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Hello all, I am new here, I have a cat who was diagnosed with diabetes a week ago..They sent out blood work on Saturday and it came back on Tuesday, They called and said he was diabetic and we made the appointment for today, to start insulin..The problem is he is not eating, today he was dehydrated, so they subcutaneous fluids, gave a antibiotic and b12 shot, also appetite stimulant.. I have already mad a appointment with another vet, They tell me it is probably something else wrong?I have been feeding fancy feast pate, but he will take like 4 bites then walk away.. Any advice would be appreciated..
Thank YOu
 
Well no ketones and pancreas was good and his glucose was 250 compared to 398 on saturday, but the vet did say he has fatty liver and he has a little jaundice, so they gave him cerenia and famotidine and now my biggest hurdle is to get him to eat..I will syringe feed him and hope his appetite picks, otherwise they said hospitaliztion with iv or a stomach tube..
 
Oh Blitzey! I have a girl named Blitz!

Red was kind enough to send me this. Sounds like he shouldn't be on an appetite stimulant right now.

From:
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/dige...ase-in-small-animals/feline-hepatic-lipidosis

Nutritional support is the cornerstone of recovery (see Nutrition in Hepatic Disease in Small Animals). Feeding is initiated after the cat is rehydrated and has reasonable electrolyte balance, because these are requisite factors enabling normal enteric motility. Because cats with HL are in metabolic liver failure, appetite stimulants are inappropriate; diazepam, oxazepam, cyproheptidine, and mirtazepine should not be used and will not recover an affected cat. Occasionally, an appetite stimulant may help initiate feeding early in syndrome development.

A palatable odiferous food should be offered initially. If the cat salivates or objects, all food should be removed because of the risk of inducing a "food aversion syndrome." If oral feeding is not tolerated, feeding a liquid diet (eg, CliniCare®) with supplements via a nasoesophageal tube is cautiously initiated as a first step. A 5–10 mL volume of tepid water is administered first to assess the cat’s tolerance and response. If no vomiting or signs of discomfort are noted, the process is repeated with liquefied food. After a few days of nasoesophageal feeding, if the cat is judged to be a reasonable anesthetic risk, an esophagostomy tube (E-tube) is placed with the distal tip 2–4 cm craniad to the esophageal-gastric junction. This should be documented with a lateral thoracic radiograph.

A high-protein, calorie-dense, balanced feline diet is recommended for E-tube feeding. Only rarely should a protein-restricted diet be used, because protein restriction can aggravate hepatic lipid accumulation. Rather, use of lactulose and oral amoxicillin or low-dose metronidazole (7.5 mg/kg, bid) can optimize nitrogen tolerance to allow feeding of a normal feline diet (these measures modify enteric flora, substrate utilization, and increase colonic catharsis or cleansing). A number of metabolic supplements have improved recovery of affected cats: taurine (250–500 mg/cat/day), medical grade liquid oral l-carnitine (250–500 mg/cat/day), vitamin E (10 IU/kg/day), and potassium gluconate (if hypokalemia is persistent).

Initial feedings are small and given frequently or by constant-rate infusion. On the first day, one-third to one-half of the cat’s energy requirements are fed; the amount fed is then gradually increased over the next 2–4 days to the ideal intake. If vomiting occurs, electrolytes must be rechecked, feeding tube position verified, and factors relevant to the underlying disease process considered. Metoclopramide (0.05–0.1 mg/kg, IM, up to tid, or 0.25–0.5 mg/kg divided per day as a constant-rate infusion), ondansetron (0.025 mg/kg, IV, up to bid), or maropitant (1 mg/kg/day, no more than 5 days) may be used as antiemetics. Enteric motility may be stimulated by exercise during owner visits.

To avert development of hypophosphatemia induced by re-feeding, which can cause weakness, hemolysis, encephalopathy, and other adverse effects, serum phosphorus concentrations should be serially monitored and supplemental potassium phosphate judiciously provided. Routine IV potassium phosphate supplementation is administered when feeding is initiated to obviate persistent or feeding-induced hypophosphatemia. If gastritis is suspected, an H2-blocker (eg, famotidine or ranitidine) may be used, and carafate administered PO (but not via E-tube). If the cat tolerates oral medications, SAMe at 40 mg/kg/day is given between meals once N-acetylcysteine treatment is completed. SAMe supplementation must be accompanied by sufficient B12, folate, and other water-soluble vitamins to ensure optimal metabolic benefit (metabolism to glutathione and methyl group donation for transmethylation reactions). Use of ursodeoxycholate in HL may be detrimental because TSBAs are extraordinarily high in these cats and because bile acid profiles resemble those associated with EHBDO (increased secondary bile acids). All bile acids are toxic to cells in high concentrations and, in HL, bile acids are seemingly trapped by canalicular compression.

In the rare circumstance that signs of HE are encountered, lactulose, amoxicillin, or low-dose metronidazole (≤7.5 mg/kg, PO, bid) may be useful. In symptomatic pancreatitis, feeding distal to the pancreas is done using a constant-rate infusion of CliniCare® mixed with supplemental pancreatic enzymes through a jejunostomy tube. Alternatively, parenteral nutrition can be provided, although this may delay recovery and provoke hepatic triglyceride retention.

Prognosis for cats with HL is good with early diagnosis, full treatment support, and control of underlying disease. Monitoring liver enzymes has no value in predicting recovery. However, a decline in total bilirubin by 50% within the first 7–10 days portends an excellent chance of full recovery. Concurrent pancreatitis is a poor prognostic indicator. Monitoring ALP of obese cats undergoing weight reduction may identify emerging HL that will allow suspension of the weight loss program and early treatment intervention. Recurrence of HL is rare in recovered cats.
 
With hepatic lipidosis (aka "fatty liver') the challenge is to get your cat to eat. I'm hoping the ER vet gave you an appetite stimulant (either mirtazepine or cyproheptatine although there are some less frequency used medications, as well). And anti-nausea medication may also help (typically Cerenia or Zofran/ondansatron). Please be aware that the anti-nausea meds are bitter and can cause a cat to foam or drool. Using a blank cat-sized capsule can help with both pilling and avoiding the bitter taste. Capsuline is a company that has pet-sized capsules.

This is a post on some options that can help to entice your cat to eat. There is also a concoction that has been used here for virtually forever to help sick or inappetent cats -- the infamous liver shake. It may be worth giving it a try.

If you are going to syringe feed/assist feed your cat, do not use your kitty's favorite food. There have been instances when using a particular food to assist feed results in an aversion to that food. You might also want to consider using a food that's high in calories since you'll get a bigger bang for your buck. You may want to talk to one of the vets to see if they stock CliniCare which is a high protein, liquid product. Hill's A/D is also a canned food that can also be used. A food that's high is protein is ideal.

Do not overfeed your cat. You want to give small, relatively frequent feedings. If you try to give too much at once, your kitty will vomit and the entire purpose is defeated. In round numbers, your cat needs about 20 calories per pound of ideal body weight. You will want to break this up throughout the day. You also may need to start out feeding your cat less than the normal amount of calories. For example, the first day, 1/3 to 1/2 of normal then the second day, 2/3 of normal and then hopefully, your cat's stomach will have readjusted to eating.

There are also supplements that can provide liver support. Ursodiol and SAMe can both provide support for a healing liver. A B12 (cobalamin) shot or oral supplementation can also help with absorption of nutrients from the gut.
 
I hope it doesn’t come to that, but if Blitzey needs a feeding tube I can help you with the logistics. It can be a blessing like Panic said for food and meds and it’s not as intimidating as it sounds. I hope he feels better soon! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
Thanks Ale ! I was AMAZED at how you handled that like a pro. Minnie is one lucky little kitty cat!

And look at little Blitzey hes a little cutie patootie!
 
@Sienne and Gabby (GA) No, I saw it mentioned in some older threads last night when I was trying to read up on it and the article Red found for me that I copied and pasted above said this (link is above, from Merck):

Because cats with HL are in metabolic liver failure, appetite stimulants are inappropriate; diazepam, oxazepam, cyproheptidine, and mirtazepine should not be used and will not recover an affected cat. Occasionally, an appetite stimulant may help initiate feeding early in syndrome development.

Just wanting to be sure!
 
@Panic
I honestly don't know the answer. The Merck Manual is typically up to date. What I couldn't tell is whether there's a clinical differentiation between a cat that has had liver damage/disease from HL vs a cat that is in early stage. When Gabby was diagnosed, her symptoms were reversing by the time she was discharged from the ICU. They had sent labs to TAMU since that was the only lab (at least at the time) that was running the appropriate GI related tests. She was not jaundiced but I think some of her liver values were off. What it looks like the more recent research suggests is that at least with mirtazepine, it's half like in a cat with HL is far longer than in a normal cat. If it's used, it needs to be dosed less frequently so toxicity doesn't occur.
 
As of today they want to hospitalized him. I am away on orders and this is killing me not being there the suspect from bloodwork pancreatitis, hepatic lipidoses and diabetes. I can't treat the diabetes because he is not eating enough. The total bill for hospitalization would be around 5000, which I do not have. I have been syringe feeding and he actually has eaten a half can of fancy feast by him self. I do not want him to suffer, he has had sub q fluids every other day because he gets dehydrated. He has been to the vet every day. I don't know what to do for him?
 
I hope it doesn’t come to that, but if Blitzey needs a feeding tube I can help you with the logistics. It can be a blessing like Panic said for food and meds and it’s not as intimidating as it sounds. I hope he feels better soon! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
They want to hospitalize him at the tune of 5000, which i do not have. They have suggested a feeding but say he must be hospitalized. I am lost at this point and cannot be there with him as I am on miltary for 2 weeks. He has been to get fluids 3 times since friday.
 
As of today they want to hospitalized him. I am away on orders and this is killing me not being there the suspect from bloodwork pancreatitis, hepatic lipidoses and diabetes. I can't treat the diabetes because he is not eating enough. The total bill for hospitalization would be around 5000, which I do not have. I have been syringe feeding and he actually has eaten a half can of fancy feast by him self. I do not want him to suffer, he has had sub q fluids every other day because he gets dehydrated. He has been to the vet every day. I don't know what to do for him?
Do you have care credit? sigh... I'm trying to remember who has experience with this
@Aleluia Grugru & Minnie
 
They gave him fluids and meds. So my husband can try the fluids for the next few days and see how he does with the meds. I will go home sat and evaluate i just dont want to do more harm than good for him. Should I see if I can find a vet to da a feeding tube or should I let him go they said it is 50/50 even with hospitalization
 
They gave him fluids and meds. So my husband can try the fluids for the next few days and see how he does with the meds. I will go home sat and evaluate i just dont want to do more harm than good for him. Should I see if I can find a vet to da a feeding tube or should I let him go they said it is 50/50 even with hospitalization
Feeding tubes arent as scary as they sound Ale has had experience with them also GOOD experience. Its seems everyone is taking a break at the moment. But dont give up just yet ok?
Sigh I wish I could give you definitive answers.
 
Hepatic lipidosis is an emergency. He needs to go to the vet or ER. Let us know what they say. It happens from not eating enough and a feeding tube might be needed.
 
I'm sorry, I don't know the answer either. It sounds like he has a lot going against him.

These tags simply aren't going through - perhaps you could make a new thread with URGENT in the title so others can see or use 911 tag so others can see it and help you with Blitzey.
 
Hepatic lipidosis is an emergency. He needs to go to the vet or ER. Let us know what they say. It happens from not eating enough and a feeding tube might be needed.
It is 5000 to stay at er. I dontt have that much, he also has pancreatitis and a heart murmur. They said even with hospitalization he has only 50 %chance
 
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