is the reason that this board is so successful - we all just want to make a difference to someone's day and I know, for me, if I can go to bed at night knowing that I've made someone else's day just a little easier that's the best feeling in the world! :D

Please believe me when I tell you that I had the most dreadful panicky moments especially when Rosa was first diagnosed - everything scared me...she was too high, too low (in the low 300s because I wasn't used to it), just didn't seem right...you name it, I worried about it. I had so much help and support from everyone here even on the days when there wasn't really anything wrong. I remember very well the day Rosa first hung around in the 60s and 70s for hours - I was terrified that there was something wrong with her because up until then she'd been a "high dive and bounce" kitty...then someone pointed out to me that she was learning to surf and it was actually a very good thing! So please don't ever think that your concerns aren't important enough to ask people here - if you're worried, for any reason at all, then we're here to help even if all we can do is offer reassurance that it really is going to be OK! :)

I'm sure you will remember the routine with the syringes very quickly. I'd only ever used them to measure human-size doses before Rosa was diagnosed, but it wasn't too much of an adjustment to get used to reading off much smaller doses than I'd ever worked with before. And it will, definitely, make it easier for you to adjust doses slightly when you need to - where a 1 unit increase can feel like (and can be) too much, having the flexibility to increase or decrease by tiny amounts does make the whole process of increasing a dose much safer and gentler.
 
Thank you, Manxcat....now I need a new keyboard for sure. I've just drenched it with tears of gratitude at the kindness, help and support. :) <3
 
@manxcat419 Thank you...I've dried out my keyboard ;) I'm ok. I buy tissues by the bulk now. ;)

@Robin-S ...I am doing that now...keeping a mini-curve. I had Morrigan at the vet's yesterday to get a fructosamine level done and he was quite impressed by the SS (as a lot of members are finding their vets saying :) ).
He gave me a guideline for now (no shot under 10 world units for one shot) then, keep an eye on her levels. He's also seeing them dropping as we go along and the curve changing to lower numbers so, he's waiting to see the test levels. He is also one to be cautious apparently about shooting numbers. He was saying that her body *may* be responding and the insulin receptors starting to wake up a bit with the dosage she's on so, he wants to take it safely for now and give it until he's seen the test results. He didn't up the dosage yesterday as he said the numbers are lower than they were and still coming down. I'm a little relieved as I'm afraid to leave the house. I don't know how some members shoot so low but, I think by keeping a close eye and charting on the SS will give us all a better gauge on which way to go with this.

Thank you both so very much! (Where's the heart icon?) :)
 
I'm so happy to hear about your good vet visit! :D I agree, Morrigan does look to be responding to the insulin - it takes time, but any progress is a very positive thing! :) And I absolutely agree - safety first has to be the motto with our kitties. I understand only too well about being afraid to leave the house - I went through a good few weeks like that with my husband and our housemate and his GF dragging me out at least for an hour or two to go and get food once in a while to stop me staying home all the time! It is all a balancing act - you can see how many of Rosa's shots I had to skip towards the end when I had to be out of the house most of the day for work. If I wasn't 110% sure she'd be OK, I skipped the shot - I had to...how could I have been productive at work if I was spending the whole day worrying about whether or not she was OK?

You're doing an awesome job with Morrigan - you're getting a good amount of testing done on a very difficult cat and you should be proud of how well you're managing to get that done! :) :bighug:

BTW, I don't think we have a heart icon in the emoticons box...though I do think it's something that would be nice to have - I know there are many occasions I'd have used it if I could!
 
Thank you so much. I'm just feeling supported and have hope that I will get used to this as will she. Though this morning, I had to spend 20 minutes searching for her. She knows now that she eats in the morning and it's test and shot time so, she eats and runs. Very obnoxious house mate. ;) That put her shot 10 to 15 minutes later but, I got done what needed to be done...through hissing, growling, snarling etc.. And, believe it or not, she is SO good at the vet's. They can practically swing her by the tail and she won't make a move. But, every once in awhile, she'll take a swing at the vet and he stands back, hands up in the air, shaking his head. I don't know who they think is more nuts...me or her! ;)

I did pack myself a cold can of diet Pepsi as a treat for myself on the way home. (It also keep the insulin cooler as he wanted to see the pen I was using) Morrigan got a treat on her way home in her crate too. But, the vet said, (as I pulled the pen out of the insulated bag with the pop in it)...."you didn't bring ME a BEER?" I had to laugh and tell him that I drank it on the way there! The vet tech in the room was laughing and telling me to bring her a Diet Pepsi too. I think I'll go in next time with a beer for the vet, 2 Diet Pepsis and Morrigan's treats. I may pack a picnic lunch next. ;)

But, with the bills we all amass....I'd say that our vets owe US a lunch and a beer! ;)

Hey...do they take cats at restaurants in crates? If I could take her with me...I might go out more. ;)
 
It's tricky when they learn the routine and run off just when it's testing time. And of course you don't want to change the routine too much or she'll reach the point where she hides all the time because she doesn't know when the test and shot are coming. My civvie, Regan, is very well behaved at the vet but Rosa is so, so bad tempered when she's there. My old vet, in the UK, reached the point where he wouldn't even examine her unless it was completely necessary (though I do think that's how she finished up needing so much dental work last year). Even at her annual check-ups, he'd look in the carrier, she'd growl, he'd ask if she seemed well and if I said yes, he'd move right on to giving Regan her check-up!

I think you've earned every treat you allow yourself at the moment - and then some! And I agree, I think all our vets probably owe us at the least lunch and a beer with the amount that we finish up spending on our kitties! ;) Though I think I'd also take beer and Diet Pepsi for them next time - anything that creates some humor in the day has to be a good thing! :)
 
I was thinking I should take 2 beer....
I can drink one before I pay THE BILL! ;)

(Won't change the bill but, might take some of the pain away...at least, until my credit card statement comes in! ;) )
 
I always tested in the morning right before I feed and then I would shoot as they were eating, they were so focused on the food they didn't care they were getting a shot. Since she eats in the morning can you grab a test before feeding?
 
Robin-S said:
I always tested in the morning right before I feed and then I would shoot as they were eating, they were so focused on the food they didn't care they were getting a shot. Since she eats in the morning can you grab a test before feeding?
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I have tried that way, Robin-S but, she holds a grudge big time. My previous diabetic cat had no issues in doing that. I could put down his food and shoot and be confident that he was so engrossed in his meal that he'd not even notice I was there or shooting.

Morrigan though...the moment she even thinks something is going to happen...she runs and then, won't eat at all! She's such a little holy terror that I sometimes feel like she's got control over me, not the other way around. I think she's smarter than me too because just when I think I've outsmarted her....she outsmarts me! :)
 
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