New to Lantus - a couple questions

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sofietca

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Hello,
I've been using ProZinc since April for my cat, but it's never really regulated her well, so the vet recommended trying Lantus. I skipped her AM ProZinc shot today, as my vet instructed, and am planning on giving her the first shot of Lantus tonight - 1 unit. I have a couple technical questions about it... I read on the forum not to inject air into the vial (I'm using Walgreens U100 syringes and Lantus in a vial), but over on the Lantus website it actually says to do so (http://www.lantus.com/starting-lantus/i ... guide.aspx) - which should I do? It also says to hold the needle in the skin for 10 seconds (for people) after pushing the plunger - is that necessary for cats? I'm mostly concerned about getting the shot correct right now... later I'll be worried about dosing and all that I'm sure. :)

Thanks!
Sarah
 
Sarah,
i don't inject air into the vial at all.....and i make sure the syringe does not have bubbles either....

i'm bumping your condo for the experts to notice and chime in....

good luck....you have come to the right place for expert advise and cyber love & care for you and your kitty!
 
Sarah

Welcome to Lantus Land. We don't inject air into the vials or the solostar pens; it isn't necessary to do that. You might want to check into the pens; they are much cheaper in the long run unless your kitty turns out to be a high doser. Sometimes you can buy one 3-ml pen from an outpatient hospital pharmacy. I am not able to here so I buy the 5-pack of 3-ml pens at Costco. They run about $200 but I don't toss away as much as the vial which is 10 mls and runs a little over $100. Some folks have been able to use almost all of the pen before the juice gets wonky. Some change them every 28 days.

I do not hold the syringe under the skin for ten seconds before I push the plunger. I insert the needle...making sure I am in the skin and not in the hair.....then I press the plunger. I usually do count to ten before I pull the syringe out but I keep the plunger pressed in as I remove the syringe or else you can lose a drop being sucked back into the syringe from loss of pressure on the plunger. I also remove the syringe very slowly so if there is a tiny drop on the end of the needle, it stay in her skin.

I'm assuming you are home testing since you have a SS for Trouble? We find this is critical in managing FD.

I know you are new to Lantus and you have alot to catch up on but we recommend that you read all the stickys as soon as you can. I've given you the direct links below:

1. New to the Group: this has a TON of valuable information and covers most of what you need to know to get started.

2. Tight Regulation Protocol: this gives the protocol we follow in LL to get our kitties regulated. It gives info on starting the dose, increasing the dose, decreasing the dose, how much, etc.

3. Info, Proper Handling, and Storage of Lantus: this will provide you additional info to what I gave you in the initial paragraphs regarding handling, storing lantus.

4. Lantus Shed: Lantus works very differently from PZI; it builds up a shed under the skin. The shed must fill before you start to see a change in numbers. That is why we hold increases for 3-5 days....to allow the shed to fill. This is a difficult, but very important concept regarding lantus and levemir.

5. Data Ready to Shoot Lower Numbers: we recommend that newbies not shoot numbers below 150 until you have enough data to know how your kitty will react. This is also very important. As a summary of it, I would say the first time you get a number around 150 at preshot, do not feed your kitty, post the number and ask for help. Between the east coasters and west coasters, there's someone on line almost 24/7.

We also rely heavily on Spreadsheets. We have some amazing folks when it comes to making dosing recommendations but they have to be able to look at kitty's SS and see what's been happening. We have found that it is a rare vet that really understands lantus and dosing; most just put the cat on a dose bid and tell you to come back in a few weeks. We've had a lot of kitties hypo on those instructions. I'm glad to see you have a SS going.

Lastly....the other really important thing is to have a hypo kit ready. It should include LOTS of test strips, HC and MC foods, karo, etc. It is discussed in the first sticky I gave you. You don't want to have to run out to the pharmacy in the middle of the night to get supplies.

We're here to help...we have a massive amount of experience in LL...some incredible folks and a real sense of family. So bring on the questions!
 
Hi Sarah! Welcome to Lantus Land!!

I'm going to provide some conflicting information. Theoretically, there is not an issue with injecting air into a vial of Lantus. You should not, however, inject air into the Solostar pens as they operate on a negative pressure system. There is already air in a vial whereas there is no air in the pen. The only potential issue with injecting air into the vial is that you are disturbing the insulin. Since cats use so much less insulin than humans, the less your "stir up" the Lantus, the better. (And, hopefully, you know not to shake or roll the vial.) Agitating Lantus has the potential to cause the insulin to develop "floaties" and go bad more quickly. In addition, there is a silicone coating on the inside of the syringe, if you are injecting any insulin or air into the vial, you may also be injecting silicone into the vial which may effect the integrity of the Lantus.

Also, in addition to the information that the others have provided, you might want to see if you can find U100 syringes that are marked in half unit increments. The dosing protocol we use typically increases or decreases doses in the amount of 0.25u. It's much less eye strain if you have syringes that are in half units. Walmart's Relion syringes come marked this way or you may need to order them on-line.
 
Hi, Sarah, and welcome to the group! You've come to the right place for help with your diabetic baby, and everyone on here is extremely helpful. I, too, was once a ProZinc user for Blackie, but a friend of mine introduced me to Lantus, and I'm glad that she did. I think you'll find that the insulin will work wonderfully with your kitty. Good luck, and I look forward to seeing your condos on here, and seeing the progress. :)
 
Hmm... I'm not sure what to make of her pmps number... I just tested at she's at 289. She ate about 4 hours ago and at that time it was 355. I know 289 is not super low, but it's a lot lower than I expected considering her last shot was 24 hours ago! It's lower than some of her pre-shot numbers when she was on insulin. Should I just go ahead and give her the 1 unit of Lantus tonight, or maybe do a little less just to be safe? I feel a little nervous since I didn't expect her pmps to be this low, and since I'm unfamiliar with Lantus. I have to shoot in about 15 minutes, and I think I'm leaning to more like .75... does that seem like a good idea?

Thank you!
Sarah
 
It may be that Trouble's pancreas is working and the food stimulated the production of endogenous insulin. However, it's more likely that this is just variance related to your meter. There's up to 20% variance in any number on a meter. So, the 355 and 289 are within the same range. I'd shoot the 1.0u.

Just as an FYI: Sometimes there is a reaction to starting a new insulin and you'll see an active first cycle.
 
Well, I was timid and only gave .5 unit. I know she doesn't have ketones in her urine right now, so I think I'd rather spend a couple days watching her BS be a little high if the dose is too little, rather than having it be too much and having something dire happen... I'm also a little low on Alphatrak strips and new ones won't come until Monday I think (I have a Walgreens back-up meter but I don't trust it very much - it's typically 100-200 points below the vet's). I'll be home all weekend with her though and will go buy a more trustworthy meter with easier to get strips if I have to!

I want to believe that it's her pancreas working some. :) She has a son who was diabetic for about a month or two this summer, but he's been in remission a month and he was much sicker from it than she's ever been - his highs were around 600! So I'm hopeful for her.

Is the nadir different with Lantus? With ProZinc it was about +5-8, but from what I read it seemed like Lantus had more variation than that depending on the cat.

Thank you!
Sarah
 
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