Not sure why you aren’t seeing it. It’s been on there for several days.
New here and Concerned about the numbers.....
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Diane Tyler's Mom GA
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Hi Marje when click on her avatar this it what I get
Feline Diabetes Message Board - FDMB - Error
This member limits who may view their full profile @Marje and Gracie
I get this on a lot of other members on here, I just want to see the name of their cat, the insulin used, meter, just the usual stuff someone puts in their signature
I even get this if I click on FurBabiesMama , it's weird
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Oh...so sorry. I thought you meant in the signature block. I am sure that is what he meant, too. What you are referring to is the profile. It is a member’s prerogative as to whether they want that info out there or not. They can choose to keep it private. It’s also possible they don’t know they can edit it.
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
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If I go to Goose avatar and click on it it will say . Profile Page. Follow and then ignore, but no word that says information
Then I click on Profile Page and that's what comes up.
I was just wondering how would someone be able to see the information about their kitty, no biggie
Because I have Moderator’s permissions, I can see all of it but I do know what you mean because, before I had Moderator’s permissions, there were many that I couldn’t see. I know exactly where you are talking about, but, again, it’s up to Goose as to whether he wants to change it. Some people really want privacy and don’t want to have that information out there. Yes, it makes it much easier for all of us because when I was not a moderator, if I was looking for a member’s posts and they had it selected like Goose, I couldn’t find their previous posts.
But again, either he isn’t aware that is how he has set it up or he wishes it to be that way.
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
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Thanks Marje I was just always wondering why?
I don’t know...it’s just the way the board was set up so members could maintain some privacy. There are scammers that come on the board.
Goose
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The SS has been updated from last week. We had 179k in the area again without power, so no Net was available. Twice in the last 2 weeks, the first was over 200k without power.
I've gone back to the original decision by the Vet, the dosage was 2U in the AM and 1U in the PM. This testing dosage has been going on for 5 days already. We'll carry on with this testing dosage for the 7 days as mentioned, if he's doing better, we'll continue longer. Let me know your opinions....
Let me know how the SS looks to you guys. Within the past day or two, the numbers look a little better. I've noticed that with the advent of wet food, he is drinking less water. Before he was drinking like a fish.
The wet food, Fancy Feast Classic, has been introduced into his schedule for eating as his first choice. He's eating about 25% of the 3oz. can at a time, and then some of the Dr. Elsey's dry cat food until he's finished eating.
I do have the 1/2 syringes now if suggestions on insulin need to be smaller dosages. Not great to hear that the syringes are notoriously inaccurate....
The added wrinkle is that we have a total of 8 cats. 5 are indoor only, the other 3 are in and out. These are drop off strays for he most part who have wandered here over the years and stayed. All have been fixed and aside from one, all are over 10 years old. 2 out of the 8 are MANX, with a 3rd almost a MANX with 3" tail.
So, some of my frustration is coming from the fact that separating them so Do Daa can eat is more difficult. He is the only cat we have ever had who has diabetes.
Thank you all for your help so far, it is appreciated.
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Do Daa (male cat), 11.5 years old, First Diagnosed 9/27/19, Prozinc insulin dosage 1.5U at the moment, Relion Prime, Dr. Elseys Clean Protein, No other meds or health issues. Goose in Coastal Maine. Do Daa's SS
MrWorfMen's Mom
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While giving different doses AM vs PM can work for a few cats, it's generally something that is only works once kitty is reasonably regulated. The full unit difference between the AM and PM doses is huge and at this point in time, I think it's just setting Do Daa up for more bouncing and skews the view of how much either dose is dropping BG. Consistent dosing at least until kitty is regulated is recommended. It doesn't look to me like numbers have changed much if at all on the new dosing.
I would suggest trying 1.75u consistently morning and night along with some monitoring to see how that works but the decision is yours to make.
I would suggest trying 1.75u consistently morning and night along with some monitoring to see how that works but the decision is yours to make.
Goose
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Hi,
We wanted to try the Vets numbers more thoroughly as not to completely dismiss her suggestions.
1.75U am and pm is upping his dosage to 3.5U per day vs. 3U per day now. Is this the route you'd like me to try? Slightly more insulin for better numbers? How long do we try this dosage? We did the 2U am and 1U pm for 7 days.
Don't know how accurate/consistent I'll will be trying to get 1.75U each time if the syringes are notoriously inaccurate.
The SS is updated. The numbers do seem to be constantly high still no matter the dosage. But, seeing a lot more in the 300's and 400's now also....
MrWorfMen's Mom
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I suggested 1.75u because that would be the next logical dose adjustment based on the data you have. 1.5u wasn't enough and we recommend 0.25u dose increases so as not to inadvertently miss the best dose. You were giving 3u per day and increasing each shot by 0.25u will increase the daily dose to 3.5u. We usually just refer to the singular dose amount here.
I'd hold the dose for at least 3 days (6 cycles) and if numbers are improving, up to a week. And don't forget to get those night time tests EVERY night. If you make it a habit to test Do Daa as part of your bedtime routine, it will become second nature. Most cats go lower at night than during the day so missing that data leaves half the picture blank.
While syringe markings can be inaccurate, the important part is to be consistent. Get a used syringe and draw up what you consider to be 1.75u using coloured water. Use that sample syringe as a way of measuring future 1.75u doses consistently.
I'd hold the dose for at least 3 days (6 cycles) and if numbers are improving, up to a week. And don't forget to get those night time tests EVERY night. If you make it a habit to test Do Daa as part of your bedtime routine, it will become second nature. Most cats go lower at night than during the day so missing that data leaves half the picture blank.
While syringe markings can be inaccurate, the important part is to be consistent. Get a used syringe and draw up what you consider to be 1.75u using coloured water. Use that sample syringe as a way of measuring future 1.75u doses consistently.
Goose
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Ok. So starting tomorrow morning through Saturday we'll set the dosage at 1.75 am and pm and see what his numbers look like Sunday AM. He actually ate 3/4 of a fancy feast can today, he hardly has ever eaten wet food for 11 years, but still likes the crunch of the dry food more.
Just noticed you are shooting different doses a.m. and p.m. I agree with @MrWorfMen's Mom that this is not the best strategy. I thought you were going to shoot 1.75u twice a day? He looks to me like he needs more insulin at a consistent dose.
Goose
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We went back to what the Vet had suggested to us more than a month ago, 2U am, 1U pm - we did that for a week for consistent numbers on that dosage.
We just started him on 1.75U or a rough/best guess on the syringe, on 11/7. I've noticed that he's numbers are showing more 500's than the previous 300's with 2U/1U. We'll see what they look like after 3 days like MrWorfMens's Mom mentioned. Seems like this isn't getting easier to find the correct dosage.
I’m afraid I can’t comment since the SS isn’t updated. But it is really my thought that his dose is going to need to go up above 2u; however, it’s best to get there by 0.25u increments after doses are held several cycles.
You haven’t found the right dose because you’ve been holding the wrong dose for too long
And you only recently started testing more at night (great job!!) so that we could actually see the dose wasn’t correct. We have found that dosing different amounts just doesn’t work in cases like this. Vets suggest it because they don’t understand FD.
Goose
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I’m afraid I can’t comment since the SS isn’t updated. But it is really my thought that his dose is going to need to go up above 2u; however, it’s best to get there by 0.25u increments after doses are held several cycles.
You haven’t found the right dose because you’ve been holding the wrong dose for too long
Holding the dosages that we have tried was based on getting a consistent, thorough readings over a/the 3-7 day stretch. We've come a long way in 6 weeks, and dosages have been different many times since the beginning.
I was planning on updating the SS on Sunday when there were more numbers available. Testing more at night is more difficult as +3 at his 9PM shot is 12AM. Do Daa is being a good sport about it but obviously we'd like to find the correct dosage or maybe switch to a different insulin if this one is proving non-effective.
With his numbers, I wouldn’t be holding doses 7 days. Why leave him in higher numbers? PZ is not a depot insulin like Lantus and Levemir and so you easily see the effects within a 3-6 cycles of consistent dosing.
None of us can give dosing advice if the SS is only updated once a week. We typically say give an insulin like Lantus, Levemir, PZ six months of proper dosing and see how it goes before switching. Of course, it’s fine if you choose to switch to Lantus or Levemir. They are more gold standard insulins. But the approach is completely different.
Goose
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I really don't want to leave him in high numbers at all, and his Ketones have been negative. The SS is usually updated a couple times a week or more. I was just going to wait to update it until I got more numbers on 1.75U, no other reason. We are absolutely looking for proper dosing as soon as we can.
The standard here is to update the SS as soon as you test. That way, if he drops, everything is current. If the SS is not current, it limits our ability to help you.
Goose
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SS is updated.
Thank you!
If you don’t see any blue numbers tonight, I’d raise the dose to 2u every 12 hours in the morning.
Goose
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SS Updated.
No blue numbers. He hasn't been in the blue in a long time. We'll start 2U (am/pm) in the morning. This will be for the same 3/4 days?
If you can get a few tests tonight. Honestly, unless you see lower than 200, you should not hold any dose longer than six cycles.
Thanks for updating!
Thanks for updating!
Goose
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I'm not sure I understand. Any dose longer than 3 days? So if 2U doesn't work than ..
He's been in the 200's 6 times since we started.
Things change. The longer he’s at high numbers, the more resistance to the insulin. We are just looking where he’s been most recently.
So yes, I’d give 2u every 12 hours for three days. If no numbers below 200 and you have enough tests for us to tell he didn’t likely go lower, then we raise the dose to 2.25u every 12 hours.
Goose
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Looking back over the SS, he's been quite high to really high the whole time. I would rather he not develop a resistance to the insulin. Now, is that just a resistance to Prozinc or all insulin?
Likely all of the longer lasting insulins.
He’s been high because your vet had you drop the dose back and then shoot different doses a.m. and p.m. And....we needed more tests to see how low he might be going. All these things contributed to numbers staying high longer.
I have moved the remainder of this post to the PZ Forum. It can be found at Do Daa’s PZ Dosing.
Any further comments on Do Daa should be submitted on the linked thread above. Thank you!
Any further comments on Do Daa should be submitted on the linked thread above. Thank you!
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