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Bobbie And Bubba

Bobbie And Bubba

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On the 8th I increased from 2.4u to 2.6, nothing.........same flat cycle, actually a bit higher. I increased again the 9th up to 2.8 still a flat cycle. So this morning I just took him up to 3units. I am becoming so deflated. I thought the yellow flat cycle was a good sign but apparently I did not do him any favors letting him hang there. Otherwise, he seems fine, peeing, pooping, playing,& purring, My question is this: if he doesn't start coming down soon, should I do bigger increases at a pop? I am so lost......
 
He has been getting higher numbers the last few days...not sure what's caused it. He didn't get into any contraband and no big changes in his routine?

I'm not sure Bobbie...at this point, maybe increase every 3 cycles? Might help break through whatever is keeping him in those flat cycles.
 
Would he hurt to increase every AM like I am doing since nothing is happening? No real drops the whole cycle. I feel like I need to jump start him again. I am thinking if I don't see any progress today, tomorrow I will bump him up .50 and see what happens. What do y'all think?
 
I know what you mean Bobbie, I increased Colin to 6u last night, and nothing. Like shooting water. With Levemir, I have to wait a few cycles for the depot to build, but you'd think I'd see something. Good luck with you increases, hope you break through soon!
 
Bobbie, I think you could do that. We usually suggest every 3 cycles, but you certainly test enough to increase that often if it's what you think is best. You know Bubba...he likes to be the exception to the rule!
 
Sharon14 said:
I know what you mean Bobbie, I increased Colin to 6u last night, and nothing. Like shooting water. With Levemir, I have to wait a few cycles for the depot to build, but you'd think I'd see something. Good luck with you increases, hope you break through soon!
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You too Sharon! What the heck with these guys?
 
Bubba, Bubba, Bubba. You drive your Mom wild and after she treats you so well and works so hard to do it!

I like your increase today. The insulin is working - you do get a drop. And the good news is that he isn't bouncing. (Remember when he did that every single cycle?). So I would get aggressive, 0.25 or 0.5 every three cycles, as long as you can monitor, every 3 cycles. I would give the new dose three cycles to work - he is pretty notorious for taking a while to give you lower numbers on an increase. But keep streaming on toward Atlanta (an analogy for you Southern belles) until you see a break through.
 
Sue and Oliver (GA) said:
Bubba, Bubba, Bubba. You drive your Mom wild and after she treats you so well and works so hard to do it!

I like your increase today. The insulin is working - you do get a drop. And the good news is that he isn't bouncing. (Remember when he did that every single cycle?). So I would get aggressive, 0.25 or 0.5 every three cycles, as long as you can monitor, every 3 cycles. I would give the new dose three cycles to work - he is pretty notorious for taking a while to give you lower numbers on an increase. But keep streaming on toward Atlanta (an analogy for you Southern belles) until you see a break through.
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Thanks for making me laugh, Scarlet! sigh, okay, so I need to rewrap my mind around the insulin working and not bouncing. It's not much of a drop, though.......good plan, every three cycles increase.
 
I like it that Bubba isn't bouncing and that could be because you are going slow and going a few cycles before increasing. However I am thinking too that if you do increase every PS; it is like a sliding scale i.e. changing with every shot. Whether you increase 0.5u every three cycles or increase 0.2u every PS, you still get to the same number in three cycles i.e. 0.5u vs 0.6u. I say whichever will get you to your desired number but without the bouncing.
 
Merlin said:
I like it that Bubba isn't bouncing and that could be because you are going slow and going a few cycles before increasing. However I am thinking too that if you do increase every PS; it is like a sliding scale i.e. changing with every shot. Whether you increase 0.5u every three cycles or increase 0.2u every PS, you still get to the same number in three cycles i.e. 0.5u vs 0.6u. I say whichever will get you to your desired number but without the bouncing.
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Okay, that makes sense. I guess I won't know till I know.....Thanks Cindi, . Today is one of those days.....feeling crapola about it all days. And then to read on Carol's post that she and Sharon are losing weight while Bubba's numbers are going up and so do my scales....... LOL!
 
I look at it as a math equation....

If you are shooting 1u, and you increase to 1.2u, that's a 20% increase in insulin.
If you're shooting 2.8u and increase to 3.0u, that's about a 7% increase. So I would expect to see less noticeable differences logically.
Of course, cats can't do math, and with feline diabetes, logic isn't necessarily a given.
 
Carl & Polly & Bob (GA) said:
I look at it as a math equation....

If you are shooting 1u, and you increase to 1.2u, that's a 20% increase in insulin.
If you're shooting 2.8u and increase to 3.0u, that's about a 7% increase. So I would expect to see less noticeable differences logically.
Of course, cats can't do math, and with feline diabetes, logic isn't necessarily a given.
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It would be nice if they could do math and also if they could do "consistency". I am trying not to pull my hair out.......
 
Colin, like me, sucks at math. His numbers go up after his shot lately rather than down. I don't understand it at all. :banghead:
@Merlin, I know you said you use DE, do you give it to your cats? In the feed store where I get my DE, they told me of several human customers who swear that DE has helped their diabetes. I suppose it won't hurt anyway...
 
Sharon14 said:
@Merlin, I know you said you use DE, do you give it to your cats? In the feed store where I get my DE, they told me of several human customers who swear that DE has helped their diabetes.
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Yes, I do use DE sometimes. Do make sure that it is "food grade" DE and also do not have it near the kitties or yourself where you inhale it or get it in your eyes. It is an irritant and not good to breath in or get in your eye. I mix in about an 1/8 tsp or little less in with the meal. I don't use it all the time but when I am giving some food that I am not otherwise putting something else in their food such as Methyl B12, Vit B, Phos Binder, etc., I will put it in. As it was previously said before, it seems that we are always sprinkling something into their food.
 
Yes I've taken the DE myself and given it to the horses, but didn't know about cats. Thanks for the info.
 
Sharon14 said:
Colin, like me, sucks at math. His numbers go up after his shot lately rather than down. I don't understand it at all. :banghead:
@Merlin, I know you said you use DE, do you give it to your cats? In the feed store where I get my DE, they told me of several human customers who swear that DE has helped their diabetes. I suppose it won't hurt anyway...
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That's a good idea. Gosh I already have so many things to add to his food, what's one more thing!
 
Sharon14 said:
Colin, like me, sucks at math. His numbers go up after his shot lately rather than down. I don't understand it at all. :banghead:
@Merlin, I know you said you use DE, do you give it to your cats? In the feed store where I get my DE, they told me of several human customers who swear that DE has helped their diabetes. I suppose it won't hurt anyway...
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With ProZinc, it isn't uncommon for their numbers to go up after they eat around +2. With Levemir, is it supposed to go down?
 
I see Bubba didn't move much today again. Colin has decided pinks are ok, but reds are pretty too:arghh: If he was just going up +2, and he does, that would be fine, he goes up all day! I'm lost...
 
Sharon14 said:
I see Bubba didn't move much today again. Colin has decided pinks are ok, but reds are pretty too:arghh: If he was just going up +2, and he does, that would be fine, he goes up all day! I'm lost...
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I hear you Sharon, I was so depressed last night, I went to bed at 8:30 ( needed the sleep badly) I feel your pain.
 
I went to bed early too! It didn't help Colin though, he's as high as ever this AM. I see Bubba has a better PS this AM. Hope he does well today.
 
Sharon14 said:
I went to bed early too! It didn't help Colin though, he's as high as ever this AM. I see Bubba has a better PS this AM. Hope he does well today.
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Yeah, I shot 3 units at his amps. Never shot that amount at that number before. I am nervous and will test often today. He isn't happy about being inside again, yesterday too cause it was raining all day. I just noticed you give Wellness to Colin and it has that carrageenan additive for thickness that can cause inflammation. What if you didn't give it to Colin for a few days to see if he is sensitive to it and causing his numbers to stay up? I looked back to see if after I gave Wellness there was higher numbers and didn't see that it made any difference with Bubba but that's not to say that it couldn't at some point. Just a thought.
 
He hasn't had wellness in a week or so, but he has had 9Lives which also has carrageenan. I gave him that on the day he got the blue, so I've kept with it. This AM, I gave him FF chicken. I guess I need to have him tested for acromegaly. I've been putting it off because it's another expense that I can not afford right now, but I think mostly because I fear the results. I'm also wondering if he could have a problem with his mouth since the dental. He's acting fine, but could there be a little residual infection? If I see no movement again today, I'll post in L&LL for dosing ideas. I need to be way more aggressive I guess
 
Sharon14 said:
He hasn't had wellness in a week or so, but he has had 9Lives which also has carrageenan. I gave him that on the day he got the blue, so I've kept with it. This AM, I gave him FF chicken. I guess I need to have him tested for acromegaly. I've been putting it off because it's another expense that I can not afford right now, but I think mostly because I fear the results. I'm also wondering if he could have a problem with his mouth since the dental. He's acting fine, but could there be a little residual infection? If I see no movement again today, I'll post in L&LL for dosing ideas. I need to be way more aggressive I guess
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The day he got the blues was AM, right? So was the 9-lives for dinner the night before or for his AM meal?
 
That AM. Probably FF for dinner night before. He was in 400's that AM, and dropped through the day, like he should. My insulin looks fine, clear and no floaters. I just don't get why there is no drop during his cycle. I even got up at 1:30 AM to check in case he was dropping at night then bouncing during the day, but he was mid 300's as usual. I think I have read everything on the internet on Feline diabetes trying to find a key, but here we are...
 
Sharon14 said:
That AM. Probably FF for dinner night before. He was in 400's that AM, and dropped through the day, like he should. My insulin looks fine, clear and no floaters. I just don't get why there is no drop during his cycle. I even got up at 1:30 AM to check in case he was dropping at night then bouncing during the day, but he was mid 300's as usual. I think I have read everything on the internet on Feline diabetes trying to find a key, but here we are...
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Sharon, I know, me too. There are so many variables and when I think I have something figured out, it goes heck.....If he test to be acromegaly, what is done for it?
 
That's what scares me about the acro Dx, there's nothing I can do. There's a treatment, but it very expensive and only done in a few places. Other than that you just keep increasing their dose. Some people are up to 20-30u BID! I can't afford that either. Then, the life expectancy is short.
 
Sharon14 said:
That's what scares me about the acro Dx, there's nothing I can do. There's a treatment, but it very expensive and only done in a few places. Other than that you just keep increasing their dose. Some people are up to 20-30u BID! I can't afford that either. Then, the life expectancy is short.
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So you spend a lot of $$ to find out that you just keep doing what you are doing? Ugh..... Did you ever try dosing every 8 hours on ProZinc? I saw I think BJM talk about it once.
 
My vet suggested that too, but it wasn't that the insulin didn't last long enough, it just wasn't working at all. I hope he just has insulin resistance or glucose toxicity or whatever it's called, then it's just a matter of increases until we hit the magic number and break through. (If I understand it right)
 
Sharon14 said:
My vet suggested that too, but it wasn't that the insulin didn't last long enough, it just wasn't working at all. I hope he just has insulin resistance or glucose toxicity or whatever it's called, then it's just a matter of increases until we hit the magic number and break through. (If I understand it right)
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I think that is the way I understood it also.
 
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