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Breannawallace

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Hello everyone!!

mom still trying to figure out how this forum works so please bare with me lol my name is Breanna and my little boy who has been diagnosed with diabetes since September is named Gibson. Gibson is 5 going on 6 soon, his diagnoses came when he dropped from 16 pounds to 9. They vet put him on prozinc. In the two month since diagnosis, he’s gotten worse and last Tuesday we had to bring him to the kitty hospital to be hospitalized with DKA. We will be going to pick him up on Saturday.

I’m not even sure if this is where I post my question about DKA? I’ll post elsewhere too if I find other places lol, but he’s coming home soon and I don’t know what to do next!? How do I prevent this from happening again? How do I set him up for success!? The vet at the hospital is switching his insulin to Lantus as well, not sure on dosing yet, waiting to see what they say in the next check in.

thank you!
 
Welcome to FDMB! And, you are in the right place to ask questions and get information.

This is a post on ketones and DKA.

There are a number of things that you can do to keep Gibson safe. I'm hoping the vet told you that you acted promptly and likely saved your cat's life. DKA can be a life threatening condition. Many of the cats here, mine included, have survived DKA. In simple terms, DKA results from an infection or inflammation + not enough insulin + not enough calories. This combination of factors throws off your cat's metabolism and he became acidotic (i.e., his electrolytes weren't where they should be). Gibson wasn't metabolizing food. He was metabolizing stored fat and this is what causes ketone bodies to be produced. Typically, treatment involves IV fluids because of dehydration and it's a medium for adding back electrolytes (such as potassium), using a short acting insulin to get his blood glucose (BG) numbers down to a better level rapidly along with a longer acting insulin such as Prozinc, making sure he is eating even if it means adding a medication for nausea and an appetite stimulant, and treatment of the underlying infection.

The first two things I would encourage you to do is to get a glucometer. You will want to test Gibson's blood if you're not already doing so in order to keep track of his BG levels. Home testing is the best way you can make sure Gibson's levels are not going too low. It can also serve as a heads up if you see his numbers become unusually high. I'd also suggest getting Ketostix or a blood ketone monitor. The Ketostix are a way to test for urinary ketones whereas the meter allows you to test blood. The Ketostix are less expensive and fine to use providing Gibson doesn't mind that you will need to stalk him to the litter box. Ketones that are trace or lower are manageable at home. If they are above trace levels, it can be an emergency. Any human glucometer is fine. Many people here use the Walmart Relion brand meter because the strips are inexpensive. You should be able to get Ketostix at Walmart. Any pharmacy will stock glucometers and Ketostix. Adding water to Gibson's food can also help. Additional fluid helps to dilute the ketones.

Talk to the vet about Gibson's eating. He will need to eat more calories than he typically does. We suggest 1.5 times the usual amount of what he consumes. If he's still not feeling great, an appetite stimulant (e.g., mirtazepine) can help. If he's nauseated, that will need to get controlled otherwise, he's likely to not want to eat. (Ondansatron and/or Cerenia are often used to manage nausea. Ondansatron is a human medication and available at any pharmacy; Cerenia is a veterinary medication your vet should stock.) While we encourage having your cat on a low carb diet, if he's not feeling great and we're working with a cat that's recently overcome DKA, personally, if all your cat wants to eat is ice cream or the salmon you cooked yourself for dinner, let him eat!!! The calories are important.

The other factor is his insulin. If you weren't home testing, you don't have a means of assessing if Gibson was getting enough insulin. With a cat that is immediately out of the hospital, we encourage keeping an eye on insulin needs (and BG levels) since enough insulin is a part of the equation that keeps ketones in check. While likely not what you want to hear, some cats are more prone to another episode of DKA once they have been there before. That said, my cat had one episode at the time she was diagnosed and never had ketones appear again.

We tend to be pretty aggressive about supporting you and and your cat when it comes to ketones. It is completely unnerving for the caretaker to have a cat that is critically ill. It's also dreadfully expensive. We want to be able to help you set Gibson up for success. Please let us know how we can help. The members here are very generous with their time and knowledge so please ask questions.
 
Thank you SO MUCH for the support so far and responses! I have been busy getting Gibson comfortable at home. He is taking Mirzepine and Cerenia, the vet also gave him Gabapentin for pain to take for 8 days. His appetite has been great which is wonderful because the he was not eating at the vet, and they told us once he is home if he continues not to eat he will not make it long. So we are over here jumping for joy and shedding a lot of happy tears with the amount he’s eating. I do home test with the alpha track right now but we are waiting for the BG meter with the ketone checker as well to come in the mail so we can stay on top of that as well. We have 2 cats so checking the pee in the litter would be tough for us! Gibson’s blood sugars are still significantly high, I have not made the spreadsheet for this site yet but I am getting there! But this morning his numbers were at 27.7, which is concerning but he is eating his high carb kibbles because he is picky about everything else and I just want him to eat. He is currently on 3 units of Glargine, I know we need to wait 7-10 days to see the full effects, it still stresses me out that they are so high though but I’m trying to be patient. On Thursday it will be day 7 then I’m thinking of bumping him up a bit more if his numbers are still fairly high. What do you think about that?
 
Good to hear from you.I’m going to ask @Bandit's Mom to set the spreadsheet and help with the signature as they are both important if we are to help you.
With the urine testing you need to catch the urine either in a little container or big spoon or put the test strip under the stream of urine.
Are you feeding something every couple of hours? We want Gibson to eat as much as possible. And fluids are important as well.

How is he generally? Lethargic or already and active?
Are you giving the cerenia every day?
The high carb will keep his numbers higher. But once we can see the spreadsheet we will be able to see what is going on. Are you testing midway through the cycles to see how low the insulin is taking him.
keep posting :)
 
He’s eating about 3/4 cup of kibbles between 9am and 5pm and then we don’t feed him again until 9pm and between 9pm and 5am he is eating about 3/4 of a cup again so about a cup and a half of kibbles which is astronomically higher than he’s been eating in a while, I’m just trying to get all the food in him I can lol I also give him soft food as well and he will pick on that but definitely prefers the kibbles. He also has access to fresh water every day and drinks A LOT of it lol

right now he is pretty bright, a little wobbly still when he walks and he can’t jump that high. He was very lethargic prior to being hospitalized but since being home he’s a little slow moving and wobbly but not lethargic like he was before.

my partner struggles testing him, I’ve been working and so he’s on days off an so the mid day tests haven’t happened yet but they will when I can!

yes the vet said to give him the cerenia every day for 8 days!
 
He’s eating about 3/4 cup of kibbles between 9am and 5pm and then we don’t feed him again until 9pm and between 9pm and 5am he is eating about 3/4 of a cup again so about a cup and a half of kibbles which is astronomically higher than he’s been eating in a while, I’m just trying to get all the food in him I can lol I also give him soft food as well and he will pick on that but definitely prefers the kibbles. He also has access to fresh water every day and drinks A LOT of it lol

right now he is pretty bright, a little wobbly still when he walks and he can’t jump that high. He was very lethargic prior to being hospitalized but since being home he’s a little slow moving and wobbly but not lethargic like he was before.

my partner struggles testing him, I’ve been working and so he’s on days off an so the mid day tests haven’t happened yet but they will when I can!

yes the vet said to give him the cerenia every day for 8 days!
That’s a pretty good report! Very happy to hear he’s drinking and eating well.
Once we can the mid cycle tests we will be able to see if the dose needs increasing. The mid cycle tests tell us if the dose needs increasing. That’s why they are so important.
 
Hi Breanna & Gibson! Welcome to FDMB! :-)
Great to hear that he is eating better and looking brighter.

I can help set up your spreadsheet and signature. Will send you a PM with the details I need. Look for it in the Inbox at the top right corner of this page.
 
It's good to hear back from you and get such a thorough report on Gibson!! It looks like Bhooma (Bandit's Mom) worked her spreadsheet magic. Now it's your job to fill in Gibson's test data. Like Bron noted, we'll be much more helpful if we know what it is you're seeing with regard to Gibson's numbers. We're very numbers oriented since it's the only way we can be sure we're giving legit guidance.

There's a good chance you're not going to see a marked reduction in Gibson's numbers while you're feeding Gibson dry food. The food you're using (based on your signature) is over 40% carbohydrate. That's an astronomically high amount of carbs for a diabetic!. We consider under 10% as low carb and most members feed their cat about 5% carb give or take. You are, however, correct. It's more important that Gibson is eating than what he's eating. Is he on a limited ingredient diet? A duck and pea formula is typically for cats that have food or GI sensitivities. Once things settle down, we can help you give more thought to diet issues and transitioning Gibson to a lower carb diet. The same food that is good for Gibson's diabetes will be very appropriate for your other cat, as well.

I'd also suggest getting as much water into Gibson as you can. It is easier if a cat is on a canned food diet -- the canned food has a much higher moisture content and you can add water to the canned food. Some cats won't eat their dry food if you add water. Although, it does sound like he's drinking quite a bit but this is likely due to his numbers being high. Also, keep in mind that his numbers may reflect when you're testing. Numbers tend to be higher at the beginning/end of the 12-hour cycle since the last dose of insulin is wearing off. If you're testing in the 2-hour window after you've given Gibson his shot and after he's eaten, his numbers may also be on the higher side due to the insulin not having begun to work plus your just having fed him. Numbers would be at their lowest around the middle of the cycle (+6).

Please let us know how we can help.
 
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