Newbie to Lantus...Suggestions Welcome

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WenDawg

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Hi everyone. Abernathy has been on Lantus since 1/23/15 after previously being on Prozinc. He almost died as a result of DKA and that was one reason for switching insulin. After almost 2 weeks on Lantus, his numbers still seem to be all over the place. I'd love some thoughts/feedback concerning dosing, etc.

His daily routine is the same....Friskies Special Diet canned food fed AM and PM before insulin shot.
2U in AM and 2U in PM

Thanks in advance.
 
Here's your Last post with some background info We like to link the last post into the current one so it's easy to quickly go back and see what's been happening

2 units may be too much insulin. I know you had been on ProZinc (up to 4 units) but since they're totally different acting insulins, that may still be too much. Lantus dosing is based on how low it takes them, not the Pre-shot number like ProZinc is, so it makes testing at different times through the cycle very important.

One problem is the lack of testing during the PM cycle....If you can just grab a test right before you head to bed at night, it'll really help to know what's going on...as well as trying to always get at least 1 test somewhere mid-cycle during the AM cycle if at all possible. Most cats go lower at night, so it's really important to know if he's dropping at night.

How's his appetite? Better? Has he finished his antibiotics and is that issue cleared up now?

I have to leave, but hopefully some of the others will be along soon to offer you some more advice. I'll tag @Sienne and Gabby , @julie & punkin (ga) , @Marje and Gracie and @Sienne and Gabby to hopefully get them to drop by and help.
 
Is it possible to feed him more frequently? My "out of remission" cat eats, and always has eaten, 6-8 times per day, though smaller portions. And I always leave food out for him at night (now that he's decided to be sugary again, I do put the "night-time" food up a few hours before AMPS, so I get a true BG reading before shooting. For a lot of cats, smaller frequent meals help to regulate their glucose better than 2 or 3 meals (per day).
 
Unless I misunderstood, Abernathy isn't out of remission -- he'd just been started on Prozinc and recently switched to Lantus. Is that correct?

Has anyone run through the difference between Lantus and Prozinc? If so, I'm sorry if this is redundant. It's helpful to always remember that Prozinc dose is largely based on the pre-shot numbers. Lantus dosing is based primarily on the nadir. (We look to the pre-shot to make sure it's safe to shoot but dose changes are based on the nadir.) Lantus is also a longer acting, depot-type of insulin. It takes several days (5 - 7) for the depot to form. Having the depot allows Lantus to act in a cumulative fashion and allows for overlap between the doses. This doesn't happen with Prozinc because while it is a longer acting insulin compared to many other types of insulin, it is not as long-acting as Lantus or Levemir nor does Prozinc have a depot.

The reason for my making the above points is that it's important to do what you can to get spot checks at various points during the cycle. It's the best way to keep your kitty safe and to make sure you don't miss a needed dose reduction. It's also important to note that not all cats have a nadir at +6. Some cats have early or late nadirs. (For example, my cat's nadir is typically at +3 or +4 -- except when it's not.) Nadirs are also not fixed points; they can change. (This is because cats like to be unpredictable and make us crazy.) So, testing only at pre-shot and +6 may not be giving you the whole story. Testing at various times will help you to understand when Lantus onset begins, when the nadir falls, and how much duration your getting.

I'm reticent to suggest that you drop the dose given the history of DKA. Has the infection cleared up? DKA typically results from an infection/inflammation, not enough insulin, and a cat that's not eating. I'd sooner see you feed Abernathy more or use some higher carb food until we know that ketones are a thing of the past. Are you testing for ketones?
 
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