Newly diagnosed with complications

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B & Squee

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Hello all! Mr. Squee, my sweet little fuzzy nub bum (he's a Manx :D), was just diagnosed with diabetes this afternoon, and being the natural nurturer that I am, I'm quite freaked out by it, and was wondering if anyone else has had experience with the situation the two of us now find ourselves in.

Some background: I got him at 8 weeks old, and he has been with me for 17 (almost 18!) years now. He was mostly healthy for the first 2/3 of his life, though he did have a problem with urine crystals and blockage, for which he was catheterized once and put on Hill's Prescription Diet Feline s/d dry for a few years, then moved to HPD c/d dry for a more regular multicare diet. A few years ago he began occasionally vomiting after dinner and was put on HPD i/d dry, which is an easily digested diet.

He did very well on the i/d for a long time, but eventually the vomiting got out of control and, with the help of my awesome old vet (who sadly has moved to a new office faaar away), we had to take some drastic measures to keep from loosing him. Turns out he was producing abnormally large amounts of stomach acid, though multiple rounds of testing never provided an answer as to why. Through the use of Prednisone, B-12, sub-q fluids and force feeding, we were able to pull him out of 2 of these episodes. His bloodwork and urinalysis came back normal each time. He is now on no more than 10 mg of Famotidine acid reducer each day, usually 5mg in the morning and 5 at night, 1 hour - 30 min before a meal.

Fast forward a year to last October, he starts having runny stools and vomiting again. Blood work came back mostly normal, though it showed he was in the very early stages of renal failure. After more sub-q's, some anti-nausea medication, etc, (but this time NO steroids) he stabilized again. His diet now consists of half dry i/d, half wet i/d, the chicken & vegetable stew formulation (mostly because he will eat the stew version and not the pate). He eats this combination twice a day, with no free feeding between due to 2 other cats in the house who would eat themselves to death if allowed to.

A few days ago I started to notice the wobble. His front legs would wobble a bit when he sat down, and by the third day I began noticing it in his gate as well. He was restless but lethargic, eating well but drinking constantly, and flooding the little box as a result. So we made an appointment with our vet for today. After all the symptoms and the blood work results from October, I figured his kidneys were finally starting to shut down.

I know renal failure. I've had two CKD cats before. I was all prepared for renal failure... and then she said "He has diabetes."

:eek: That was my face. Out of all the things I've dealt with over the years when it comes to cats, I've never dealt with this. Ok, diabetes. Let's deal with it.

So now I have a Lantus solostar, with instructions for 1 unit twice a day 12 hours apart. I plan to give him his acid pill as I usually do, then a meal, followed by an injection a few minutes after he finishes eating, morning and evening, 12 hours apart. We are due back in the office in 2 weeks for a day of curve monitoring, though my vet IS one of the ones who said I could do home monitoring and send her the results, if I decided to. Once the bank account recovers from the beating it took today I will look into buying what I need to start doing home monitoring.

Now, my first question is this: What do I do about his food situation? He is on a prescription diet due to his high stomach acid, and I'm terrified to move him to anything else, due to the severity of his vomiting episodes. I know diet is a major part of treating diabetes, but the vet has advised we keep him on the i/d wet & dry combo for now. Has anyone else ever dealt with this before?

And my second question: Are there any specific things I need to keep an eye out for during the first few days of shots? Other than worsening of the symptoms he already has, of course. I've had cats go from perfectly fine to death's doorstep in less than 24 hours before, and staring any new medication is just so nerve wracking for me!

Any insight or advice would be greatly appreciated! Sorry this was a bit winded. I'm a Virgo, so when I start typing, it's normally in great (and often unnecessary) detail. I find it oddly therapeutic o_O.

- B & her Squee
 
Welcome to you and Mr. Squee! You do have an assortment of health issues that you have to work around. I can't offer any advice on those but I will say that if a kitty absolutely needs certain meds or, in this case, a special diet then insulin dosing will have to accommodate that.

So now I have a Lantus solostar, with instructions for 1 unit twice a day 12 hours apart.
This is a good starting dose. Most people take the insulin cartridge out of the pen and use a syringe pushed into the rubber end to get the required dose of insulin. My understanding of the pen is that you're limited to full unit increments. I might be wrong about that. We recommend increasing doses by 0.25 u increments which is why using a U100 syringe with half unit marks will be better for you.

Are there any specific things I need to keep an eye out for during the first few days of shots?
Pay close attention to how your kitty seems to feel and is behaving. Some insulins make a kitty feel unwell and it varies a lot from kitty to kitty. You should do some reading on here to familiarize yourself with the signs of hypoglycemia. Chances are it won't be a problem at this starting dose but it's essential knowledge.

though my vet IS one of the ones who said I could do home monitoring and send her the results, if I decided to. Once the bank account recovers from the beating it took today I will look into buying what I need to start doing home monitoring.
Hurray for having an enlightened vet! Testingat home and sending the results to your vet will be much more economical than paying for a curve to be done there. We strongly recommend home testing and you don't have to pay a lot of money for supplies. Many peopl here use a human meter from Walmart, the ReliOn store brand. The strips are much cheaper. Make sure you buy one that takes the smallest blood drop possible.

Here's our home monitoring protocol:
  1. test BG AM and PM before feeding and injecting (no food at least 2 hours before these tests) to see if the planned dose is too high or not
  2. test once or twice more near the middle of the 12 hour interval between shots or at bedtime
  3. once in awhile do a 12 hour BG curve (test every 2 hours for 12 hours) to see the full effect of a dose.
We also recommend setting up the spreadsheet we use here that's viewable by all members. It's the first thing we look at when someone asks for dosing advice.
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/fdmb-spreadsheet-instructions.130337/
 
Thank you so much for your reply! I will absolutely look into getting some supplies from Walmart asap :).

But now I have another question, and a bit of a worry. I just tried to feed him and figured while he's distracted I might as well give him his first dose while he's eating. No problem giving the poke, he didn't even seem to notice it. But a few bites more and he walked away, refused to eat any more. He only ended up eating maybe a third of his dinner, and I'm worried this isn't enough for what he should have in his system after receiving the insulin. Should this be a cause for concern?

I'm assuming his lack of appetite is mostly due to the fact that the day has been so stressful plus I set dinner back a couple hours so that it would be easier to set up a dosing schedule. I did give him an anti-nausea pill a few minutes ago, hopefully that will encourage him to eat a little more.
 
I'm not that familiar with the insulin your kitty is using. If you could post in the Lantus forum lots of knowledgeable folks over there who can help you out.
I know Lantus is a gentler longer lasting insulin which doesn't require a large meal beforehand. I have used vetsulin which requires quite a bit of food before a shot is given. I'm now using prozinc which gives much better results now.
 
Lantus is an insulin with a slow, gentle onset so your kitty doesn't need to have a full meal on board to counteract the effects of the insulin. This is much more important with the harsher, fast-acting insulins.
 
He only ended up eating maybe a third of his dinner, and I'm worried this isn't enough for what he should have in his system after receiving the insulin. Should this be a cause for concern?

No...one of the best things about Lantus is that it's onset is usually 2-3 hours after the shot, so as long as kitty is willing to eat, you have several hours to get the food into him

Also, with Lantus, it's a "depot" insulin....it usually takes 5-7 days of consistent dosing before the depot is full and you'll see the full effects of that dose....Now some cats respond sooner, so getting your home testing supplies as soon as possible is really important
 
Awesome! Thanks to all of you! I feel so much better now. :bighug:

We finally managed to locate an unused syringe & mash up enough of his wet food to force feed him a bit. Now he's napping on my lap so hopefully he keeps it down. Will keep a close eye on him tonight and take a trip to Walmart tomorrow :D
 
If you haven't done so already ask your vet to run a test for potassium levels (if they're off it can exacerbate muscle weakness issues - NB: any potential supplementation must be done under vet supervision as regular blood tests are required to ensure that supplement doses are both safe and effective.


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If you haven't done so already ask your vet to run a test for potassium levels (if they're off it can exacerbate muscle weakness issues - NB: any potential supplementation must be done under vet supervision as regular blood tests are required to ensure that supplement doses are both safe and effective.


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@Critter Mom ((Mogs!!!!)) So glad to see you back! We've been missing you! Hope all is well and you are healthy and rested!:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
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