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Diane Tyler's Mom said:
So he dropped 63 points in 2 hours, I would test him at +4 if he is dropping lower test him @+5, if he is staying about the same test him @+6
You might have to feed him to bring his BG up
Is the only thing you have is the Dr Elsey's kibble, no wet food?

Most of us feed Fancy Feast Classic Pates
Then if the carbs aren't enough in the FF Pates you should have on hand
the Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers they are higher in carbs

Just keep testing him tonight and if you need help just post
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Yes he only has dr elseys but I think he got into some cheese earlier too after finding it in my daughters room. But I will keep testing. I’m just so worried about it since he had hypo, I check check on him all the time too just to make sure.
 
I used the chart when we made the switch last time. Hopefully I can get him to eat some again at least for maybe one meal. He normally will just stare at the food and meow. Then he refuses to eat until he throws up and makes himself. That why I went with dr elseys so at least he will eat.
 
JenaThompson said:
I used the chart when we made the switch last time. Hopefully I can get him to eat some again at least for maybe one meal. He normally will just stare at the food and meow. Then he refuses to eat until he throws up and makes himself. That why I went with dr elseys so at least he will eat.
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They are something else aren't they, do you mean he makes himself throw up
They are more work than children are
Looking at his picture , you just can't get mad at that adorable face
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
They are something else aren't they, do you mean he makes himself throw up
They are more work than children are
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Yea they are. He will sit by his bowl and meow and I keep telling him to eat but he will sit there until he puked. He does it in the morning too. I normally do test food shots starting at 6. This morning he woke me up at 5 am by jumping on me and biting my fingers. He finally quit and left the room and like 5 minutes later I can hear him throwing up by his bowl. He acts like he isn’t getting enough food sometimes. I have been splitting meals into 4 for the whole day and he always wants to finish everyone else’s bowl. And he also used to be about 22lbs and when diagnosed he was at 12 and the vet wanted him to lose weight. He now weights 14 but finally looks healthy and I can no long feel his whole spine.
 

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Jena I don't mean to laugh but that is too funny
What was that vet crazy wanting him to lose weight when he was 12 lbs
Maybe the dry food isn't filling him up enough
Sorry but do you mean if you don't feed him asap he will start to throw up?
Why was he throwing up by his bowl? Was it because you didn't feed him fast enough
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Jena I don't mean to laugh but that is too funny
What was that vet crazy wanting him to lose weight when he was 12 lbs
Maybe the dry food isn't filling him up enough
Sorry but do you mean if you don't feed him asap he will start to throw up?
Why was he throwing up by his bowl? Was it because you didn't feed him fast enough
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The vet thought he should weigh no more than 9lbs but he is big cat to start w and the pic I posted is him at 14lbs and he looks so much better than he did. I was still in bed at 530 am. So he still had 30 mins until breakfast time but yea if he is hungry he sits by the bowl and meows then if I don’t feed him he will start to throw up. I was leaving some wet food out during the day for him to munch on but his brother and sister get to it bc he won’t eat it so I have been doing morning feeding then they get snack about 5 hrs later then supper then snack about 4-5 hrs after that and he seems to be starving in the morning.
 
That's just too funny sorry I'm laughing, I would feed him sooner than 5 hours
I would try feeding him his breakfast, then 2 hours later a snack then 2-3 hours layer another snack, and then dinner , then a small snack before you go to bed
I know that Dr Elsey's is high in calories, how much are you feeding him, a cup , what?
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
That's just too funny sorry I'm laughing, I would feed him sooner than 5 hours
I would try feeding him his breakfast, then 2 hours later a snack then 2-3 hours layer another snack, and then dinner , then a small snack before you go to bed
I know that Dr Elsey's is high in calories, how much are you feeding him, a cup , what?
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He’s definitely a character and gets very vocal almost like a howl to wake me up. He gets 1/3 cup in the morning about half that for snack then 1/3 cut for supper and his last snack about half so 1 cup all day but he also eats from the other 2 dishes every chance he gets. He doesn’t eat all of it at once. He prefers to be a grazer but I make sure at supper he hasn’t had anything for at least 2 hrs before I test.
 
JenaThompson said:
He’s definitely a character and gets very vocal almost like a howl to wake me up. He gets 1/3 cup in the morning about half that for snack then 1/3 cut for supper and his last snack about half so 1 cup all day but he also eats from the other 2 dishes every chance he gets. He doesn’t eat all of it at once. He prefers to be a grazer but I make sure at supper he hasn’t had anything for at least 2 hrs before I test.
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So a cup a day is 554 calories, Just looked it up
That's a lot of calories even though its low carb, I'm talking about the chicken flavor
Maybe just try feeding him sooner, as long as he's not putting a lot of weight on ,give him a little more until you can start feeding him some moist
 
Yes that will work, give him about a tablespoon for now and then check him 30 minutes later

Just found this vetsulin forum, the sticky
How low should my cat’s BG drop on Caninsulin/Vetsulin?
Usually it's best that newcomers aim for a nadir no lower than 90 - 100 mg/dL [5 - 5.6 mmol] at the peak action of the cycle (as measured on a human glucose meter). This insulin can drop the BG quite sharply. Trying not to let the BG drop below this level gives an initial buffer of safety while the caregiver is learning the ropes.
If you are using a pet meter you may want to keep the nadir higher than is suggested for human meters. (If in doubt seek advice from your vet.)
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Yes that will work, give him about a tablespoon for now and then check him 30 minutes later

Just found this vetsulin forum, the sticky
How low should my cat’s BG drop on Caninsulin/Vetsulin?
Usually it's best that newcomers aim for a nadir no lower than 90 - 100 mg/dL [5 - 5.6 mmol] at the peak action of the cycle (as measured on a human glucose meter). This insulin can drop the BG quite sharply. Trying not to let the BG drop below this level gives an initial buffer of safety while the caregiver is learning the ropes.
If you are using a pet meter you may want to keep the nadir higher than is suggested for human meters. (If in doubt seek advice from your vet.)
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inlooked at this earlier also.
 
I just found what @Deb & Wink suggested to you about the dose , here it is I copied it for you, maybe you want to try the 0.5 units of vetsulin like Deb suggested, you can always increase it if needed


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    Vetsulin is a U40 concentration insulin. It IS possible to use U100 syringes with a U40 insulin. Like the Relion U100 syringes Diane recommended. It can get complicated, keeping track of the dose when you use U100 syringes with a U40 concentration insulin.
    We do have a conversion chart, for going from U40 measurements to how much to draw up in a U100 syringe.
    http://www.felinediabetes.com/insulin-conversions.htm

    I kind of wonder how low Optimus is dropping in the middle of the cycle and what the duration is for him on the Vetsulin. Most cats only get 8-10 hours before the Vetsulin "poops out", is used up. The only way to find that information out for YOUR cat, is to do some testing. ECID Every Cat is Different

    Since Optimus is a bit too low for you to comfortably give him his dose both AM and PM cycles, you need to find a dose that you can give in BOTH cycles. So how about trying to give him 0.5U of Vetsulin for now.

    And talk to your vet about switching insulins and the AAHA Guidelines that Cheryl linked for you.

 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
I just found what @Deb & Wink suggested to you about the dose , here it is I copied it for you


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    Vetsulin is a U40 concentration insulin. It IS possible to use U100 syringes with a U40 insulin. Like the Relion U100 syringes Diane recommended. It can get complicated, keeping track of the dose when you use U100 syringes with a U40 concentration insulin.
    We do have a conversion chart, for going from U40 measurements to how much to draw up in a U100 syringe.
    http://www.felinediabetes.com/insulin-conversions.htm

    I kind of wonder how low Optimus is dropping in the middle of the cycle and what the duration is for him on the Vetsulin. Most cats only get 8-10 hours before the Vetsulin "poops out", is used up. The only way to find that information out for YOUR cat, is to do some testing. ECID Every Cat is Different

    Since Optimus is a bit too low for you to comfortably give him his dose both AM and PM cycles, you need to find a dose that you can give in BOTH cycles. So how about trying to give him 0.5U of Vetsulin for now.

    And talk to your vet about switching insulins and the AAHA Guidelines that Cheryl linked for you.

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perfect thank you so much.
 
JenaThompson said:
We just tested again. It is now 130. I fed feel much better about it already. I’m going to head to bed now so my hubby is going to keep an eye on him
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You did great that's a good number , sleep well
Just a little something else to read

UNDERSTANDING 'ONSET', PEAK / NADIR and DURATION'
  • Caninsulin (Vetsulin) can quite often start to have an effect quite quickly after it’s been injected. The point at which the insulin starts to drop the BG is calledonset. After onset, BG will continue to drop for a time, and the process may speed up. Be aware that Caninsulin (Vetsulin) can sometimes drop the BG quite fast.
  • The lowest BG level of the cycle is referred to either as peak (peak insulin activity) or nadir (lowest BG). With Caninsulin (Vetsulin) you may see the peak/nadir of the cycle at around 4 - 4.5 hours after the shot. But it may be earlier or later than this. It may occur as early as 3 hours after the shot, and as late as 7 hours after.
  • The length of time that insulin remains active (lowers BG) in your cat’s system is called the duration. Caninsulin (Vetsulin) typically has a duration of 8 - 12 hours (depending on the individual cat).
  • If you learn to ‘home test’ you should be able to identify when onset, peak /nadir, and duration typically occur on a given dose of insulin. Knowing these patterns can be extremely helpful
 
Diane Tyler's Mom said:
Just please try to test him a lot more during the day and night , I don't know if the test strips came in that you ordered.
I was a little nervous myself , it was the first time helping someone and suggesting what to do. There are usually the more experienced members on this late.
But I'm glad everything worked out
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you were very helpful last night. He’s doing good this morning just having breakfast he was at 205 before eating today. Thank you so much I’ll def start testing him more.
 
Jena, please start a new thread and link this one into the top of the new thread. We like to keep threads to 50 posts or less when possible. Not during a lower numbers situation like last night, but in general.

Diane, you did great last night helping Jena with lower numbers. You knew what to do, so don't sell yourself short.
 
Deb & Wink said:
Jena, please start a new thread and link this one into the top of the new thread. We like to keep threads to 50 posts or less when possible. Not during a lower numbers situation like last night, but in general.

Diane, you did great last night helping Jena with lower numbers. You knew what to do, so don't sell yourself short.
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Aww thanks @Deb & Wink , I was a little nervous that I would tell her the wrong thing to do, but it felt good that I was able to help and pay it forward:cat:
 
JenaThompson said:
I have no idea how to do that. Would you be able to explain how.
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When you start a new thread, you can post a link to the previous thread in the very first post of the new one. That way, if we need to look back at something, we don’t have to search. To do that, copy the browser address of the old thread by just opening it. Then open a new thread, put your cursor in the text box, type anything like “Previous Thread” or “Last Thread” or the date of the last thread. Highlight it. Then in the toolbar above the text box, select the hyperlink icon which looks like a sideways paper clip. It’s the 7th icon from your left. When the box opens, paste the browser address you copied into the box. Click “insert”.
 
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