Kittys Spreadsheet Data. Need Help & Advice Please

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Sev

Sev

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Thanks to the kind efforts of forum members I now have a spread sheet set with data.
I recently went up from 1 unit of Prozinc to 1.5.
He was on 1 unit for 2 weeks. I switched to 1.5 a couple of days ago.

Please see the spreadsheet and advise. This evenings PMPS test put him just below 600. He appears to be going progressively up in both the AM & PMPS.

I believe I published everything correctly and it should be sharing correctly. Please let me know if the link does not work.

Thank you.
 
Sev,
Yes, it is working now, thanks for fixing it up. Lots easier to evaluate all on one neat sheet of "paper"!
I am going to look back on all the numbers you've posted since you came on the board. For now, it's only been 3 cycles on the 1.5, so I would advise sticking with it for tonight's cycle. Two days isn't long enough for the change in dose to settle in, so I don't think it is time to increase yet. It might be that an increase is the wrong way to go, but I'll be able to tell better after looking at a week or more of history.
And thank you for starting a new thread. Once they get to be 50+ posts long, they are too hard to keep up with, and anyone trying to help gets swamped with too much to catch up on. Usually, one thread per day works best, if for no other reason than "that's what we are used to". ;-)
Carl
 
carlinsc said:
Sev,
Yes, it is working now, thanks for fixing it up. Lots easier to evaluate all on one neat sheet of "paper"!
I am going to look back on all the numbers you've posted since you came on the board. For now, it's only been 3 cycles on the 1.5, so I would advise sticking with it for tonight's cycle. Two days isn't long enough for the change in dose to settle in, so I don't think it is time to increase yet. It might be that an increase is the wrong way to go, but I'll be able to tell better after looking at a week or more of history.
And thank you for starting a new thread. Once they get to be 50+ posts long, they are too hard to keep up with, and anyone trying to help gets swamped with too much to catch up on. Usually, one thread per day works best, if for no other reason than "that's what we are used to". ;-)
Carl
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No problem. I didnt want to flood the site with new threads on the same topic. Some sites view that unkindly.
 
Couple housekeeping questions. Feeding wet lo carb, right? Insulin has been refrigerated, has no floaters? Definitely no fur shots - insulin clearly goes in each time?

And ketones. With these high numbers, you need to regularly test for ketones.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
Couple housekeeping questions. Feeding wet lo carb, right? Insulin has been refrigerated, has no floaters? Definitely no fur shots - insulin clearly goes in each time?

And ketones. With these high numbers, you need to regularly test for ketones.
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Wet feeding. Carbs ranging from 1-7
Refrigerated.
No floaters that I can see.
No fur shots. I am stabbing pretty good.

Have not done Keytones yet.
 
Just throwing this out for commentary-what prompted the dose increase? If the numbers ar getting worse, could it be too much insulin, instead of too little?

There aren't many cycles if 1u on the ss, so it's hard to compare. What does everyone else think?
 
bookw0rm said:
Just throwing this out for commentary-what prompted the dose increase? If the numbers ar getting worse, could it be too much insulin, instead of too little?

There aren't many cycles if 1u on the ss, so it's hard to compare. What does everyone else think?
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I did 2 weeks of 1 unit.
The vet wanted to up to 2 units. Advice from members was .5 unit increase.
 
Sev said:
carlinsc said:
Sev,
Yes, it is working now, thanks for fixing it up. Lots easier to evaluate all on one neat sheet of "paper"!
I am going to look back on all the numbers you've posted since you came on the board. For now, it's only been 3 cycles on the 1.5, so I would advise sticking with it for tonight's cycle. Two days isn't long enough for the change in dose to settle in, so I don't think it is time to increase yet. It might be that an increase is the wrong way to go, but I'll be able to tell better after looking at a week or more of history.
And thank you for starting a new thread. Once they get to be 50+ posts long, they are too hard to keep up with, and anyone trying to help gets swamped with too much to catch up on. Usually, one thread per day works best, if for no other reason than "that's what we are used to". ;-)
Carl
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No problem. I didnt want to flood the site with new threads on the same topic. Some sites view that unkindly.
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Sev,
the thinking here is that it isn't the "same topic". New day, new thread. Someone told me way back when that while you are doing this "sugardance", an entire lifetime can take place in each 12 hour segment. So, I've tried to keep that in mind and live life at the most one day at a time.
Carl
 
No problem.

By the way. I assume insulin is supposed to be whitish and not clear???
 
I think it is possible the dose is too high, Lisa. Or too low....

Sev, the problem is there just aren't enough numbers yet to figure it out. It could be too little insulin causing the high numbers. It could be too much causing rebound.

But while you collect data and the picture becomes clearer, you have to get a ketone test in daily or risk DKA. (I linked you info in your earlier post.)

If you can't catch Kitty peeing and get a sample, you can use aquarium gravel, shredded newspaper or even beans in the litter box. Anything that won't absorb the urine.
 
Sev,
This is Prozinc, and not PZI, right? I know PZI was not completely clear, but haven't ever seen what Prozinc looks like. Anyone else?

Sue is right. You did have him on 1u for 3 weeks or so? but weren't testing at that point. So we have 2 days of data at 1u, and two days of data at 1.5u, which isn't enough to make a conclusion from. It could be too high, or too low. I would hold that 1.5 dose for at least 2 more days before making any adjustment. Yesterday's AM cycle on that dose looked encouraging. Since then, I would say "inconclusive". Several more cycles might make things more obvious.

And ketone testing.... you have the strips, just haven't had the opportunity, right? The gravel thing has worked for some people. Another idea is to put saran wrap under the top layer of litter to catch it before it soaks in. You don't need a big sample, just enough to wet the strip. With high BG numbers, ketones can go from nothing to bad fairly quickly. Bob went from "just diabetes" to "DKA" within three days. He almost died, and he spent three days in emergency care...

Carl
 
carlinsc said:
Sev,
This is Prozinc, and not PZI, right? I know PZI was not completely clear, but haven't ever seen what Prozinc looks like. Anyone else?

Carl
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My Prozinc is slightly cloudy. It's whitish but you shouldn't see any large particles (floaters).
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
I think it is possible the dose is too high, Lisa. Or too low....

Sev, the problem is there just aren't enough numbers yet to figure it out. It could be too little insulin causing the high numbers. It could be too much causing rebound.

But while you collect data and the picture becomes clearer, you have to get a ketone test in daily or risk DKA. (I linked you info in your earlier post.)

If you can't catch Kitty peeing and get a sample, you can use aquarium gravel, shredded newspaper or even beans in the litter box. Anything that won't absorb the urine.
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I'll go back though and find it.

2 cats using the same litter box.
Oh boy.
 
...or telling the whole wide world that it has been soiled as soon as the deed is done. :lol:
Bob tells each and every time that the box "needs to be scooped now". of course, 2 or 3 times a day now is a lot less of hassle than the uncontrolled puddles he was creating 6 months ago....

Carl
 
As matter of fact I am putting a cat door in the bathroom which will lead into the garage. Where the litter box will be on a pedestal inside a large dog kennel.
Easy access to clean. No mess or smells in the house.
 
Looking good. If you can sure dose 12 hours apart, those preshot numbers may come down. With ProZinc, after 12 hours, the insulin is gone and he can start to rise rapidly.
 
He is still ranging high. But the numbers seem to bee dropping lower.
I really wish it would stop going into the 500's
 
Looks like a pattern is forming. Wish I could have gotten a full test range the past couple of days.
 
I don't like these numbers. Would you please start a new thread to get some dosing advice?

Unfortunately we are at that place where the dose could be too high (causing rebound)or too low. I would like to see what other people think. I think you need to move up or down but I am not sure which.

Hope to hear you got a negative ketone test today?
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
I don't like these numbers. Would you please start a new thread to get some dosing advice?

Unfortunately we are at that place where the dose could be too high (causing rebound)or too low. I would like to see what other people think. I think you need to move up or down but I am not sure which.

Hope to hear you got a negative ketone test today?
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Not yet. Have a house full of family still. Everybody goes home in the morning so I should be able to get something.
 
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