low protein and low carb diet??

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Meow Mi's number was well under control with chicken breast diet for last 3 years. However, after his last blood check, the Vet asked me to lower the protein in his diet so prescribed Royal Caniin Renal LP Modified. Meow Mi eats Royal Canin Renal LP during the day when we are at work, and eats chicken breast after we go home. I just checked his # and it went up to 212 three hours after eating the canned food (Royal Canin), His # is between 90 to 110 at night time when he only eats chicken.. Do anyone know any other low protein and low carb diet that I can provide for Meow Mi??
 
Hi there, Welcome

When you say chicken breast diet, are you making a homemade diet? raw?

I assume your cat is diabetic.. is your vet suggesting low protein due to kidney issues? If so, depending on Meow Mi's blood test results, you may not need low protein diet yet. Newer thinking is that cats with kidney issues do not need low protein diets until end stage. Because cats are obligate carnivores, they need moderate protein to keep from catabolizing their muscle mass.

Phosphorus content is more important to watch. Also many of the RX foods have lower quality ingredients. My Merlyn ate canned Wellness thru his kidney and heart issues (after he was off insulin)
http://www.catinfo.org/#Kidney_Failure
 
Here's the story, in the beginning of July, Meow Mi started hiding from me, ate very little, very little movement and no longer jump to the sink. I knew something was wrong so I took him to the Vet. The Vet took the x-ray and his blood, the reason he didn't move much because his left rear leg was weak and he was in pain. The Vet couldn't tell me what was the problem but from the x-ray, she believes that Meow Mi has heart problem (born with it) so the blood circulation is not good. She prescribed gabapentin 100 mg for him, so yes, Meow Mi is no longer in pain and pretty much back to a happy kitty (jumping around, eating a lot, play with me all the time). However, from the blood work, the number for microalbuminuria is 2.7 (Vet said that it's a bit high, should be below 2.5). She said that Meow Mi has slight renal disease.

This is why the vet asked to change the diet for Meow Mi. Maybe I should bring Meow Mi back for another blood work to see if the number for MA is down.
 
Yes, Meow Mi is diabetic. I was in this board 3 years ago when I found out his condition and I followed the low carb diet (chicken breast only) and he was doing good.
no, meow mi has cooked chicken breast which was cooked in the water.
 
Only cooked chicken breast with no supplementation is not a complete diet for a cat. They have to have supplementation. Meat alone should only be like 20 percent of a cats diet at most.
The link I gave you above to Dr. Lisa Piersons site has a raw recipe you can use if you are interested in making a complete, balanced homemade diet. I am not sure how cooking the chicken in Dr. Lisas recipe changes the nutrition.
 
Hi there,

This is Dr Lisas diet, http://www.catinfo.org/?link=makingcatfood
she also mentions some commercially prepared raw diets that she likes
http://www.catinfo.org/#Home-Prepared_Diets

She also does consultations by phone (for a fee) on tailoring a diet for your cat..so if theres beginning kidney issues she can talk with you about that.

It is daunting to make the food, so it might be easier to go with one of the prepared foods like Natures Variety.

As mentioned, this is for raw diets. Cooking does remove some of the nutrients so I am not sure how that would change the nutritional value of Dr. Lisas diet.
 
Great info. I think I am going to get Nature's Variety raw for Meow Mi tomorrow, and has him on this diet for a month and then take him to the vet for another blood check.
Need to find out the best diet for his blood sugar and the kidney problem. Although the Vet said it's not something that I need to worry too much because MA # is just slightly higher than normal.
 
As already said, plain cooked chicken alone is not a complete diet because it lacks all the important vitamins and minerals a cat needs.

Here is a recipie for using cooked meat with a pre-mix (powdered mix that contains all the vitamins and minerals a cat needs): http://tcfeline.com/2010/08/16/can-i-feed-my-cat-cooked-meat/ The recipie uses the TC Feline pre-mix and there is info about that product elsewhere on the site and how to buy it online (not sold in any store). The recipie is only intended to be used as a transitional diet to switch a cat over to raw food. I have no idea how long-term feeding of this recipie will affect a cat, if at all.

Nature's Variety raw is good :smile: I use the frozen raw. The freeze dried ones are intended more as a supplement/treat/eay to carry meal while travelling.
 
A home-made diet (with the correct supplements!) is the best diet for your cat, but if you need a canned food that is high quality, low in carbs and low in phosphorus, I have a few. My Gabby had early stage renal disease, and I fed high protein, low phosphorus foods with high quality ingredients to her for two years from when she was diagnosed (before she passed away from an unrelated illness), and her kidney values didn't change at all in that time.

EVO 95% Venison
EVO 95% Beef
Wellness Turkey
Merrick Cowboy Cookout
 
Could you please remove the 911 from your original post? It is meant for life threatening type situations, which, thankfully, yours isn't :)

Jen
 
Years ago when packed cat food first was introduce they found many cats developing heart disease. It was found that taurine, necessary for heart health was a needed additive for cats , who do not produce it themselves. It comes from eating their prey. This is why we now have "balanced diets." There are other nutrients needed that are not contained in plain meat as well (note the recent recall of Wellness because of Thiamine deficiency).

I use the TCFeline mix to make raw food for Tess. She loves it. If you feed raw it should not be pre-ground because of the chance of contamination. I don't grind at all. I buy boneless/skinless breasts and thighs and just cut into chunks. (Chunked meat is great for their teeth.) I blanch it to kill any surface bacteria, lightly freeze it to make it easier to cut, chunk it and add liver, portion into freezerbags and freeze. I add the mix after I thaw the meat and am ready to feed it.

There are a lot of other prepackage mixes out there. I'm sure there are others as well:

Many feel that meat ground w/ bone is much better, but the mixes are a good way to start. You've been given Dr. Lisa's web site. This is another good one http://feline-nutrition.org/index.php

BTW raw chicken hearts ar another great source of taurine and a great snack.
 
Julia & Bandit said:
A home-made diet (with the correct supplements!) is the best diet for your cat, but if you need a canned food that is high quality, low in carbs and low in phosphorus, I have a few. My Gabby had early stage renal disease, and I fed high protein, low phosphorus foods with high quality ingredients to her for two years from when she was diagnosed (before she passed away from an unrelated illness), and her kidney values didn't change at all in that time.

EVO 95% Venison
EVO 95% Beef
Wellness Turkey
Merrick Cowboy Cookout
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Evo canned chicken was part of Meow Mi's diet. I removed it only because the Vet told me to lower down the protein. Great to know it is ok to feed him Evo. !!
 
squeem3 said:
As already said, plain cooked chicken alone is not a complete diet because it lacks all the important vitamins and minerals a cat needs.

Here is a recipie for using cooked meat with a pre-mix (powdered mix that contains all the vitamins and minerals a cat needs): http://tcfeline.com/2010/08/16/can-i-feed-my-cat-cooked-meat/ The recipie uses the TC Feline pre-mix and there is info about that product elsewhere on the site and how to buy it online (not sold in any store). The recipie is only intended to be used as a transitional diet to switch a cat over to raw food. I have no idea how long-term feeding of this recipie will affect a cat, if at all.

Nature's Variety raw is good :smile: I use the frozen raw. The freeze dried ones are intended more as a supplement/treat/eay to carry meal while travelling.
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plain cooked chicken diet could be the reason why Meow Mi went from 15 lbs to 12 lbs. Thank you for the great information, it really helps!
 
Hi,
I know this is not what your question is about, but I wanted to point out that that 100mg is a high dose of gabapentin, which is cautioned for kitties with renal insufficiency. I know this because my cat has been given it, he weighs 14 pounds, is renal insufficient (Creatinine value just above normal) and he is to get .25mg gabapentin for arthritis pain which is considered a low dose. The vet went over it throughly with me, showing me the dose recommendations in the literature.

And I'm not sure what form of gabapentin you received because 100mg tablets are no longer being made. If it is liquid, please check if it has Xylitol in it. That is poisonous to dogs especially and not good for cats either.

This may be a mute point if you are no longer giving the gabapentin. But please consider these issues if you are.
 
xoxomeowmixoxo said:
Evo canned chicken was part of Meow Mi's diet. I removed it only because the Vet told me to lower down the protein. Great to know it is ok to feed him Evo. !!
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Only the Venison or Beef Flavors of EVO 95% are low in phosphorus--the others are ok for a diabetic cat, but not for a diabetic/kidney disease cat.
 
Julia & Bandit said:
Only the Venison or Beef Flavors of EVO 95% are low in phosphorus--the others are ok for a diabetic cat, but not for a diabetic/kidney disease cat.
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I see. I will get rid of the chicken and get beef for Meow Mi....Thank you!!!!
 
Vicky & Gandalf said:
Hi,
I know this is not what your question is about, but I wanted to point out that that 100mg is a high dose of gabapentin, which is cautioned for kitties with renal insufficiency. I know this because my cat has been given it, he weighs 14 pounds, is renal insufficient (Creatinine value just above normal) and he is to get .25mg gabapentin for arthritis pain which is considered a low dose. The vet went over it throughly with me, showing me the dose recommendations in the literature.

And I'm not sure what form of gabapentin you received because 100mg tablets are no longer being made. If it is liquid, please check if it has Xylitol in it. That is poisonous to dogs especially and not good for cats either.

This may be a mute point if you are no longer giving the gabapentin. But please consider these issues if you are.
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Sorry my mistake, it is 10 mg. gosh... I have been really stupid lately.....
 
I took Meow Mi in for cat acne yesterday and asked the Vet to take another blood test. The result came back and his kidney is doing GREAT!!! However, the blood report shows that Meow Mi has liver problem now. :shock:
Will know more about his liver after the ultra sound, the vet said that it could be his heart condition so the liver is not getting enough blood, or it could be hernia, or it could be an infection. :sad:

But thank you all for the information, his kidney is doing good, blood sugar level is back to 80 - 100... !
 
IBD and Diabetes

it has been awhile since my last post about my boy Meow Mi. after my last post, we went to internal medicine and found out that he has IBD. It was a emotional rollercoaster for me ever since. because of the steroids, his vet and I are very careful with his diabetic history. blood sugar has been normal until now. Although he only eats EVO beef and venison, his blood sugar has been high since December 2012. The vet lower the dosage of the steroids hoping it will lower the blood sugar but when we went back for check up. the number is even higher than last time. His vet suggests to put him on Hill MD, I express my concern about it because he has both IBD and diabetes. However, the vet thinks it's the best to switch because EVO beef and venison aren't helping. I don't know if anyone can give me suggestion of diet for kitty with both IBD and diabetes.
it's time to check his blood sugar level everyday.... :cry:
 
The IBD may be in response to one of the foods - some cats don't do well with beef due to allergy.

Have you been to Tanya's CRF site? It discusses renal disease. You are trying to keep the phosphorus intake down so check the food list there and at Cat Info for nutrition info and go for food both low carb and low phosphorus (not low protein).

It is possible that some of the issues are due to feeding an incomplete diet of just meat. How long were you doing that?
 
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