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Hello- I am new to this forum. Thank you for reading the story and for any advice you can give:

Our cat, Foppa, is a female, spayed calico who we adopted from a rescue league as a kitten. She was quickly diagnosed with colitis (she had blood in her stool) and has been on Purina's Overweight Management dry food her whole life. Any other foods or treats caused the blood to return to her stool, so she's never received any other types of food or treats. Now, I wonder if the food she was given previous to our ownership caused these problems and we just have been lucky on the OM food.

Last fall, I started noticing changes in Foppa like I would expect to see in a human with DB: increased thirst, increased need to clean the litter box, always hungry and one day it hit me that she had lost weight (we had just been out of town for a few days and when I got back it hit me that she was very light). She was taken in and was found to have blood sugar of over 400. She had a stay at our vet office for a glucose curve and we brought her home to 1.5u and 2u PZI each once daily. We modified as when we gave her the 2u she seemed to vomit frequently. We then adjusted to "heavy 1.75u BID". I have monitored her off and on for 6 months with home glucose monitoring and was consistently frustrated that she consistently ran in the 200-350 range no matter what we tried with her insulin injections. I took her in for a recheck of everything and she had gained 1 pound back of the 2 she had lost which was encouraging but her fructosamine came back over 500. That is when I started to take matters into my own hands, as the vet's solution was increasing insulin and doing another glucose curve. I didn't want her to go back in there for 24+ hours and cause that stress when I felt I could do the curve myself at home. I did this, and seemed that the somogyi effect was occurring, so I contacted our vet again. I felt like I was still not really being heard and I truly just needed to try things on my own for a week or so.

After doing more research, I stopped the OM food and switched to canned food on Monday- It took a lot of time at the store to pick out foods I thought would work with low carb content, but if anyone has any suggestions as to specific brand and flavors of food they use and work well, that would be great. Foppa has taken to the canned food without problem (except for today's flavor, but she does eat it). Foppa's blood sugar's continued to be erratic and high (anywhere from 247 and a random high of 512 the 1st day). Due to the high values that continued into the 2nd day, I gave her 1/2 U PZI around noon, and then her values were even higher that night so we did another 1/2 unit. The next day (Weds/yesterday) I did not give her anything until 330pm. I then gave her just under 1u. at 1030pm I checked her ad she was at 44! I couldn't believe it so I checked again to be sure it wasn't a mistake, and it was 52. She was asymptomatic (i have no idea how or why!) but I immediately gave her karo syrup and a small amount of the OM food to bring her up. She was stable for the next 2 hours and was at 276 when I finally went to bed. This morning she started at 403.

I feel that she is so completely all over the map, I have no idea what to do. I am not happy with our current vet and am considering taking her to the vet we love that takes care of our dog. I called a few more new ones today to try and get a feeling for their DB treatment approaches and did not have much luck or success in learning much, and when I did, I was not very satisfied with the responses.

I guess my questions are:
(1) Canned foods to use
(2) How long does this transition usually take? Everything I read said it was fast, and until the hypo episode last night, I hadn't seen any changes.
(3) Is it normal to still have these drastic swings? (I'm sure this morning it was still high from the less than 1/4c of dry food I gave her last night to get her back up).
(4) Does anyone live in the north-metro area of Denver and have a recommendation for a great vet who treats these cats well?
(5) Any other advice would also be welcome and appreciated!

Thank you again for taking the time to read this story. I appreciate it. Our dog was our first baby and she is now blind and on allergy medications (and is a miracle after a family member lost her in the mountains last October while we were out of town- she was gone for 6 nights and managed to survive and was found over 7 miles away from where she got lost!) and Foppa was our second baby. Even though we have 2 human children now as well, these guys are still so very important to us and we are willing to do what needs to be done to allow Foppa to have a wonderful quality of life. We just need someone on our side willing to listen and make suggestions and work with us!

Sincerely,
Mandy
 
asevier13 said:
I feel that she is so completely all over the map, I have no idea what to do.

Hi Mandy!
I'm too new here to give much advice, but I did want to welcome you here. *waves hello*
It looks like your cat responded to the diet change. And it is not unexpected for her to be up high after the almost hypo numbers and syrup and high carb feeding yesterday.

You came to a great place. Please ask lots of questions. I'm sure more knowledgeable people will be along shortly to advise you. :mrgreen:
 
Hi Mandy and Foppa! Welcome! You have already done a lot of reading and made some great changes. The wet food is very important as is the hometesting. Thank goodness you caught that 44!

I live in Colorado Springs and have a great FD vet who is on board with wet lo carb food and hometesting. If you don't get any suggestions from Denver members (I know we have a few, but am not sure how often they post), let me know and I will ask my vet if she has a recommendation for Denver.

Your low number may be a reaction to the food. When we switched Oliver from dry to wet, he went down 100 points overnight. I would be very careful with your doses going forward. Maybe start at one unit and see how she reacts - testing before each shot and at nadir ( +6) Have you seen the PZI forum? viewforum.php?f=24 Everyone there uses your insulin and can give you good advice. Checking out their threads and spreadsheets will also give you a feel of how PZI is working for them. This document on PZI is also full of great info: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=32799

It would be a great help to us and to you if you would start a spreadsheet. It is color coded and will let you see exactly what is going on. And when you need advice, it will give us a quick history of your doses and numbers. It is slow to load and doesn't work on every computer. If you have trouble, just ask for help. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18207
 
Hiya,

I have a link for you about your canned food question. This is a list I think we pretty much all print off and take to the store with us. I was told to choose food that was under 10% carbs and not to feed fish too often. The list is a lifesaver, here it is:

http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html

Hope that helps, and welcome!!

Debbi and Saatz :-D
 
Welcome Mandy & Foppa. I'm in the Denver area and we use Alameda East Veterinary Hospital, Dr. Jennifer Messinger or Dr. Erin Miller are both good. We started with Dr. Miller and only switched to Dr. Messinger because Miller was going to be out for a few months. They definitely recommend you do curves at home because they know bringing our sweet kitties in causes stress and raises their BGs. I would do the curves and send them an email with the numbers. They're both easy going and willing to listen to what you have to contribute. Now, they both asked if we wanted to try the Hills DM or Purina equivelant and I just told them that Klinger won't touch the stuff and they never asked again.
They both wanted me to start Klinger out on 3 units. By eventually finding this board I learned that was way to high of a starting dose and reduced it back to 1 unit. So, they're not perfect, but they are willing to learn with you.
Please keep posting questions. This board is a wonderful support and I'm glad you found it.
 
Relax, take a deep breath. Everyone here is ready and willing to help you. Switching food can cause pretty dramatic drops - YEAH!!!
That's why we all test at least before every shot and occassional in between. Most of us try for at least an additional 6 hours after dose, and then one day during the week/weekend to do additional tests for what we call a curve. All the numbers at home are usually LOTS lower than at the Vets. My Maisey was over 500 at the Vets and I never saw a number that high at home. Changing food to web lower carb 10% or less made a dramatic difference too. Look on the main page for Janet & Binkey's list. Basically all the classic Fancy Feast & Friskies are low carb. But the list is great to take to the grocery store/pet shop. You might want a can or two of something with gravy for if there is another hypo event, but be sure to keep it separate so someone doesn't give it by accident.
Also, it's better to start low - 1 unit of PZI/ProZinc keep it for a few days and then move up by .5 units again, keeping for a few days. It takes awhile for their bodies to acclimate and when they first go low their liver dumps because it isn't used to seeing low numbers. Sometimes those high numbers are bounces from going low.
Again welcome. Try to read the introductory information as you can and ask questions.
Kathy & Maisey
 
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