Miss Scarlette

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Laurie D.

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Hello! First and foremost, I want to thank those who responded to my post the other day. You do not know how much you have helped me. Miss Scarlette has been with me for 13 years now. I am an RN and was working at a hospital in Dallas, Texas when I ran across her and her four sibs. I had homes for all of them, including the mother, until I caught them. Then, everyone backed out. I take that back. I did have a home for Miss Scarlette; however, the person who took her called me in one week and asked for help. I went over and saw she was keeping her shut up, alone, in the bathroom. She was a very feral cat. So much so I called her my spitfire. I brought her home immediately and reunited her with her sibs. Someone else took Mom, and I fear that did not go well. Either way, Miss Scarlette is now my pride and joy. She is my cuddle bunny, even after drawing blood several times when a baby. I had to use oven mits when I got around her. She was diagnosed with diabetes over a year ago. I knew the signs as I am a nurse, and I had a cat with diabetes before who responded well to Prozinc. He ended up having to be put down because of cancer.

Miss Scarlette was started in Lantus 2 units twice daily. I did the right thing this time and put her on what I thought was the best food, Purina DM. Vincent responded well to the insulin even on what I call a regular diet. He might have been able to do without insulin if I had put him on the correct diet. Either way, he lived a long and happy life.

Miss Scarlette responded at first, then I decided I could not afford the Purina DM and went back to regular food. That was a disaster. Anyone who has a cat with an endocrine problem knows it can result in vomiting and diarrhea. That happened. Before I switched, she would go from 675 down to the high 200s, and I was ecstatic. But, I was not keeping food down all day long. Her sisters are still with me. She was allowed to eat for a couple of hours, then I worked 12 hour shifts with not much food down. The vet said do not do that, she must have food at all times. I agreed. That was stupid on my part, but it kept her sugar down. Now, with the food down all day she remains in the high 400s to low 500s. Either way, I know the insulin really does work, but now I know it won't stay down due to the incorrect food.

Even though she eats me out of house and home, she has lost weight. Her coat is dull and flaky. Part of the endocrine problem. I was about to take her in Saturday and possibly do the unthinkable, when I came upon this site. I just trusted this vet who said this was the best food, and there was nothing more I could do. Keep doing what you are doing, he said. We did try Prozinc which just did not work for her. I called the vet today to reschedule her appointment for a week from tomorrow. I want to give the Fancy Feat a week and see what happens. I know she is severely dehydrated. Maybe I should take her in anyway. I just cannot wait to get off and hit the store!

I did ask the vet today, even though they had not seen her before, what food they suggested. And, guess what? Not that I didn't trust you. I just wanted to see what they said about the Purina DM. They get their patients on Fancy Feast high protein, low carb OR Iams kitten food. I am so mad at her previous pet. And, he is also a preacher! He should have known her problem was the darn food! And, I just trusted him.

I just hope it isn't too late and the organ damage has been done. I will start her on the new food tonight, and I have a glucometer and I check her blood sugars. Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.
 
Yes, I called a new vet as I refuse to take her back to the other. Sorry for all the typos above. My computer at work can be hideously slow.
 
Also, I thought next week I would go ahead and get some labs on her, to make sure her kidneys and liver are okay. She might be much better after a week on the appropriate food!
 
Laurie, welcome. Monitor often while changing the food. It can impact the BS very quickly. Most vets are not up to date or experienced enough with FD.

There is a lot of helpful info here. Please read through and ask any questions.
 
That table is awesome. I am going to start something like that, even though I have her readings on the glucometer. They may not be stored forever. Thank you!
 
Hi Laurie,

Thank you for sharing the story of Miss Scarlette and her siblings. I'm really glad that you've found FDMB: we'll do all we can to help you both. :)

Here's a link to the instructions for setting up an FDMB spreadsheet for Miss Scarlette:

FDMB Spreadsheet Instructions

AMPS and PMPS are where you put morning and evening preshot test results. Dose is self-explanatory. The other columns with the + notations are where you fill in the results of the tests you take between doses. For example, if you do a blood test 3 hours after the morning dose you'd put the result in the AM +3 column. It can be very helpful to record info about food and any other useful details (e.g. medications given that day) in the Remarks column. If you get stuck with the setup, just holler. We have members who can help you get the spreadsheet up and running. When you do start filling in data it would be really helpful if you could include the BG data you have stored in your glucometer.

As Woodsywife advises above, be sure to transition the food gradually to both reduce chances of GI upset and, more importantly, to allow you to monitor Miss Scarlette's blood glucose levels and adjust the dose as necessary.

The difference that good regulation makes can be truly amazing. Saoirse was in a similar state to Miss Scarlette at diagnosis - coat in tatters, losing weight, etc. She was put on Hill's w/d dry kitty cornflakes and Caninsulin by the vet she was registered with at time of Dx. The regimen kept her alive but she was absolutely miserable on it (spent most of the day hiding in a lethargic funk). Shortly after Dx we moved to a different, and thankfully more diabetes-aware, practice. I was able to gather the evidence necessary to allow the new vet to issue a Lantus Rx for her. Within weeks on better food and better insulin Saoirse was transformed back into a very healthy-looking cat: our vet could not get over the difference in her. It was wonderful to see her happy and playing again. Sending all good wishes for Miss Scarlette's regulation to improve and for her to once again be a well and happy kitty.


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Welcome Laurie!! Happy to see you figured out how to post and now we can really start to help you!!

I saw on another comment of yours that your strips are costing you $70 for 100....what type of meter are you using? The vast majority of us here use human meters (and our protocols are written for human meters)

The most popular meters around here are the Relion Confirm or Micro (available at WalMart for about $15)...and it takes the tiniest sample size too! Strips are only $35.88 for 100 too!

We're big advocates for home testing here, so having cheaper, readily available strips is a plus! Last thing you want is to have Miss Scarlette drop too low at 2am on a Sunday and be running low on strips and not be able to get more!

Look forward to helping you get Miss Scarlette as healthy as possible....and if you want to see how far back these kitties can come with the right treatment, please take a look at China's Profile (In my signature below)...Pictures are worth 1000 words!
 
Hello and welcome. Do you know how to do subq at home?You can get them from the vet and do at home That will help with dehydration.
 
Welcome Laurie!! Happy to see you figured out how to post and now we can really start to help you!!

I saw on another comment of yours that your strips are costing you $70 for 100....what type of meter are you using? The vast majority of us here use human meters (and our protocols are written for human meters)

The most popular meters around here are the Relion Confirm or Micro (available at WalMart for about $15)...and it takes the tiniest sample size too! Strips are only $35.88 for 100 too!

We're big advocates for home testing here, so having cheaper, readily available strips is a plus! Last thing you want is to have Miss Scarlette drop too low at 2am on a Sunday and be running low on strips and not be able to get more!

Look forward to helping you get Miss Scarlette as healthy as possible....and if you want to see how far back these kitties can come with the right treatment, please take a look at China's Profile (In my signature below)...Pictures are worth 1000 words!
I will have to check. I had the previous purchase one calibrated specifically for cats. She was excited with the food tonight. I checked her a couple of hours after her dose and she was 476. That is better because at that time after the dry, she would be in the 500s.
 
Laurie, welcome. Monitor often while changing the food. It can impact the BS very quickly. Most vets are not up to date or experienced enough with FD.

There is a lot of helpful info here. Please read through and ask any questions.
Thus far, down around 50. She was still in 400s this morning. I knew she would be last night because she had the bad stuff all day.
 
476 this morning. Checked three hours later and down to 452. I do think this food will definitely help but it is going to be hard. She will not be one to plummet downward, apparently. That is a good thing, according to my last cat's vet. It is not good to go down that rapidly. With the other food, she would begin by going up first, then only go down to where she was before the food. It may not seem like much but I am optimistic. Plus she is on Lantus which is long-acting. I put two cans down for to see how long it would last between her and her sisters. There is food left. When I go back to work Monday will probably put down another can or two.
 
Hi Laurie,

It would help if you could get some tests in between +3 hours after and +7 hours after the injection - it's a good target range to try to establish where Miss Scarlette may be reaching nadir (lowest) BG on Lantus.


Mogs
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When I check frequently, I start before, at four hours, then every two hours until next dose. Not every day, of course.

But it's important for you to test every day, every cycle(if you can)....these sugarcats can really change things quickly on us, and the only way to know what's going on inside their bodies is to test

We have seen over and over where once someone starts testing regularly that we find their cat going from 400 before the shot to 40....and back up to 400 by the next shot....without getting those tests in, they'd never know that they actually needed to reduce the dose
 
Do you need some help with our spreadsheet? It REALLY is one of our most valuable tools and people who've been doing this dance for a long time can see things in the spreadsheet that you might not be able to see until you learn more about how cats do the sugardance
 
It would also really help if you'd go ahead and fill in some information in your signature box

If you click on your user name (top right) there's a drop down menu that comes up. Choose "Signature" and then a new box will pop up. In that box put stuff like your name/cats name, age, sex, date of diagnosis, type of insulin, type of meter, type of food and any other known or past health problems....some of us also add a general location where we live too

Then when you have your spreadsheet set up, the link to it goes in your signature too so that when you post, everyone can see how she's been doing

If you look directly below my comments, you'll see the information in our signature....that way people don't have to keep asking the same questions over and over again
 
Signature done.

Great job!!

Tomorrow, I suggest you start posting in the Lantus Forum. You'll be asked to get your spreadsheet going, but this forum here is only for "introductions" and the Lantus forum is where all of us that use it would be watching out for you and Miss Scarlette

Each day we start a new post. The subject line is formatted like this: Date, Cats name, AMPS ###.....and as the day goes on, you go back and "edit" that subject line to add any new test results.

In the body of the post, first put the link to any prior post (like this one) so people can quickly go back and see what's been going on. Then just let us know how she's doing, as well as asking any questions you may have.

If you have some time, it really helps to read other people's posts too. You may run across a question someone else asks that you didn't know you needed to know, as well as start to learn more about how to treat Miss Scarlette

Hope to see you there!!! There's really years and years of real life experience to share with you between the members of this group and the people here are very generous with their time and advice!!
 
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