My Savannah Cat WON'T EAT

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skinny dude

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I am new to this forum. My 12 year old Savannah cat just got diagnosed 2 weeks ago and is on 2 units of ProZinc twice a day. He used to weigh 24 pounds and is now down to 18 pounds. My vet recommended Purina DM wet food and Young Again dry food, and if desperate - canned salmon. My cat has always been a picky eater and is now even worse. I have tried warming the food up, hand feeding, he will take a few bites and walk away. I want to increase and stabilize his food intake before I try home blood testing. I am going to get some of the recommended Fancy Feast varieties listed on the board today. Can someone help me with other wet food recommendations? I also read that boiled chicken stored in the freezer is a good choice for snacks. Is this what I would give him while I am testing his blood? Any help would be appreciated.
 
Most cats won`t eat the Purina DM. I don`t know anything about the Young Again food. I would go ahead and get some Fancy Feast pate style foods, also you can feed him the Friskies pate style foods as well. At this point if he won`t eat I would try to feed him anything he wants just to get him to eat.
What did he eat before? He must eat or else other problems can occur.

Terri
 
Thanks for your quick response. He was eating Wellness wet for years, but would sporadically stop eating it. I tried Natural Balance wet and same thing. About 6 months ago all his hair started falling out in clumps so I tried many kinds and he seemed to like "Wellness Dry Complete Health Salmon,etc. " Looking back, I think he was just so hungry from the diabetes that he would eat anything. Even now I have offered that same Wellness dry to him and he takes a bite and walks away. I will try those brands you suggested and get back to you.
Since he is so skinny, can I give him some boiled chicken to get him through the day, or will this cause more problems since meal based eating is the best thing for a diabetic cat?
And, have you heard of my type of insulin? do you have other types that would be better for him or do I wait until I get the blood glucose testing under way?
 
I am not familiar with the PZI insulin, there are others here that use it that could offer more help with it. If you need help with it start another topic saying (Need help with PZI). I do know from what I read here it is a very good insulin. My cat was on Lantus which a little different.
Most people here on the board do not feed their cats any dry cat food, it is not good for the diabetic cat.
At this point if he is not eating though, I would feed him what ever you can get him to eat, be that boiled chicken or what ever. He must eat. Yes, I would go ahead and start testing his blood glucose levels, that may give you some clue as to whats going on with him, he may be high.
I can get you help with the PZI if needed, but go ahead and test him and try to get him to eat.

Terri
 
I have asked Sue to look in on your post as she is the one that usually helps people with the PZI insulin. She will be posting under Sue and Oliver.
She can help you with dosing or what questions you may have about the insulin.

Terri
 
Yes, she needs to eat as Terri said. There are things you can try

Warming it up so it stinks
Put tuna juice or parmesan cheese on top
Sprinkle on crushed up treats she really likes
Hand feed her with your fingers for a while or smear some on her face or feet (sometimes they sort of forget that they are supposed to be eating)
Offer some beef baby food (without spices or flavorings - Beechnut is good)

It may also be that she has pancreatitis or some other complication that means she doesn't have an appetite. Here is a thread on pancreatitis. Do any of the symptoms sound familar?
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=83108

If she has pancreatitis, she needs a visit to the vet. That would be a good idea regardless to have things checked out.

Also please check for ketones.

After the food situation is resolved, I would definitely start testing at home. ProZinc is a good insulin but 2 units is a higher starting dose than we advise, so it is possible that she drops low midcycle and that makes her feel bad. We can teach you how to do it and give you a shopping list. Staying on top of her numbers daily will allow you to best use the insulin.
 
Thank you everyone for your help. He actually ate a can of the Friskies wet and 1/2 boiled chicken breast tonight for dinner! Although, this has happened in the past, he eats alot of new food the first time, then won't eat it again. I will try some of your suggestions to make it more enticing for his breakfast.
I am breathing a sigh of relief that you have all been so supportive! Thank you all so much!
Here are some more questions that have been keeping me up at night:
1.When the vet diagnosed him 2 weeks ago, his BG was 461, so she thought 2 units of PZI twice a day would be a low starting dosage. What do you guys think about this? Is there a different type of Insulin that he should be on?
2. I am thinking I need to get him on a regular feeding schedule before I start testing his blood and changing his PZ dosage. Any thoughts?
3. Once I do start testing I know I need to do a curve. I read somewhere on this message board that I could do the test over a longer period of time. For example, right before feeding one day. The next day, 2 hours after feeding, etc. Is this an OK way to do it? Also, how many times and what time period do I test over?
4. I am dreading getting the blood from him. He is not going to let me do it, I am going to have to wrap him up in towels and restrain him, he also does not tolerate other people near him. I am worried that trying to get blood from him 6 times in one day to do a curve is going to stress him out so much it will throw off my results. The vets have to sedate him to get near him, so I try to avoid vet visits (the sedation) as much as possible.
 
1.When the vet diagnosed him 2 weeks ago, his BG was 461, so she thought 2 units of PZI twice a day would be a low starting dosage. What do you guys think about this? Is there a different type of Insulin that he should be on?
PZI and Prozinc are good insulins for a cat. Starting dose is at least partially based on your cats weight.

How much does your cat weigh?

2. I am thinking I need to get him on a regular feeding schedule before I start testing his blood and changing his PZ dosage. Any thoughts?
Some cats do well on free feeding. Some do well on meal feeding. We always like to suggest that you spread the meals out into mini-meals, at least 4 a day. That is so that all that food at one time does not put too much of a load on the pancreas and the insulin available. It's more up to you and your cat's eating style. ECID Every Cat is Different. The only reason I meal feed, is my 2 civies (non-diabetic cats), are food hogs and would gobble up food in minutes. You work with what goes on in your home and what would work with your life responsibilities and schedule.

3. Once I do start testing I know I need to do a curve. I read somewhere on this message board that I could do the test over a longer period of time. For example, right before feeding one day. The next day, 2 hours after feeding, etc. Is this an OK way to do it? Also, how many times and what time period do I test over?
A full curve is testing every 2 hours, from the pre-shot test until the next pre-shot test, over a 1 hour cycle. It only gives you a snapshot for that day. That is why, some random testing on different days can be helpful, to fill in the blanks on the spreadsheet and tell us how your cat is reacting to the insulin.

The first test, the pre-shot test, should be done without any food for 2 hours before. That way, you know the pre-shot test is a more accurate, non-food influenced number and giving you a truer picture of what is going on.

4. I am dreading getting the blood from him. He is not going to let me do it, I am going to have to wrap him up in towels and restrain him, he also does not tolerate other people near him. I am worried that trying to get blood from him 6 times in one day to do a curve is going to stress him out so much it will throw off my results. The vets have to sedate him to get near him, so I try to avoid vet visits (the sedation) as much as possible.
Start slow. Take this one step at a time. Start by touching his ears, many times a day so he gets used to that. Give him a treat like freeze dried chicken or a tiny piece of cooked chicken. Those treats (or bribes) can get cats to accept the testing process better.

Next, add in a pretend poke with a lancet. Touch the rim of the ear quickly, with like the tip of a pencil. Give a treat.
Some people talk to their cat during this testing process, walking through all the steps and explaining what they are doing.

Be sure that you are calm, cool and collected. This may take an Oscar winning performance on your part, but eventually you will be calmer when poking. Deep breathing exercises will help you to destress. If you are calm, kitty will be calmer.

Is he ok with getting his paws touched? You may want to consider paw testing if he hates his ears being touched.

Reading this on ear testing psychology may help you to get your cat to accept the testing process.

Three tries at getting blood, and stop to give a treat. Yes, some cats may need to be burrito wrapped at first. But try some of the other ideas in this document and work on the steps even before you get the testing supplies.
 
Good luck, hope the diet change works! Just don't give insulin if the cat isn't eating, it doesn't do them any favors in that case!
 
Hello,
I hope your kitty is eating more. I agree with the above tip on crumbling a treat over the food. I use the pure protein chicken breast treats. My Oreo is on caninsulin and I need to have him eat before the injection. I have two cats and if I put the bowls down together I think it creates a little competition between them to eat the food. I do take a spoon and pile the food back to the middle of the dish since it wedges up against the sides and this helps him start eating again. I also take a paper towel folded in half and stick his bowl on it and put it in front of him wherever he wanders. I tell him how good he is.
My Oreo dropped weight rapidly as well and the vet sold me the royal canin wet and dry. I stopped the dry after reading the forum comments. I had to mush the wet with a fork because he would only eat the gravy and then stop. I bought the fancy feast pate and now I do a combo.
We have a scale by withings that I bought on line that transmits your weight to the internet. Oreo began sitting on it in the morning before he was diabetic so I tagged his readings under his name. Now I can watch his weight really easily and unfortunately mine as well. :)
With the curve I received tons of support on this site and my first time I was stressed out. The next time I was a pro. What helped me was having a decent light to see his ear better. I used a desk lamp with an extension cord at first and even held a mini flashlight in my teeth while lancing his ear. The other day I needed my car boosted and the auto guy had a flashlight thing on his hat. I am going to look for one because that would be perfect. The other tip was that I used the lancing device that came with the meter at first, but just lancing with the lancet itself was easier. Just be confident, fast and going at a bit of an angle helped. My cat squirms sometimes. Just make up your mind you are going to hold that ear!
Hope this helps you and your kitty!
 
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