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natalie&bella

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Hi, My name is Natalie and my cat, Bella was recently diagnosed with diabetes. As of right now, she is currently on 2.5 milligrams of Lantus twice daily. Our vet prescribed Purina DM for dry kibble. Can anyone provide any assistance with other foods less expensive? We have 3 cats and they all eat dry kibble and then wet food for dinner, so buying the DM is going to be pretty expensive. I have no idea how to care for Bella, with the exception of her shots. My vet is great but any other help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!!!
 
Welcome to the Board Natalie and Bella!

The Lantus dose appears to be high for just a new diagnosis- do you know how your vet came up with that? Usually the starting dose is .5u or 1u twice a day.

The correct FOOD-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... hYXc#gid=0 (called Hobo's List)
http://binkyspage.tripod.com/canfood.html (called binky's list)

You want to look for canned food that is low carb. The two lists above are ones that we use- look for the %kcal/carbs- under 10 (5 is better) in both lists. Feed the best you can afford. Most do Fancy Feast, Friskies, 9-lives. This will also help with the UTI- dry food is, well, dry. Canned food has more moisture and when you add water to it the water content is increased- all the better to pee a lot. You do NOT need vet prescription food- it is overpriced, high carbs, and contains high quantities of liver- which most cats won't eat day in and day out. If you bought some just take it back and say your kitty stopped eating it. They should refund even if it is opened. We have several people with multi-cat households that feed just canned as dry food is basically air-filled candy. The DM that you get at the vet is just a brand- the same producers make Fancy Feast, Friskies, and 9-lives- AND it comes in more flavors and not so much liver.

Home testing- IMPORTANT!!!
You need to get a glucometer to test your cat- a human meter is fine and reliable to use. It reads different than the pet ones but all you really need is the consistency of the levels day in and day out. You might be able to get a free one- there is a spot just at the top of every page that says home testing kits. Here is a link to what's inside:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=60261

If you purchase one here is a list from Consumer Reports:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=70140

You need to look at the ones that have the cheapest strips- not the cheapest meter. The meter you will buy once, the strips you will continue to purchase over and over again. A lot of people on the board use the Relion micro/confirm meters from Wal-mart because the strips are the cheapest around- $.36 each and usually easy to get (and you can get the strips even cheaper online through the ADW site). Bayer is another popular one. Stay away from the generic kinds that have the word TRUE in the name- those are inaccurate at higher #'s or don't go above 299- and another bad one is the Freestyle Light with the butterfly on the strips- both of these have led many pet owners to believe their cats were okay when they were really in trouble. And you can do your own curves at home when you hometest- that is cheaper than doing it at the vet.

To keep up with the BG #'s there is a spread sheet (SS) that we link to our signature line. Here is the link to set up:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18207

Incidentals-
- I would suggest getting ketosticks (found in the diabetic supply aisle) to test your kitty for ketones that lead to DKA- this is a very serious and deadly (and EXPENSIVE) illness. For $7 you get 50 strips- the best insurance against ketones possible. If you catch it early the easier it is to treat.
- Lancets- for your first box go for the lowest gauge you can find- 26 or 28. His ears won't bleed that much at the start. There are so many u-tube videos out there that can show you how to test the ear. You can either use the lancet pen or free-hand. I free-hand as I feel like I have more control over the pointy end. After the first box is used up you can switch to 31 gauge.
- TREATS! In the videos you see the cats eager to be tested. That is because they are shamelessly bribed into sitting still because of a yummy treat that is given after testing. Freeze-dried chicken, beef, shrimp are no carb treats and there are others out there that get used as well. Give this treat ONLY a poke time- tests or shots. Your cat might not care for treats, mine never did. She just knows it comes before her food

Good luck with the information! We are always here to help. If you post city/state where you are we might have a member close to you who can show you some ropes.

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natalie&bella said:
Hi, My name is Natalie and my cat, Bella was recently diagnosed with diabetes.

Welcome :-D

As of right now, she is currently on 2.5 milligrams of Lantus twice daily.

Not milligrams. Insulin is most commonly measured in units, sometimes as milliliters or cc (cubic centimeers) since it is a liquid. Your dose is 2.5 units (aka 0.025 ml or 0.025 cc) which most people here will say is too much to start with. It's better to start at a very low dose of either 0.5 units or 1 unit twice a day than to give too much insulin and risk hypoglycemia.

Lantus is a good insulin to use :smile: There are some things to know about how Lantus works for cats. Many vets are unaware of these things. You can read the stickies at the top of the Lantus board: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewforum.php?f=9

Our vet prescribed Purina DM for dry kibble. Can anyone provide any assistance with other foods less expensive? We have 3 cats and they all eat dry kibble and then wet food for dinner, so buying the DM is going to be pretty expensive.

All the cats can eat canned food :smile: It's better for them than dry food, as explained athttp://www.catinfo.org There are many multi-cat households here and most if not all people just feed all their cats the same canned food.

There are many commercial brands of food you can feed such as Fancy Feast, Wellness, andf Friskies.

Here are the food charts and lists we use:

Binky's canned food charts
Pet Food Nutritional Values list
Hobo's Guide To Nutritional Values
Dr. Lynne's Wet Food list
List of low carb gluten free Fancy Feast

On Binky's charts, stick with foods that have a number 10 or less in the carbs colum. On the Pet Food Nutritional Values Chart and Hobo's Guide, look at the %kcal from carbs column and choose foods that have a number 10 or less.

Some people here make their own raw food or buy a commerical raw pet food.

Treats: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9172

I have no idea how to care for Bella, with the exception of her shots. My vet is great but any other help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!!!


Did the vet say anything about testing your cat's blood glucose levels at home? It's something you really need to be doing. Blindly giving insulin without knowing what the blood glucose level is can be dangerous. Your cat can become hypoglycemic in a matter of hours. Plus, by testing at home you can save money because you aren't paying the vet to do curves which aren't accurate.

You just need a Human blood glucose meter, not a fancy pet meter. Wal Mart's Relion brand of meters is good. Avoid meters that have "Tru" in the name and the FreeStyle brand. These aren't accurate.

Feel free to browse the main site for helpful articles and information on how to manage your cat's diabetes :smile: http://www.felinediabetes.com/ /url] And post here with any questions.
 
Hi Natalie - It's very challenging to curb/monitor the eating habits in a multi-cat household, so I can feel your pain. My only suggestion to that would be to try to wean your sugar cat off the dry entirely, and feed him separate from the other cats.

Home testing: mandatory. :) my cat has been a sugar daddy for four years and I honestly don't think he'd be around today if I didn't home test.

Purina DM: forget about it. Refer to Binky's food chart on what you should be feeding your sugar kitty. That's what I did and it's the best resource around.
 
Thank you everyone for your assistance! It brings tears to my eyes seeing how many of us love our kitties so much that we will do what is necessary to give them a happy, healthy and loving life. You are all so wonderful and I'm sure I'll be asking for more help once I start my own testing.

I'm not sure why my vet started her at such a high dosage, and he even increased it yesterday and we go back on Friday for another test. Hopefully soon I'll know all the appropriate terms so I don't sound like I have no idea what I'm talking about - even though at this point I don't. LOL.

Thanks again!
 
natalie&bella said:
I'm not sure why my vet started her at such a high dosage, and he even increased it yesterday and we go back on Friday for another test.

When my cat (Pookie, the sugar daddy) was first diagnosed, my vet at the time was very adamant to start with with a small dose. She would only increase the dose based on tests of the blood sugar. I would suggest asking your vet what he is basing the dosage increase on. Also, I was under the impression that any increase of dosage should be done gradually, not right away. My impression is that your vet seems to be working fast, and insulin is not one of those things you can be fast with. Anyway, consider all the info/resources posted here as well as following your gut instinct, have a thorough discussion with your vet and don't be afraid to ask questions. :) Good luck!
 
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