Need advice for newly diagnosed feline diabetic pet

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milfordcollector

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Good Afternoon! My name is Cindy & I have a female tabby, 12 yrs old that was diagnosed 12 month ago. The vet gave me a prescription for gargline insulin which I have not gotten filled yet. I'm trying to learn all I can about this disease & nervous about starting her on the insulin. I have changed her food from high carb dry food, which she used to nibble on all day long. She is now being fed Fancy Feast wet food, looking for no grains in ingredients list. I've been reading about Dia-lonx supplement to support glucose levels. Does anyone have feedback on this product, worth buying/trying? before I try insulin.....& also ANY advice that would benefit my cat & help her feel much better & a better quality of life! Thanks for everyone's input :smile:
 
Welcome Cindy and tabby!

A few questions-
Have you gotten a meter to test at home?
How often do you feed her? Is she free fed wet like she was dry?
Do you check for ketones?

I have no experience with teh Dia-lonx supplements so I cannot help you there.
Glargine is a good insulin- we call it Lantus. I wouldn't go too long without giving her insulin because if her numbers show she is not regulated she is basically starving to death while eating everything she can get into her mouth. But it is good to change her food before you give her insulin.

Keep asking questions as it is the best way to learn.
 
Hi! no I have not gotten a meter yet, can you recommend? I give Sabrina 1 can in the am & 1 about this time(5:00 PM) & she gobbles them down....Guess from her sugar level not being stabilized? My concern....when I start insulin I won't be able to monitor her because I'm away from the house apprx 10 hrs a day.....hypoglecemia is a big worry & I'd come home to a dead kitty :sad: I wanted to try the supplement for 1 week & then check her glucose. As far as I know she doesn't have ketones in her urine....is there a specific home test for that also? I printed out the AAHA Diabetics Management Guideline I found on the website & will sit down after dinner to try to absorb what's being discussed. I'm sure I'll have many more questions afterwards......will keep you informed Thnx
 
milfordcollector said:
Hi! no I have not gotten a meter yet, can you recommend? I give Sabrina 1 can in the am & 1 about this time(5:00 PM) & she gobbles them down....Guess from her sugar level not being stabilized? My concern....when I start insulin I won't be able to monitor her because I'm away from the house apprx 10 hrs a day.....hypoglecemia is a big worry & I'd come home to a dead kitty :sad: I wanted to try the supplement for 1 week & then check her glucose. As far as I know she doesn't have ketones in her urine....is there a specific home test for that also? I printed out the AAHA Diabetics Management Guideline I found on the website & will sit down after dinner to try to absorb what's being discussed. I'm sure I'll have many more questions afterwards......will keep you informed Thnx

In order to dose Lantus safely and effectively (according to the dosing protocol), you need to get at least three tests a day--once before each shot (every 12 hours), and then one tests about halfway through one of the cycles to see how much the insulin actually lowering his blood sugar. It's also good to get a curve (testing every 2hrs for a twelve hour cycle) at least once a week. Cats that are dosed according to the protocol (with tests 3 times a day) on a low carb diet have an 86% remission rate when this treatment plan is started within the first few months of diagnosis. The longer you wait to treat according to the recommended treatment plan, the less likely it is that your cat will reach remission.

When Bandit was on insulin (he's been in remission for several years, and is doing great), I was working two jobs and going to grad school. My full time job kept me away from home for nearly twelve hours during the day, because I also had an 1hr commute in either direction (which meant I could not run home to test on my lunch break). Bandit's shots were at 7am/7pm. So what I did was test and shoot at 7am, go to work, get home a little before 7pm and test and shoot again, get a test before bed at 10-11pm (3-4 hours after the shot), and then I would set an alarm for 1am, get up and test him quickly, then go right back to sleep. Yes, it was a pain the first couple weeks while my body adjusted, but after that it wasn't even an issue. Many parents do this with newborns to a much greater extent.

The thing is, that little extra work you put into adjusting your schedule and getting those needed tests will pay off for both you and your cat in the long run. You'll have the data you need to make the correct dosing decisions, which will most likely lead to your cat no longer needing insulin. This is the least inconvenient situation for you (only having to test once every couple weeks or so), and is the healthiest condition for your cat to be in. Also, it will save you loads of panic and worry because it majorly lessens the chances of a severe hypoglycemic incident, because the small dose adjustments combined with the the daily testing make sure you'll catch and adjust the dose as his pancreas heals and his need for insulin lessens.

I would also urge you to check out the stickies in the Lantus Forum, because they contain a ton of really useful information: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewforum.php?f=9. I know the first few weeks will feel like information overload, but just get through it the best you can, and don't be afraid to ask for advice with scheduling, testing, dosing, or any other questions you might have!

As for meters, one good one with inexpensive strips that is pretty popular here is the Relion confirm or micro from Walmart, if you're in the US.

Also, diabetic cats do best when fed multiple times a day--can you split up those meals so that you're feeding half a can 4 times a day instead of 1 can twice a day? I freeze the portion and put it in an auto feeder for Bandit when I'm not home to feed him during the day (or when I want to sleep in on the weekend). If your cat will wait for the food to thaw before gnawing on it, you can just leave it out frozen without a feeder.
 
Hi Cindy, my cat Pepe was just diagnosed last week and this site has been great! Look at the top right, there is a place to click for a Home Testing kit. I ordered mine this weekend and just got it (Monday being a holiday) We had an appt and I was 1 point less than the doctor's test. It wasn't hard doing the test, just getting him to hold still a sec for me to touch the blood to the strip. He wanted to eat! :) I've been nervous about the shots but he doesn't seem to notice I'm giving them. What was your cat's blood glucose at the vets?
 
Afternoon! Talked to my vet today & she said Sabrina's BGL was 349 when diagnosed 1-1/2 months ago......The vet also said if Lantus is too cost prohibitive she would give me a script for Humilin NPH. Ok, now I need to find out the pros & cons of each medication & weigh that against the cost! :sad: Again looking for an answer from people who are more experienced than I. I did order the meter through feline diabetes & hope to learn about testing as soon as I get it. The vet also said doing a glucose curve @ home gives more accurate results as Sabrina won't get stressed out. I will also be starting a journal & chart her progress....Thank You everyone for knowledge & support............Cindy & Sabrina :RAHCAT
 
Quick reply .....don't get that N insulin. Lantus is excellent and worth the extra cost. N is fast acting, short duration, and some vets start cats on it and next thing you know the owners have to get another insulin. N just doesn't do it for 99 1/2% of cats. Lantus also has a good remission rate in cats if you go to canned food only, hometest and do curves, and never shoot before testing. Others will be on to help but please don't go to that N insulin. Great for dogs, not cats.
 
milfordcollector said:
Afternoon! Talked to my vet today & she said Sabrina's BGL was 349 when diagnosed 1-1/2 months ago......The vet also said if Lantus is too cost prohibitive she would give me a script for Humilin NPH. Ok, now I need to find out the pros & cons of each medication & weigh that against the cost! :sad: Again looking for an answer from people who are more experienced than I. I did order the meter through feline diabetes & hope to learn about testing as soon as I get it. The vet also said doing a glucose curve @ home gives more accurate results as Sabrina won't get stressed out. I will also be starting a journal & chart her progress....Thank You everyone for knowledge & support............Cindy & Sabrina :RAHCAT

Humulin N is NOT a good insulin for cats. Cats' metabolisms are twice as fast as people, so they need a long acting insulin like Lantus or Levemir in order for the insulin to work for a full 12 hours for each shot. Humulin N only works for 4-6 hours in cats. That means for half the day your cat is not going to have any insulin working on lowering her blood sugar. This makes the insulin ineffective, which usually leads to chronic overdosing in cats, and ultimately dangerous hypoglycemic incidents. Sure the insulin costs a lot less than Lantus, but when you consider you're paying less money for your cat to get progressively worse on an ineffective insulin, it's not cost effective at all. There are lots of ways to cut costs with feline diabetes (12-13 oz cans of food, cheaper test strips online, etc.), but insulin is NOT the place you want to do it.

There are a few ways to save money with Lantus. If you get a prescription for the solostar pens, it's a larger cost up front, but they are more economical over time. I'm not sure if insulin prices have gone up at all this year, but last time I bought insulin (Nov. 2011) it was $245 for a pack of 5 solostar pens at Walmart (and here's a coupon for $25 off, to bring it down to $219: https://mprsetrial.mckesson.com/lantus5670/appSecLantus5670CouponReq.jsp). Each 3 ml pen in the pack (if handled properly) should last you 2-3 months, so one pack of pens is going to last you a year or more. That's only about $16-$20 a month for insulin.

But the real value in Lantus is that it has an 86% remission rate in newly diagnosed cats. That means that if you have your cat on the right food (low carb canned only), and dose it according to the recommended dosing guidelines via daily home testing, your cat will most likely no longer need insulin before you get through that box of pens. And trust me (I speak from personal experience), having a cat in remission is FAR cheaper than having a cat on insulin. You only have to test once every couple weeks or so as opposed to 3-6 times a day. And you won't have crazy high vet bills from diabetes-related conditions, because a diet-controlled cat is just as healthy as a cat without diabetes. Compare that to the remission rate of Humulin N, which is less than 25%.

I've personally dealt with the differences between the two insulins. When Bandit was diagnosed, my vet told me Lantus was the best insulin for him, and the cheaper insulins didn't work well in cats, so we went with Lantus. He did great on it and went into remission a few years ago, without ever developing any diabetic related complications like diabetic ketoacidosis or neuropathy. My friend's cat, Sydney, was diagnosed in April of 2011, and her vet put him on Humulin N. She contacted me in November 2011 because she had heard that Bandit was doing great and was off insulin, and Sydney had gotten progressively worse--to the point were he couldn't walk or use his litter box (he peed on a puppy pad in the middle of her floor). I had her change the food and the insulin to Lantus, and he went into remission this summer. :-D His neuropathy has nearly completely reversed and he runs around her house like a crazy cat.

Here's the link to how to set up a spreadsheet to journal and chart Sabrina's progess--this is a great tool that you can use with your vet, and to also get dosing advice from the experienced Lantus users here: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18207. Very few vets dose Lantus properly, so it's important that you're double checking the recommendations. My vet was fantastic with her recommendations for Bandit (Lantus, low carb canned food, home testing), but she struck out big time with her dosing advice.
 
Hi Cindy - welcome to FDMB!

Where are you located? (city/state is adequate) I ask because I live in Michigan a bit east of Milford, MI.

phoebe in Walled Lake
 
Evening! I am in Milford, Pa. the northeastern corner where pa, ny, & nj come together....have friends out in monroe lk, mi...beautiful state :smile: My vet gave me a script for lantus(glargine) & I'm trying to find the most reasonable cost......on hard times because of enconomy & fixed income @ this point. Any suggestions?
 
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