New members: Dawn and Squee

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Good morning, Dawn, and welcome!! There are many people on the board that can help you more than you can imagine with your Squee. They will be on a little later with loads of information, but I wanted to just say hi and let you know help is here.

We all came here very confused and worried about our kitties. You are not alone, and you will get information and support from people who have been in your shoes.

Start paying attention to Squee's ears.....petting and smooching....they will be a very important part of your treatment plan for Squee.....because that is where you will make a little prick EVERY TIME before you give him a shot of insulin.

Again, just wait, and you will get a lot of attention from the kind and knowledgeable folk who are here to help you.
 
Hello Mr. Squee & momma!

Wanted to answer your testing questions....regardless of what anyone else tells you, testing is such an important part in your care for Squee! You can use a walmart relion meter and test strips.....so far I have found those are the most affordable and of course I purchased some neosporin w/ pain (walmart brand), and the lancets. The meter I purchased had the lancet pen with it and a few lancets but not many. You will learn how to do your curve testing at home, what to feed and what to watch for. You will want to test before every shot and do curves so that you may know how he is doing on the dose.

What was the dx blood glucose number that you received from the vet? What type of insulin are you getting and what is the dose? There are different types of insulin that can be prescribed. I used (as Bean is in remission now! :razz: ) PZI BCP and she was dx with a doseage of 1 unit every 12 hours.

I do not know much about his FUS situation but I will just bet someone on this site will! You have found the BEST PLACE to help you help Squee!

You will recieve so much help here, just ask, read and except many many warm welcomes.

Where do you live? Alot of times, if you let us know and someone is in your area, help can be hands on if necessary.

Keep us posted and again WELCOME and many furry hugs to you!!!!!
 
Welcome Dawn and Squee! (by chance, is he named after the jthm character? :-)

Chronic UT problems in cats are commonly caused by chronic dehydration (from eating dry food). Even if your cat drinks alot, it's never enough to compensate for the moisture they loose in their food. The key to improving that problem is increasing your cat's moisture intake by ditching the dry and feeding an all canned diet. You can also easily mix water in his food and increase his moisture intake that way. The majority of the time, the UT problems go away once the diet is changed.

The good news is that diabetics need an all canned diet, too, just for a different reason. Dry food is very high in carbs, and diabetics need a low carb diet. Any canned food without grain will be low in carbs. There are many commercial foods to choose from. Here's a link to a food chart that gives you nutritional information on cat foods: http://felinediabetes.com/diabetic-cat-diets.htm. You just need to pick something under 10% (preferably under 8%) carbs. One very popular food here are the grain free flavors of Fancy Feast: http://felinediabetes.com/glutenfree.htm, because they're not very expensive and you can buy them anywhere.

Nearly all of us here use human meters. There's no reason to buy a vet meter--they're costly and inconvenient to buy strips for. A popular meter here is the Relion Confirm from Walmart, because the strips are inexpensive. You can use pretty much any human meter, though. I use the Aviva Accuchek, and I love it. The strips are expensive in the store, but you can buy them on Ebay or Amazon pretty cheaply.

It is absolutely necessary to test at home. Testing at the vet is unreliable because blood glucose numbers become inflated when the cat is stressed. Also, you need to test a few times a day in order to administer insulin safely and adjust the dosing properly (just like humans), which is impossible to do at the vet.

Do you know what insulin your vet wants to start him on? If it's not too late, ask for slow acting insulin like Lantus (glargine) or Levemir (detemir). Lantus has an 84% remission rate in cats with the proper diet and dosing via home testing. If your vet gives you PZI, that's a decent insulin for cats as well, with about a 50% remission rate. If your vet prescribes Humulin N, that insulin is completely inappropriate for cats and I would either urge the vet to give you a prescription for one of the others, or see another vet if they won't.
 
Hi Everyone :) Thank you so much for replying to my post. I had some registration issues on the site, but now I'm back!

Re: Julia & Bandit... Yes, Squee is named after the jthm character. He is black and white with huge eyes and always has been a bit on the nervous side, so I thought Squee was a cute fit. Plus it's really fun to say :) I looked into some other food options, but my vet wants him to stay on the urinary ph food I've had him on. I can switch to the all canned (I used to mix mostly canned with a little dry) and I will be adding water to it. My vet told me that it is not necessary to test at home. I was a little surprised by this, but he wants me to come in for a follow-up to do a curve in 7-10 days. I think he may be ripping me off (since the price on a curve at the vet is so high) and also was kinda alarmed that he didn't want me to test at home. Could it just be that he wants to see how we were progressing? Squee stayed at the vet for the day to be monitored after his first insulin injection. He said he was in the 200 - 250 range. He prescribed Prozinc, 2 units every 12 hours.

Re: Sue & Oliver (GA)... Thank you for the link! I will be sure to check that site out. :)

Re: ohbell... Thank you so much for the information. My vet seemed very uninterested in home testing, but wants us to go back for a curve in 7-10 days. Do you think that is a rip off? (It's so expensive) Or do you think it's just to see how we are progressing? I know I would be much more comfortable if I knew his levels. I'm a very hands on pet mom and want to know everything. The vet tech said it's very hard to get reading from cats because it's hard to get the blood from the ear or paw. Do you have any suggestions for successful home testing? I know you gave me a few meter options (thanks btw. Also do you need a prescription to buy one? I have no idea.) but do you have a good way of getting a good/accurate test? Squee is very tolerant and I don't see home testing being a problem. He has been prescribed Prozinc with a dosage of 2 units every 12 hours. The vet had him for a full day for his first injection and said his numbers were between 200-250. I live in Phoenix, Arizona. Anyone in Phoenix, get in touch! I would love to have a hands on friend. Thanks for the furry hugs! (They are the best kind :))

Re: badams... Thank you and Hi back! Thanks for the tip on his ears. I've always loved petting his ears and he is such a sweet/tolerant boy, I don't foresee a problem. Thank you again for the kind welcome :)
 
OMG! PLEASE TEST!
I will start with saying - I AM NOT VET BASHING, BUT......... I will share my story with my Sugar Bean.

She was dx with 1unit PZI, 'no home testing really needed' quoted from the vet..... 1 wk and 1 day later, she went to the vet for the curve. Her numbers increased from the original dx from low 400s to high 400. The vet increased the dose to 2units - 2 times a day....

BECAUSE OF THIS SITE, I did not increase that much and I was still not home testing.....

I received my newbie kit from Lori and Bean and I began to bond...rubbing the ears, getting the lancet pen out and clicking it on her ears without the lancet in the pen - getting her used to the noise. Giving out 'special treats' and holding her. My Bean is a kitty that only wants held when SHE wants held...
We were practicing alot and the first 5-6 times when the lancet was actually in the pen, mamma could NOT get a test..... Again, we were practicing and getting used to the routine...

When I DID get a test (about the 6-7 time to try), my Sugar Bean was ONLY 27!!!!! This was only 2 hours after the shot.... The nadir (lowest reading) is 4-6 hours after shot... nailbite_smile
Of course, it was well after vet hours and I posted HERE! I received soooo much support from the postings and 1 wonderful phone call from Lori. She coached me: feeding hypo items, posting here for me (so that I could stay by Beans side), having me TEST every 20-30 min. We did this for almost 4 hours!!!!!

And you know what???? MY BEAN IS STILL WITH ME!!!!!

That dreadfull night, I gave her 1.25 units of insulin.....could you imagine what would have happened IF I would have given her 2 units and NOT TESTED???
I know I would not have Bean with me today if it were not for this site and the wonderful folks, supporting and helping me thru this.
I made my Bean a promise that nite.............. I WILL NEVER EVER SHOOT BEFORE TESTING AGAIN....
She thanks me everyday with her wonderful personality, and those beautiful eyes staring at her mommabean!!!

Now, with that off my chest, the meter I used was the relion mini I think???? ohmygod_smile
You do not need a script for the meter, lancets or syringes here in Texas..... not for sure about Ar.

Also, 2 units sounds like way way too much to start with if he is only 200-250...AND, kitties are USUALLY higher at the vet than at home.
My suggestion is to TEST AT HOME... you might just find that he is alot lower at home than at the vets.....AND, once you change to all wet, low carb, his numbers could drop up to or over 100!!!!!! Now, wouldnt that beeee nice????

I know more will comment about the dosage suggested from the vet, so I will let that happen without saying tooooo much (if that is possible - lol)!!
You are a GREAT MOMMABEAN, and please please please test at home~ (ask vet if he would shoot insulin into his child without testing first?? just bet the answer would be NO).

If you would like to view my spreadsheet, it is in my signature

If you want to private message me your #, I would be more than happy to discuss tips, trials etc..... That is what this is alllll about!
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I am a huge jthm fan, so I thought he might be *that* Squee! :-D

I don't know if your vet is trying to rip you off or is simply has not kept current with the treatment of feline diabetes, but home testing is safer and more accurate than vet testing, and not to mention FAR cheaper. I never once paid for testing at the vet beyond Bandit's initial diagnosis--my vet told me that testing at the office was unreliable, so I had to test at home if I wanted Bandit to get better. Also, the ONLY safe way to administer insulin is to check Squee's blood glucose levels before each shot. Stress will inflate blood glucose values in the office, so cats are commonly overdosed when dose recommendations are based off of in-office values. As you probably know by now, hypoglycemia is very dangerous and can be deadly.

You absolutely do not need to pay for any vet testing if you are home testing. The vet testing is a waste of money since the numbers aren't accurate anyway.

I look at it like this--you wouldn't recommend injecting insulin into a human diabetic without testing their blood glucose levels, and it's exactly the same for cats. Just like people, you need daily tests to determine the correct dose of insulin. Otherwise, you're just guessing at what the dose should be and shooting blind, which is not only counterproductive, it's dangerous.

However, I understand that you may be hesitant to trust people online over your own vet, so I would urge you to do your own research. Here are the AAHA diabetes guidelines for dogs and cats for you to print and give to your vet: http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/AAHADiabetesGuidelines.pdf. Note on page 4 (218), where it says that home monitoring should be highly recommended and encouraged. I've also attached the veterinary article that the guidelines cite for you to give to your vet as well.

I would also urge you to read this veterinarian's page about diet and urinary tract issues: http://catinfo.org/#Cystitis_. You will have great difficulty regulating your cat until you change the diet, and a canned diet will be better for the urinary tract problems anyway since lack of moisture from dry food is what causes the urinary tract issues to begin with.

You also don't need your vet's blessing to change the diet or start home testing. You can go buy any human glucometer (many people use the Relion meter from Walmart because it has inexpensive strips). You can say your cat will no longer eat the prescription food and return it to your vet for a refund.

The three key factors that lead to regulation, and then remission in diabetic cats are a low carb canned diet, regulation via home testing, and a slow acting insulin. The majority of newly diagnosed cats go into remission when the correct steps in treatment are taken from the beginning--the sooner you get on the correct treatment path, the better are your chances of remission.

Unfortunately, people in your situation show up here more commonly than not--many vets either have not kept current on the subject, or are afraid the owner will freak out at the prospect of home monitoring. The best thing you can do is to research the subject on your own, and educate your vet. If your vet refuses to get on board with the correct treatment despite the information you're bringing him saying otherwise, then it's time to find a new vet. My current vet wasn't recommending all the right aspects of treatment when I started going there--but I provided them with veterinary articles and information that supported my choice of treatment for Bandit, and now they have completely changed their treatment guidelines at their practice. A good vet might not know everything, but they are willing to learn and change. :smile:
 

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