New Diabetic Cat Mom - stressed and looking for advice

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Hi, I'm new to the life of a diabetic cat owner and have just had the most stressful week and a half possible. If anyone has time to read and provide support/advice/a similar background, I would appreciate it!

I've had my little Bitters for about 4 years now. Prior to that, he had been a stray, and we're estimating his age to be about 12. When he came to me, he had periodontal disease, was front-declawed, and was discovered to have Stage 2 Kidney disease. We immediately put him on a renal wet diet, and he has remained stable at Stage 2. Since then, we've realized he's deaf, has developed some arthritis (managed with a joint supplement and 1.5mg gabapentin), and has a benign mediastinal cyst in front of his heart that needs occasional draining.
About 1.5ish years ago, we switched him to a different renal wet food, and he pretty quickly developed chronic diarrhea and discomfort using the litterbox, which went away anytime we went through a period of feeding him non-renal wet food. I started bringing it up to the vet, and each time felt I was ignored for something else. After a year of begging for them to prescribe a new diet food, run tests, do SOMETHING, in May they finally offered a different food and prescribed prednisolone from acetate,4.6mg/day for IBD (despite never actually testing for IBD). Since we moved cross-country shortly thereafter, we held off starting the new food to avoid further digestive upset. We've just switched him over now. I felt uncomfortable putting him on steroids, but the vets insisted that IBD is the most likely cause and that this wouldn't be too harsh on him. The prednisolone seemed to make defecating less uncomfortable for him, but the diarrhea never fully went away.

Flash-forward 3 months later, and he started having issues using the litterbox. We took him to the ER to get tests done, and the vet found he was dehydrated despite drinking a lot (which we believed was a side-effect of his CKD), and had dropped over a pound since moving (despite having a strong appetite). He was also passing A LOT of stool. His test results came back and his Blood Glucose was at 443, his urine glucose at 3+, while his CKD had stayed stable. He was also frighteningly anemic, but the ER vet never actually brought that up to me, I learned it later. The last time he had tests done, in May before the move, his BG was slightly elevated (193, highest it had ever been) and there were trace amounts of glucose in the urine - something the vets chalked up to stress. So, in the 3 months since starting prednisolone, a drug given to him without completely ensuring he needed it, his BG SHOT UP. We immediately got an appointment set up with a primary vet to get him evaluated and started on insulin, but only a few days later his legs got really weak and he could barely walk. The primary vet allowed us to bring him in same day, as they were concerned he was in diabetic shock. Fortunately, his anemia had not progressed further and there were no ketones in his urine, but his BG had shot up so high that the vet couldn't even get a number (the machine just said "High"). His blood pressure was also high (something they didn't take at the ER).

They immediately started him on Prozinc (1u twice a day) and a probiotic, told us to start weening him off of the steroid, stop the Gabapentin, and prescribed him Amlopidine for his blood pressure and Metronidazole for his diarrhea. When he's in a more stable state, they then want to do a sonogram to confirm IBD. We're taking him back tomorrow to check his levels again and have a proper introductory checkup. He's still confined to one room, and he's still eating, drinking, and going to the bathroom, but he's obviously still urinating a lot and defecating on the floor, and his back legs are still extremely weak/he's still dizzy. We've resorted to laying out potty pads with a scattering of litter for him, because he can't navigate a litterbox right now. A friend is also arranging to get us a BG monitor from a friend of theirs.

This was very long, but what it comes down to is: I feel terrible. This came on so fast, and my kitty that only 2 weeks ago could confidently navigate the stairs to our bed now can barely stand up while eating his food. I'm grateful that we finally have a vet listening to me, but I'm frustrated that I feel like this all could've been avoided if the vets would've listened the first 20 times, instead of brushing it of and then throwing a drug at him without being clear about the potential side effects. I'm mad that, even when telling me about potential diabetes, the ER vet didn't even MENTION his anemia. I feel awful because he can't groom himself, and every time we clean him up he either soils himself in his carrier or by falling over while going to the bathroom, so we can't even keep him clean. He's still alert and bright-eyed and WANTS to be his normal self. Can anyone who has a cat with steroid-induced diabetes provide some words of wisdom or comfort? Have you experienced that sudden decline, and have you been able to pull him back? I feel like I failed him by letting this happen and just want my little man sleeping next to me like he used to.
 
Oh my goodness. I'm so sorry for what you're going through.

I don't have the experiences with multiple diseases like this, so I'm afraid I have no expertise to offer you on that front.

I do know that if his wobblyness is due to diabetic neuropathy, that is often reversible once the blood sugar is under control. Vitamin B12 Methylcobalamin also helps with this condition. Zobaline is cat-specific and kind of expensive. A generic Methyl B12 (with no added ingredients) mixed into wet foods can also help decrease neuropathy. I used these from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IQB2UYS/?tag=felinediabetesfdmb-20
The capsules were easy to open and mix in to Chloe's food. I did 1 capsule once a day. It's tasteless, and any unused amount gets peed out, so I didn't have to worry if I was giving her too much. It doesn't act immediately, but I did notice some improvements after the first week or so.

However, wobblyness is also a symptom of other conditions. Hopefully you get some more answers with tomorrow's visit.

I'm also glad to see that the ER vet gave you an appropriate cat insulin and started Bitters on a safe dose. That's puts you far ahead of so many of us.

You have not failed your kitty. You are here, you are learning, and you are doing all you can because you love him more than anyone else in his life. He could not be in better hands. The first few weeks of DX are awful. I cried so many times. We are here for you.
 
I'm with @Librarianista on this one. I don't have experience with multiple diseases like that but I have had kitties in the past with other severe "ailments". Everyone here knows how stressful it can be and we feel your pain. Don't get down on yourself for thinking you could have done more. Cats are very good at hiding how they feel and they can go down pretty rapidly. I've come close to losing a few kitties over the years because I failed to notice warning signs. But we do the best we can do with the information we have. Sometimes it's not always cut & dry.

Just wanted to send some words of encouragement. I know it's scary and we've all been there (or are there right now). You sound like a great mom who's doing all she can do. It sounds promising that Bitters wants to be his normal self and hopefully weaning off the steroid will get his sugars in a normal range and things will begin to improve.

We're here for you. Even if just for a shoulder to cry on or a place to vent. There are lots of people here with years of experience who can hopefully give you some direction & encouragement.
 
Oh my goodness. I'm so sorry for what you're going through.

I don't have the experiences with multiple diseases like this, so I'm afraid I have no expertise to offer you on that front.

I do know that if his wobblyness is due to diabetic neuropathy, that is often reversible once the blood sugar is under control. Vitamin B12 Methylcobalamin also helps with this condition. Zobaline is cat-specific and kind of expensive. A generic Methyl B12 (with no added ingredients) mixed into wet foods can also help decrease neuropathy. I used these from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IQB2UYS/?tag=felinediabetesfdmb-20
The capsules were easy to open and mix in to Chloe's food. I did 1 capsule once a day. It's tasteless, and any unused amount gets peed out, so I didn't have to worry if I was giving her too much. It doesn't act immediately, but I did notice some improvements after the first week or so.

However, wobblyness is also a symptom of other conditions. Hopefully you get some more answers with tomorrow's visit.

I'm also glad to see that the ER vet gave you an appropriate cat insulin and started Bitters on a safe dose. That's puts you far ahead of so many of us.

You have not failed your kitty. You are here, you are learning, and you are doing all you can because you love him more than anyone else in his life. He could not be in better hands. The first few weeks of DX are awful. I cried so many times. We are here for you.


Thank you so much for your advice - I'll ask my vet tomorrow about B12 vitamins! The primary vet thinks the wobbliness is due to high blood pressure, but also potentially neuropathy. They hope the amlopidine will help, as well as taking him off the gabapentin.
 
Thank you so much for your advice - I'll ask my vet tomorrow about B12 vitamins! The primary vet thinks the wobbliness is due to high blood pressure, but also potentially neuropathy. They hope the amlopidine will help, as well as taking him off the gabapentin.
Make sure to get B12 Methyl, not just regular B12 as they are not the same.
I am not sure why you are removing the Gaba. Is Bitters getting anything else for pain?
What prescription food did they have Bitters on? (Sometimes they are the cause of diarrhea, I have found.)
Make sure your probiotic is a sound one. I find S. Boulardii to be better than others...but Each Cat Is Different.
Hugs,
Oh, and I forgot. My Mama Missy got diabetes brought on by steroids/pred she was taking for asthma. After being on Lantus (2 units 2X a day) she went into remission within 6 weeks.
 
Hi and welcome to FDMB.

We are here to help you. One thing that will help you with his diabetes is to learn to home test. This means testing his glucose levels at home using either a human or pet glucose meter. Most members use the human meters since the strips are more available at your pharmacy and less expensive to use. But both meters work well. By testing at home you will know if it is safe to give the dose and how well it is working to control his glucose levels. This is very important since he has multiple health issues that could affect glucose levels. Your vet can show you how to test or we can help you learn how. I am hoping your vet will not be one who discourages home testing, if so, you do not need his permission to test.

We have several members that have cats with multiple health issues. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.
 
https://felinecrf.org/
Hopefully, you have been hanging out on this site. (CKD kitties help)
On Bitters pooping a lot. Sister was, too. Before diagnosis, she was ravenous and eating twice what my other cats ate so it all made sense later. Diabetic kitties consume more and still lose weight because their body is unable to get sufficient nutrients. (Or something like that...)
Once on Lantus, that ceased.
I do not know where you are located, but getting a ReliOn glucometer at Wal-Mart is less than $10. Just go get one and pick up matching test strips rather than waiting to borrow one.
 
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Make sure to get B12 Methyl, not just regular B12 as they are not the same.
I am not sure why you are removing the Gaba. Is Bitters getting anything else for pain?
What prescription food did they have Bitters on? (Sometimes they are the cause of diarrhea, I have found.)
Make sure your probiotic is a sound one. I find S. Boulardii to be better than others...but Each Cat Is Different.
Hugs,
Oh, and I forgot. My Mama Missy got diabetes brought on by steroids/pred she was taking for asthma. After being on Lantus (2 units 2X a day) she went into remission within 6 weeks.

That's so relieving to here about Missy - it gives me hope we can get Bitters into remission as well.
I'll make sure to ask about the Methyl. The probiotic they prescribed is Advita.
The vet said he didn't seem to be experiencing pain and thinks the gaba is making him even more disorientated on top of the dizziness from his blood pressure. He's on a low dose but is sensitive to anything sedative. I'm gonna keep a close on him and talk to them about putting him back on it if pain seems to crop back up (or if they see that he's in pain when he isn't taking it, since he's a new client and they don't know what he was like before he started it).
He was taking Purina ProPlan renal food. He had just started it over a year ago when his chronic diarrhea developed, and I noticed the diarrhea would fade when he would be on a different food for any length of time. I brought it up to his prior vets multiple times, but they didn't do anything about it until I insisted they give me a scrip for new food. We've just transitioned him to Hill's Science renal food, and we're gonna see if that helps. I'll also order a BG reader right away - thank you for the tip!
 
So one thing many of us have learned is that unless they are specialists, vets don't necessarily receive a lot of training in feline diabetes or nutrition. I hope you have a vet that's willing to learn and work with you, but many of use add vitamins and supplements without consulting our vets. I'm not saying don't ask - I just want you to be prepared. Many of the resources on this site include legit published veterinary research, but some vets are skeptical if you mention researching the condition online.

I do not know about prescription diets for other diseases, but at least for "diabetic recipes," it's more of a marketing term rather than having any actual extra nutritional value. If your cat is reacting poorly to the food you have him on, it may be worth researching non-prescription options. For diabetics, you want low carb. For kidney issues, I am learning you want low phosphorous. For loose stools, plain pumpkin puree is one of the standard treatments. The site posted above has a really great page on managing diabetes and CKD. Unfortunately most of the renal prescription wet foods are too high in carbs for diabetic cats.

I've recently become a champion of Weruva foods. They make all their nutritional info easily available. Their website has it in graphic forms. The giant food chart in this forum has some of the flavors, but not a lot of the newer ones. I have compiled their current offerings in my SS for sortability purposes. It lets me easily find foods that are both low carb (<10% carbs) and low phosphorous (<250 mg/100cal). If there are fat/protein needs, that's there too.
 
Found this when I did a search in the search box
Posted by one of our members
For kitties with kidney problems



. First number is carb percentage, second is mgs of phosphorus/100 cals, all less than 10% carb and less than 250 mg phos:

Weruva Truluxe Steak Frites can 6% 118
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen La Isla Bonita can 3% 166
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen Pates Meowiss Bueller pouch 7% 174
Weruva Truluxe Glam 'N Punk can 0.6% 180
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen Fowl Ball can 4% 180
Weruva Classic Pates Jeopurrdy Licious pouch 4% 187
Weruva Classic Pates Family Food pouch 0% 191
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen Pates Cattyshack pouch 9% 211
BFF PLAY Tuna & Salmon Shhh... pouch 3% 223
BFF PLAY Tuna & Turkey Totes! pouch 2% 226
BFF PLAY Tuna & Chicken Chill Out pouch 2% 226
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen Pates Cat to the Future pouch 8% 235
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen Pates The Breakfast Cat pouch 9.7% 235
Weruva Classic Pates Meal of Fortune pouch 8% 236
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen Lamburgini can 8% 236
Weruva Cats in the Kitchen Double Dip can 8% 248
 
Always aim for the sweet spot warm the ears up first, you can put rice in a sock and put it in the microwave, test it on the inside of your wrist to be sure it's not to hot, like you would test a babies bottle. You can fill a pill bottle with warm water and roll it on the ears also.Just keep rubbing the ears with your fingers to warm them up
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6. As the ears get used to bleeding and grow more capilares, it gets easier to get the amount of blood you need on the first try. If he won’t stand still, you can get the blood onto a clean finger nail and test from there.
When you do get some blood you can try milking the ear.
Get you finger and gently push up toward the blood , more will appear
You will put the cotton round behind his ear in case you poke your finger, after you are done testing you will fold the cotton round over his ear to stop the bleeding , press gently for about 20 seconds until it stops
Get 26 or 28 gauge lancets
A lot of us use the lancets to test freehand
I find it better to see where I'm aiming

VIDEO: How to test your cat's blood sugar
Here is a video one of our members did
 
You might want to add to your title Multiple Diseases Help
When you start to test him at home we have a spreadsheet that we use to track our cat's BG and see how the insulin is working , I will give you the link to set it up , if you have trouble setting it up just post need help with spreadsheet
Once you gather some data we can advise if you need help with dosing


This will also explain how it works
You can take a look at other peoples spreadsheets , it's at the end of everyone's posts
https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/how-to-create-a-spreadsheet.241706/


Link about Prozinc below
https://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/prozinc-dosing-methods.225629/
 
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