Kitty just diagnosed & I am frighten & need help

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mmaddox

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Wiz is a very small kitty (6 1/2 lbs), and 7 1/2 years old. She came from a shelter 3years ago and had a dreadful life lining in a cage in a basement while the cat breeder died od cancer. Since moving in with me, she has eaten only purina chicken & salmon shreds plus purina dry indoor food and wants nothing else. She was diagnosed last week with a sugar level of well over 400 and put on canned Purina DM and a diabetic "prescription" dry food as well. The vet indicated that I was to place all new as well as her usual foods before her and a few days later I was to take away the past diet of purina shreds & indoor dry leaving only this "prescribed" food before her.

The idea is to see if the blood sugar level would drop within normal range before we started insulin. But - she will eat just a wee bit of the diabetic food and now drinks much less water as well. An hour or so ago I gave her a good portion of her usual shreds knowing full well that this was not in her best interest. And yet, what am I to do? I simply cannot go to bed and leave her hungry.

She is my only friend. I am 75 and grief stricken. After reading much of this sites information, I am even more worried about her treatment. Should she be on insulin now? As I will give her injections as well as testing should I purchase the equipment now?

Obviously we need some hand-holding.

Thank you,
Maggie
 
Hi Maggie and Wiz

I am sorry that Wiz has got the diagnosis of diabetes but in coming here you have found the right place. The condition is most certainly treatable you like me you will soon learn the ropes. Now you don't just have Wiz as a friend you have hundreds of friends online and we will be there to support you and offer advice.

I am also a newbie and at only four weeks on from diagnosis feel as if I am beginning to get a handle on this. You will too. As a newbie I. Can only offer limited advice but will try my best.

First of where do you live? In the US?

Secondly I think your nits trinket is right a cat with uncontrolled diabetes needs to eat so withholding food is not a good idea. At the moment Wiz's blood glucose is high and she isn't getting enough energy. If she doesn't eat her body will begin to break down things like muscle and that isn't good. But don't worry there are plenty of non vet wet foods she can try and I am sure you can find one that works for her. Basically you need one that is low in carbohydrates.

Here is a great chart. You need to choose a food from that list that has lower than 8% of calories from carbohydrates. A lot of us members use Friskies
http://www.catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPublic9-22-12.pdf
I perps ally changed remi's food before I put him on insulin but was advised by the person that drew up that chart not to leave it for longer than a three days.

Secondly yes members advise to test blood glucose and ketones at home. You can check her ketones with urine test strips that you can buy from pharmacy's and I think places like Walmart. I literally follow remi to the littler box and stick it in the flow of his urine when he is going. Or if not dip it in the littler tray. If the tests positive for ketones (unless just a trace) this is a medical emergency and you wil need to get Wiz to the vets straight away.

Blood glucose is tested by getting blood from a cats ear. It seems like an impossibility at first but with some simple tricks it soon becomes routine. Again people tend to use human glucometers. I am not in the us and so don't want to suggest a brand. The little machines aren't expensive but the strips can be somewhat.

Please don't feel that you are alone. There are such great people here and they will help your little cat feel better.

Whilst waiting for more replies please look at the little stickies at the top of those forum. There are great tips about ear testing,etc.

Best wishes

Sarah
 
Hi Maggie and welcome to you and your sugar cat and best friend Wiz. You are in the right place. We have all been in your shoes and will do our best to help you help Wiz.

There are three main elements to managing diabetes. The first is feeding low carb wet food or raw food. The dry food is to be packaged up and given away and it is generally higher carb food than we want to feed. The dry food from the vet can be returned. Tell them Wiz won't eat it and get your money back. It is good that Wiz eats some wet food now. That should help the conversion to an all wet food diet. Sarah gave you a link to a document we use that lists most manufactured wet foods in North America. You want something that has is less than 10% carbs. The DM is OK but expensive. You can return it too if Wiz won't eat it. It's not the best quality ingredients. Foods commonly fed here are Friskies or Fancy Feast pates, or Wellness Grain Free. Some kitties have managed to have their pancreas heal with just a change to low carb wet. This is something you can try, but I wouldn't try it for more than a week or so.

The second element in managing diabetes is a good insulin. The long lasting insulins like Lantus (glargine), Levemir, or Prozinc/PZI are best for cats. Some kitties just need a little support with insulin to help heal their pancreas. Cats are unique in that they can go into remission from diabetes if given the right support and if you don't wait too long to start insulin.

And third, here we suggest testing kitties blood sugar at home. That is the best way to keep kitty safe if you are giving insuiln. Yes testing is hard for the first few days, but it does become easy for both of you. If you are in the US, many people buy the Relion Confirm or Micro from Walmart. They are good meters and have inexpensive test strips that only require a small drop of blood. Getting the meter and starting testing would be a good first step. Kitties can be much higher at the vet than at home. My diabetic cat once tested 150 points higher at the vet than the next day at home.
 
Welcome aboard. I know this is all new and very scarey for you but you have found the right place to be. Much experience and knowledge here. A lot of times the diabetes can be controlled with diet alone!! I hope that this will be the case for you. One thing that I recommend that will help a lot is to read the book "Sugar-babies" I downloaded it to my Kindle Fire for $6. That was the best $6 I ever spent. Not only will you learn much but you will have it forever and will be able to go back to it when needed. I've been treating my sugar baby for 3 years and I still refer to it again and again. Its really not as bad as it seems at first!!
Terriy & Chicken Little
 
(((Maggie))))
I'm so glad you found us. As you have read, your vet isn't steering you very well.
We can help you so much.

It can be rough transitioning to new foods but there are other salmon/chicken types that are better.

Click on this list..... print a copy or hand copy the flavors you think your baby will eat.
Shortcut list

The first number is the carb % and the number at the end is phosphorus which you don't need to worry about right now.
fancy feast even has a savory salmon feast pate which might help in the transition to a new brand.
 
Suddenly switching food tends not to go too weel for many cats. They refuse it, vomit it, have diarrhea, or a cobination of these.

Try switching more gradually, swapping out 20-25% of the food, one day at a time.

I'm feeding 14 in my home plus 3 in the condominium maintenance garage and I'm using Friskies pates as a reasonable compromise on cost and carb levels.

For dry food, although not recommended, you might check out Young Again 0 carb, or Epigen, both available on the internet.
 
Maggie - where do you live? We may have members close by who can help teach you in person.

There are three key factors to managing diabetes: food/nutrition, home testing and insulin

1) Feline Nutrition: Now, as far as diet - definitely dump the dry food (if you are feeding any) and if the vet recommends purchasing prescription food like DM just say "no thank you". ALL cats, and especially those with diabetes, do best on a species appropriate diet that is high in protein and low in carbs. Dry food DOES NOT fit that bill and DM food, even canned, just really isn't that great as far as quality. Most here on FDMB feed low carb/high protein canned, raw bought from a pet store or they make there own.

Here is a link to a site by a vet "Dr. Lisa DVM" ... who also posts on this board from time to time ... http://www.catinfo.org

If you look on the right side of her site, she has a food comparison chart to help you figure out what food you want to get based on the carb %.

You want to keep the carb % below 10% and around 7% is great. (Personally, I stay between 0-6% carbs.)

While on her site, you can read about in-depth info. on nutrition and how to make raw food, etc.

Here is another link that will give more information about food/nutrition

Nutrition/food info

The good thing with feeding your diabetic cat this way, is that it is ALSO good for any non-diabetic cat too. All your cats can safely eat the same food without worry and it may save you some costs and headaches of having to do separate feedings and keeping track of what they are eating.


2. Home testing: It is impossible to convey the value of testing your cat's BG (blood glucose) level at home. Some vets will "suggest" this, but most won't even mention it. They will send you home with insulin and an amount to shoot and maybe some instructions about hypoglycemia (blood sugar dropping to a dangerously low level).

Well, the thing is, human diabetics don't EVER give themselves insulin without checking there BG to make sure it is safe to do so, so why shouldn't it be the same for our kitties. Here on FDMB it is. You will notice that the vast majority of people here test their cat's BG at least 2x/day (before giving each shot to make sure the level is safe enough) and periodically at other times to see how the cat is responding to the current dose. We use a human glucometer, test strips and lancets - which are all very readily available and easy to use.

Our kitties get lots of love and treats for "putting up" with this and most of them actually come out to be tested on their own 'cause they want those treats . Here is a collection of great links that "Carolyn and Spot" pulled together about home testing. See what you think ... it truly is the best way to not only keep your cat safe but also really get a handle on this disease and help him to live a healthy life with FD (feline diabetes).

Home testing Links

3. Insulin: There are several types of insulin available. The top three we recommend are Lantus, Levimer or Prozinc all are great insulins. They are gentle insulin and given twice (BID) per day in 12 hour increments.

Please read up on the insulins available, here is a link to the Insulin Support Groups:

Insulin Support Groups


However, one caveat and again this shows how these three things are inter-related:

If you are feeding dry food or even a high carb food, BEFORE removing these foods, please make sure of your insulin dose as it will most likely need to be reduced, so as to avoid a possible hypoglycemic situation due to the removal of the dry/high carb foods that will lower the BG’s and reduce the amount of insulin required. Again, another reason why home testing is important.


I know this all seems like a lot, and that is because it is ... there is a learning curve here. But as long as you are determined and keep at it, you will have it down before you know it and you'll be seeing the results in Your cat's overall health and happiness. Ask all the questions you can think of – that is why we are here!

Now, you can do this on a budget. Here is a shopping to get started:

1. Meter ie Walmart Relion Confirm or Micro*
2. Matching strips
3. Lancets - little sticks to poke the ear to get blood . new members usually start with a larger gauge lancet such as 28g or 29g until the ear learns to bleed. Optional - lancing tool.
4. Neosporin or Polysporin ointment with pain relief to heal the wound (can use generic brand)
5. Mini flashlight (optional) - useful to help see the ear veins in dark cats, and to press against
7. Ketone urine test strips ie ketodiastix - Important to check ketones when blood is high
8. Treats for the cat - like freeze dried chicken, even rotisserie chicken, deli chicken, canned tuna will work
9. Karo syrup/table syrup, honey or any sugar product like jam, jelly, etc. if you dont have it at home - for hypo emergencies to bring blood sugar up fast -
10. A couple of cans of fancy feast gravy lovers or other high carb gravy food- for hypo emergencies to bring blood sugar up fast


• We suggest the Relion meter and matching strips from Walmart, as they are the most economically priced meter and strips. That is assuming you have a Walmart nearby. If not, then you can purchase any human glucometer except for Freestyle with butterfly strips or any meter with TRU in the name. People have had issues in the past with these meters and best to start off with something else.


Here is a link to questions that you can ask any vet:

http://www.indulgedfurries.com/petdiabe ... stions.htm


OK, that's enough for the moment. What questions do you have?
 
Maggie seems to have disappeared on us. I hope she comes back. Maybe some of you facebook users might find her there.

She sent me a pm after I posted thanking me for caring and I replied to her and she still hasn't opened it.
 
The same here. She sent me a PM thanking me and I replied but she hasn't opened it. I hope she and wiz are okay. I hate to think of them struggling by themselves with this as I know how much support I need and get from here.
 
I'm really worried about Maggie, too. I know what it's like to be that lonely and scared and my heart goes out to her.
 
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