Newbie - Elizabeth and Lily

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She's on Caninsulin., and 1 unit morning only
I'm no expert but sounds like too much insulin
She hasn't been testing, just went to pick up meters
Maybe 0.25 units twice a day?

In her post she said

She's still not eaten and is just lying shattered on the sofa behind me with her third eyelid across. I've tried putting the pate food the vet sent me back with on her lip but she's notinterested. I'm worried she'll go into a hypo if she doesn't eat something.
 
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Always aim for the sweet spot warm the ears up first, you can put rice in a sock and put it in the microwave, test it on the inside of your wrist to be sure it's not to hot, like you would test a babies bottle. You can fill a pill bottle with warm water and roll it on the ears also
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6. As the ears get used to bleeding and grow more capilares, it gets easier to get the amount of blood you need on the first try. If she won’t stand still, you can get the blood onto a clean finger nail and test from there
 
How do I give that little? Smaller syringes? She's really having a good go at the convalescence pate now but won't touch her dry food. I'm just going to let her have whatever she'll eat at the moment, but I do appreciate the value of as few changes at once as possible.
 
Hello Elizabeth
There are a few of us in the UK, not many, but we try to support fellow UKers as we’re in the minority. You seem to have got some very good advice here already - the basics of FD are the same everywhere - so I’m not sure what specific UK advice I can offer at this point. I will echo what everyone has said - you do need to be able to test bg, so as you now have a meter it will be a priority for you to get to grips with it asap. If - we don’t know - the insulin dose is too high and a kitty is showing hypo symptoms, you need to be able to check bg and if it is dangerously low you need to go into serious action.

OK I see she has just eaten something - hope she keeps it down - keep us informed and meanwhile get practising with that meter...
 
Diana&Tom said:
Hello Elizabeth
There are a few of us in the UK, not many, but we try to support fellow UKers as we’re in the minority. You seem to have got some very good advice here already - the basics of FD are the same everywhere - so I’m not sure what specific UK advice I can offer at this point. I will echo what everyone has said - you do need to be able to test bg, so as you now have a meter it will be a priority for you to get to grips with it asap. If - we don’t know - the insulin dose is too high and a kitty is showing hypo symptoms, you need to be able to check bg and if it is dangerously low you need to go into serious action.

OK I see she has just eaten something - hope she keeps it down - keep us informed and meanwhile get practising with that meter...
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Hi and thank you. I will get to grips with it this evening. I've got some 28g lancets now. Just letting her have a post dinner wash. Will update.
 
Diana&Tom said:
Hello Elizabeth
There are a few of us in the UK, not many, but we try to support fellow UKers as we’re in the minority. You seem to have got some very good advice here already - the basics of FD are the same everywhere - so I’m not sure what specific UK advice I can offer at this point. I will echo what everyone has said - you do need to be able to test bg, so as you now have a meter it will be a priority for you to get to grips with it asap. If - we don’t know - the insulin dose is too high and a kitty is showing hypo symptoms, you need to be able to check bg and if it is dangerously low you need to go into serious action.

OK I see she has just eaten something - hope she keeps it down - keep us informed and meanwhile get practising with that meter...
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Thank you @Diana&Tom
Do you think she should give maybe 0.25 units twice a day?
Wait until she starts testing her ?
 
Diana&Tom said:
Hello Elizabeth
There are a few of us in the UK, not many, but we try to support fellow UKers as we’re in the minority. You seem to have got some very good advice here already - the basics of FD are the same everywhere - so I’m not sure what specific UK advice I can offer at this point. I will echo what everyone has said - you do need to be able to test bg, so as you now have a meter it will be a priority for you to get to grips with it asap. If - we don’t know - the insulin dose is too high and a kitty is showing hypo symptoms, you need to be able to check bg and if it is dangerously low you need to go into serious action.

OK I see she has just eaten something - hope she keeps it down - keep us informed and meanwhile get practising with that meter...
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GOD BLESS you Diana :bighug:
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Thank you @Diana&Tom
Do you think she should give maybe 0.25 units twice a day?
Wait until she starts testing her ?
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Well I’m not an expert but it definitely sounds as if the current dose is too high. Hopefully we’ll see what bg is later on. But yes it is always better to be safe than sorry, so when in doubt I would dose cautiously until data is available. No ketones present which is good, but food intake needs to be encouraged still of course.
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
@Elizabeth20
When you start to test please don't tell us what time you tested, we are all in different time zones
This is how you want to tell us for now until a spreadsheet is set up

What ever time you gave the insulin this morning
Example lets say it was at 6 AM

So it would be
AMPS ( which means AM Pre-Shot)
AMPS the BG reading at 6 AM
Now you tested at 8 AM
So you would tell us @+2 (that means 2 hours after you gave the insulin)

Then @+3. means 3hours after the time you have the insulin
And so on until the 12 hour mark which would be the PMPS night time test
then it starts all over again
PMPS what the BG is
@+2. Two hours after you shot
@+3
@-4
and so on
We shoot insulin twice a day every 12 hours
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Very good point. Until newbies realise the significance of this they will post according to the clock which makes it harder for advice- givers...
 
  • @Elizabeth20 when you get a chance ,It would be helpful if you can set up your signature so we don't have to ask you the same questions over again.
  • It appears after each post in gray, look at mine, also take a look at Tyler's spreadsheet to get an idea of what I explained above



  • On the left, under Settings, Click on Signature. This is where you will put information that helps us give you feedback.
    • There is a limit of two lines which may include two links; you may separate pieces with commas, dashes, | etc. This is where you paste the link for your spreadsheet, once it is set up.
    • Add any other text, such as
    • Caregiver & kitty's name (optional)
    • DX: Date
    • Name of Insulin
    • Name of your meter
    • Diet: "LC wet" or "dry food" or "combo"
    • Dosing: TR or SLGS or Custom (if applicable)
    • DKA or other recent health issue (if applicable)
    • Acro, IAA, or Cushings (if applicable)
    • Spreadsheet link. Please put the signature link on the bottom line of your signature information, on its own, so it is easy to find.
    • Please do not put any information about your location in the signature for security reasons. If you wish to add your country location, please add it to your profile.
Be sure to click the 'Save Changes' button at the bottom. If you need help urgently it is important we know these things at a glance. We don’t want to waste valuable time finding out information.


tap on your avatar where it says your name ,then hit profile page ,tap on that ,then go up to the very top, upper right hand side and tap on your name ,it will bring down a drop box, tap on signature, the signature will be under settings, tap on the signature then and you can start to add what I posted above, make sure you hit save ,
Welcome to the best place you could ever be and an awesome group of people
 
Ok. That explains why I can only find 0.5 unit needles! Right, on a human meter she is reading 18.1 and 18.7. The second reading is after a good couple of minutes and several failed reads (i.e. wasted ear piercings) so an element of stress. The rice sock is absolutely brilliant. She isn't talking to me now.
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
  • @Elizabeth20 when you get a chance ,It would be helpful if you can set up your signature so we don't have to ask you the same questions over again.
  • It appears after each post in gray, look at mine, also take a look at Tyler's spreadsheet to get an idea of what I explained above


  • On the left, under Settings, Click on Signature. This is where you will put information that helps us give you feedback.
    • There is a limit of two lines which may include two links; you may separate pieces with commas, dashes, | etc. This is where you paste the link for your spreadsheet, once it is set up.
    • Add any other text, such as
    • Caregiver & kitty's name (optional)
    • DX: Date
    • Name of Insulin
    • Name of your meter
    • Diet: "LC wet" or "dry food" or "combo"
    • Dosing: TR or SLGS or Custom (if applicable)
    • DKA or other recent health issue (if applicable)
    • Acro, IAA, or Cushings (if applicable)
    • Spreadsheet link. Please put the signature link on the bottom line of your signature information, on its own, so it is easy to find.
    • Please do not put any information about your location in the signature for security reasons. If you wish to add your country location, please add it to your profile.
Be sure to click the 'Save Changes' button at the bottom. If you need help urgently it is important we know these things at a glance. We don’t want to waste valuable time finding out information.


tap on your avatar where it says your name ,then hit profile page ,tap on that ,then go up to the very top, upper right hand side and tap on your name ,it will bring down a drop box, tap on signature, the signature will be under settings, tap on the signature then and you can start to add what I posted above, make sure you hit save ,
Welcome to the best place you could ever be and an awesome group of people
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Thanks Diane, will do.
 
Elizabeth20 said:
Ok. That explains why I can only find 0.5 unit needles! Right, on a human meter she is reading 18.1 and 18.7. The second reading is after a good couple of minutes and several failed reads (i.e. wasted ear piercings) so an element of stress. The rice sock is absolutely brilliant. She isn't talking to me now.
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I'm from the US and don't know what those readings mean
 
Elizabeth20 said:
Ok. That explains why I can only find 0.5 unit needles! Right, on a human meter she is reading 18.1 and 18.7. The second reading is after a good couple of minutes and several failed reads (i.e. wasted ear piercings) so an element of stress. The rice sock is absolutely brilliant. She isn't talking to me now.
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@Critter Mom

@Diana&Tom

I have no idea what these readings are, but I see she used a human meter
Long story about her kitty
Just trying to help her out :cool: Sorry didn't mean to hit that blue emoji should have been :cat:
 
Elizabeth20 said:
Ok. That explains why I can only find 0.5 unit needles! Right, on a human meter she is reading 18.1 and 18.7. The second reading is after a good couple of minutes and several failed reads (i.e. wasted ear piercings) so an element of stress. The rice sock is absolutely brilliant. She isn't talking to me now.
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Well done for getting these tests. These are far from hypo numbers so don’t worry about that for now.
 
Elizabeth20 said:
Ha, nor do I. They're mmol and I think you guys don't use that, but I also gather that human and cat meters are different. I'll find a conversion chart.
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Elizabeth, if you have time you can list your numbers as you see them on the monitor and then their US equivalent (x 18) in brackets.
This is a very US orientated site but it’s nice if advice givers use the same language as the OP and make a mental conversion for their own purposes.
 
Elizabeth,
A little more "housekeeping" to do. Once you get your signature (Diane has posted how to do that above) Your next task (after delivering much needed pets and lovins on Lily), is to set up her spreadsheet, This will track hour by hour just how insulin is working in Lily's body. It gives anyone that comes to help, all the information they need to make informed decisions for Lily.
FDMB SPREADSHEET INSTRUCTIONS

Let us know if you have any trouble setting this up. We have VERY good people to help you with it. ;)
 
jt and trouble (GA) said:
Elizabeth,
A little more "housekeeping" to do. Once you get your signature (Diane has posted how to do that above) Your next task (after delivering much needed pets and lovins on Lily), is to set up her spreadsheet, This will track hour by hour just how insulin is working in Lily's body. It gives anyone that comes to help, all the information they need to make informed decisions for Lily.
FDMB SPREADSHEET INSTRUCTIONS

Let us know if you have any trouble setting this up. We have VERY good people to help you with it. ;)
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Ok that's a relief, it all looked a bit overwhelming!

325 is still high right? The Convalescence stuff says 76% moisture, 11.2% protein, 7.8% fat, then ash etc no carbs. So where is the sugar coming from? Turns out I don't understand science!
 
To tell you the truth? I would be overwhelmed trying to set everything up. :oops: When I had a diabetic kitty there were no such things as spreadsheets. whew. :p

Did the can actually say 0 carbs?
 
FWIW the purina site says 1.2% carbs as "wet" (which I believe is the same things as "as fed" but I'm not sure...).
https://www.purina.co.uk/proplan/cat-food/veterinary-diets-feline-convalescence

On Pierson's site, it has the "CN" as 9% carbs (assuming it's the US formula and #s could be slightly out of date). See Pro Plan Veterinary Diets and the line for "CN".
https://catinfo.org/docs/CatFoodProteinFatCarbPhosphorusChart.pdf

In either case, it's considered low carb (<10%). Hope that helps some...
 
Elizabeth20 said:
The Convalescence stuff says 76% moisture, 11.2% protein, 7.8% fat, then ash etc no carbs. So where is the sugar coming from? Turns out I don't understand science!
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Carbs are very rarely listed on packaging or product websites, and even then they may be listed as 'NFE' (nitrogen-free extract). Can you have another look at the analysis on the food and find the value for (crude) fibre please, Elizabeth, and post it here. Then we can calculate the carbs in the food for you.


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