I think my civvie is deaf

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Gina & Yittle (GA)

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Why does it always seem like cat health issues sneak up on you. Darn sneaky cats....

We've got an elderly civvie in our house - Phoenix, she's a pastel calico (grey, orange, white), very sweet girl - a little ditzy. We know she'll be at least 16 this February, possibly much older since we've found out the local HS had a habit of saying any cat that was more then about 1.5 years old and under 7-8 years old (if they didn't have definitive proof of age) was "about 2" - and she was "about 2" when we adopted her. So she could be 17, 18, 19... even 20 - we just don't know. She's actually not "our" cat - she was Yittle's cat. When he was a kitten he was a holy terror and had to be less then 3 feet away from or in physical contact at all times (awake or asleep, except when using the litter box) with either me or our calico Boo. She and I got tired of never getting any sleep and we decided we'd adopt a 3rd cat so he'd have somebody else to be with. We thought a nice 2 year old female would be a good choice, they said it was possible she'd had kittens before being rescued and we said ah good, she'll be all maternal. Not.... But she did a good job of keeping him distracted. Over the years as we got more cats she's just remained the Omega - doesn't matter who's been added, their gender, age, anything - she's just the bottom of the totem pole here. But it never seemed to mind her much, we'd keep them from doing her any serious harm and she never really was upset - 2 minutes after somebody pounces on her she's half asleep and purring her butt off so its been manageable.

Over the years we've spent thousands on her medical care - bluntly because the HS knew she had a health condition and did not disclose it to us when we adopted her. We learned this several years later when we were about to put her to sleep because she was naked from the neck down to her tail, covered in sores from chewing on herself and throwing up 10-12 times a day. We had exhausted just about every option at that time and felt we needed to stop her suffering when a former worker from the HS came running into the vet examination room and asked if she could see the cat. Said she remembered her unusual name from her days at the HS and wanted to see if she was the same cat. She was - proof positive being the cat jumping happily into her arms and greeting her like an old friend. Turned out she'd nearly died several times before they adopted her out and had been in this situation before - due to an extreme flea allergy. Since we didn't let our cats out, it hadn't occured to us that this could be the case but from then on we agressively kept any fleas from her and she regrew all her fur and recovered. Back when we trusted flea collars we kept one on her regardless of the fact all our cats were inside only, later we switched to using the transdermal treatments anytime she went to the vet, or any other cat went to the vet for more then a shot (ie stayed over) or any cat was added to the house, or any cat owned by someone we knew had a flea problem. That and a few courses of steroids and she was good to go for life pretty much. I'd say its been almost a decade since then and she's been happy and reasonably healthy until this past year. She's got a minor seizure disorder but its just petite mal ones and she never loses her footing or falls over - she just spaces out and then comes back to us a few seconds later (and her whiskers and ears twitch). She's got a bad heart murmer but at this point there's not a lot we can do with that (grade 3 of 5?). And she's got some lingering issues with her blood work - we wouldn't want to put her under anethesia anymore although in the past we made sure she had dental cleanings and all that stuff. She's the hairball queen, we've taught her that if she pukes on hard surfaces (not carpet or furniture) is fine and she won't get in trouble and we'll give her a nice pet afterwards to make her feel better, so thats not a huge deal really.

Last spring she started missing the occaisional meal - sleeping through it. I figured since we were feeding Yittle 6-8x a day, that she was just eating his Fancy Feast and ignoring the scheduled "all kitties" Friskies breakfast and dinner. Then he died and we trapped Kerry and again I was doleing out Fancy Feast to him since he was very small - and she always showed up for that. I thought eh, she just ignores the "big can" sound. Well, the last 2 or so months she's started missing meals more and more - or rather, not missing because if a cat doesn't show up we track their fuzzy butt down and poke them to make sure they know. But we were having to find her more often. When we would track her down she'd immediately run in and eat so she wasn't actually missing eating - more like missing the dinner bell I guess. We noticed she was a bit more skittish but Kerry is so playful we just assumed he was pouncing on her more. After Yittle died we had a battle for alpha cat - Nicholas Von Icklestein had it from June - October, but once we let Kerry out in general population despite the fact he's 9-10 pounds and Nicholas is 19lbs, well um, Kerry pwned him and took over. Its the funniest thing ever having the smallest cat in the house be alpha. It just seemed normal she might be a bit skittish with Yittle gone (he picked on her, but he also protected her from the other cats - she was HIS) and the whole rumble for the top spot.

Until this week - when I realized she's apparently almost entirely deaf - I went to wake her up for dinner and decided to try doing it without poking her and it couldn't be done. I said her name, yelled her name, clapped my hands over her head loudly, banged on the can with the spoon - not so much as an ear twitch. It wasn't until I stomped my foot on the floor that she picked her head up (vibrations I guess). So we're going to take her into the vet next week when we can get an appointment and not be under a foot of snow - but I figure besides making sure she doesn't have an ear infection or wax build up there's probably not a lot that can be done.

Any tips on how to deal with a deaf cat? - We have instituted a policy of ALWAYS waking her up before meals are handed out so she won't miss out on them, but beyond that and knowing that if I need her attention I have to make vibrations and not sound I'm not sure what else we can do. She seems ok - she's spending a bit more time in my lap but thats partly because Yittle doesn't dominate it now. I think she can hear a little in the upper ranges - she shows no sign of hearing our voices but there was a huge cat fight yesterday and somebody did a very high pitched blood curdleing scream of protest (they're fine, they just were pissed off) and she did turn her head and ears towards that. But its the only thing I've seen her react to since I started watching a few days ago.
 
Hi Gina. Phoenix sounds like a sweetie. My old cat Toby was deaf from about 17 to 21 and 1/2, when she passed. It didn't seem to bother her. Only REAL problem was once when she accidentally got out and was lost for 6 days. No way to call her. (ONe of the worst 6 days of my life!) Just do what you normally do. Wake her for meals gently. And try not to startle her. I wonder if she really is older. Do you have a photo of her. My McKaela was a pastel calico. Donna
 
I have a beautiful long haired white, blue eyed girl who lives in my garage and is ?? I have had her 10 years
and she was pregnant for the second time when I caught her. She is in the garage because she doesn't play
well with others, big time. I had a room built at the back of the garage and we made her a cat heaven.
Lights, music and a big bed in a large cupboard. I run a non-profit in the garage, so she has a lot of company.

She has done well and is the only cat that goes out. She has always been smart around cars and is a terror
to the local birds but she loves people but not enough to live with us and other cats :) we realized
about a year ago that she wasn't jumping up for the garage door, or when any door opened. We had her
tested (where she bit the vet :) and she's deaf .....

We again tried to move her thinking she needed to be just inside, tried my office behind garage .....
I have/had six semi-ferals living in my office and a large enclosed patio on the other side. We tried
everything! We have dogs in the main part of the house and like most cats that lived on the street,
is totally afraid of dogs. So now we play the garage is not the garage ..... because she can't hear cars
pull into the driveway, we now come in the front door, go down the stairs and move her to the room
in the back, close the door and bring the car in.

Except for not picking up the noises of our movements, she is very attune at what is going on. She
waits at the place where I feed her, she follows me until I pick her up, she watches me work ....
like always. You sound as if you're doing everything right, remember they scare easy now so try and
let her know gently that you are around. Good luck but it really doesn't change the cat much.
 
I'll inquire about the thyroid test, although I'm pretty sure we got one done last year. She had an incident where her front legs buckled out from under her a couple of times, but by the time I got to where she was sitting she was acting normal. I had a hell of a time getting the money to take her in but I managed to throw a fit big enough that my mom finally gave me the money I needed to take her in for a work-up. We had a full senior checkup done - exam, blood tests, etc etc... It reconfirmed the heart murmer and found the elevated liver levels - but thyroid was I believe normal at that time. As was blood sugar etc... Ultimately the vet and I decided we'd watch her and see if anything else happened - and nothing did. Our best guess is that she'd had a petite mal seizure just beforehand - she'd been sleeping and doing the twitching toes, nose and ears routine that usually means they're having a dream when she bolted upright and then her front legs went out from under her. I've had the same type of seizures before and sometimes you fall right as you snap out of it because muscles aren't in the position you left them in - if you will. Since then its been pretty normal until now. Or well - normal for her because she's always had issues. She likes to rub her face against objects and she's worn off all her whiskers. Usually she's got 2 or maybe 3 regular length ones and the rest are all stubs. I have tried everything to break her of the habit but she's done it for the entire time we've had her (14 years this Feburary) and she won't stop. I know losing their whiskers can make them a bit wobbly at times. She's a bit better when we keep the Feliway thingie full, but it doesn't stop her from doing it.

In my heart, I think she's just old. Of course we're going to try and get her in to do a once over but I'm at a slight disadvantage for that. Not only do I need to wrangle the money for it from my Mother, but I'll have to get a ride from her too. After over 2 1/2 years of not having a job hubby has a temporary contract and he's working 12 hour days. Even if I could dig out the 2nd car from the foot of snow thats on it - plus the driveway, I don't drive hardly at all anymore and unless somebody is bleeding, not breathing or something like that I don't plan to start on ice-covered roads. I'm hoping I can find a day next week and get her in then.

I know I have a newer photo of her somewhere but I can't find it. This one is probably 10 years old and a bit fuzzy...

phoenix.jpg
 
Gina, Denosyl and Marin are great for liver problems. B.K., age unknown...just showed up.....heart murmur...went to cardio and is now on heart meds but....in the past year she's had several checks done, thyroid was normal and then suddenly it was way up. Things can change even in just a few months and one of the signs I've noticed with elderly cats and thyroid is loss of hearing. She's a pretty little girl too.
 
My Pepper---long gone, now, was both blind and deaf when she passed at age 16.

She went blind first....adjusted well.

I lives in a quiet apartment, just she and I. She responded to vibration on the
floor. If I wanted her to come to me (she was awake)...I just put my hand on the floor
and patted the floor smartly.

I made sure never to startle her, no moving of furniture.

If she was asleep, just touch her lightly on the shoulder, and stroke her gently.
Put my mouth up to her neck and talk to her...she could sense the vibration of my voice
and it seemed to be soothing to her....like human purring, I imagine.
 
I second going for vibration to cue the cat

You can stomp the floor.
or
Make yourself a "thumper" - a 2*4 with some padding on one end to thump the floor
or
If you have a trained singing voice, sing a pitch with lots of vibrato (my former housemate's deaf cat always howled and came over when I "eeeeed" with vibrato)

Also, when you're in the same room, consider using light to signal the cat - a focused bright light (not a laser) directed across the eyes may get a response.
 
Well she knew when her daddy bean got home from work tonight (lol). Combination of the front door slamming, shoes being tossed off, stuff being banged around etc - started eyeing the door to the room and looking hopeful. Ears didn't move at all though. Then right as he was walking to the room she started getting all perky - particularly when she saw his shadow in the doorway and knew it was him and not somebody else. She loved her ear scritches and kisses, course she spent most of the evening sleeping in my lap - but nothing beats Daddy getting home. She's always been his girl (and Yittle's).

We had to institute a policy some years back - because he'd come home, or wander past going to bed and he'd kiss her but not me - and I'd be sitting next to her (lol). Now I demand a kiss for every one she gets, if I'm in the same room (lol)
 
Gina, how interesting. Phoenix is so pretty and looks like such a sweet kitty.
I love the way she acts when her daddy bean gets home.

My DS's kitty Trouble
was born deaf. He is white with blue eyes.
We stomp our feet and he feels the vibrations and knows we are around.
We give him lots of strokes and hands on contact.
He doesn't startle at all.
 
My Dev went deaf around age 17 ... never bothered him at all. I would stomp on the floor to get his attention and try not to touch him when he was asleep but that did seem to startle (and annoy!) him. He would look at me as if to say, "Why are you now playing this new game of being quiet and scaring me?"

The one thing that was funny was that he was no longer afraid of the vacuum. He would stare at it with a "why did I used to be afraid of you?" look on his face. :lol:

He lived another 5 years. It was never an issue.
 
Update...

We finally got Phoenix to the vet on Valentine's day - which is her celebrated birthday. Some gift for her 16th+++ birthday, a vet visit (le sigh). The vet gave her a nail trimming for free (lol) although I don't think that qualifies as a gift since it was apparently more for the vet's comfort then hers. Phoenix is a good girl, doesn't bite (which is good because she's sans rabies vaccine by our choice with support from vet) - but if you try to do anything near her face, neck etc - she does the little slappy happy paws routine and tries to rub you away, with of course her very sharp claws extended. Can't blame the vet for deciding to trim her claws first and shave her neck and draw blood second :lol:

I got the vet's notes version of her test results today, but the front desk staff couldn't print out the full numbers version to compare to last year's blood panel for another week due to a backlog of scanning them into the system. According to the comments the vet made after reading her full results - Her T4 was normal, and her kidneys and thyroid appeared to have normal values as well. She doesn't have an ear infection, and as far as we can tell the deafness is both perminent and age-related. Blood sugar was I believe normal also, there was one thing high but I forget what it was. She has some dental disease but at her age we're unlikely to put her under for a dental proceedure unless she's got an abcess or something similiar. We're just not entirely sure she'd make it - last year some of her liver levels were high and I expect when I get the full print out that they will have stayed high.. the vet's notes only discussed changes from last year.

She's lost some weight, she's down to 8.9lbs from last year's 9.6 and her prime of life range of 10-12lbs. However she's not skeltal and it appears to be normal age related weight loss. She's eating normally, and we don't plan to do much to change her diet other then offer her some fancy feast once in awhile as a bonus meal, and make sure if she's looking for leftover moist and there isn't any (rare occurance, there's always leftovers) to put down some extra. Her seizure disorder remains and is not yet at a level where treatment is required. Should she have a full seizure we will take her in and get medicine for her, but at the moment her little mini space out seizures aren't causing any problems for anybody and she's had them for around a decade if not longer so we're content to leave well enough alone.

The big concerns appear to be that her heart murmer has degraded further - she had previously been a 3 out of 5. The vet we saw this time was a different on staff vet from last year and she grades 1-6 vs 1-5. She put Phoenix at a 4 pushing 5 out of 6. She also had a heartbeat of 270 at the vet, and appeared to be breathing a bit heavily although she's always been a nervous cat. We haven't noticed her having any trouble breathing at home, or panting - although she snores loudly enough to be heard across the room (she snores like an uncle in a recliner after thanksgiving dinner...). We're supposed to try and count her breaths while she's asleep and check to see that its under 30 a minute once she's recovered from the stress of her visit. As the vet pointed out - she can't hear us sneak up on her anymore so it should be easy. The vet said her lungs sounded clear and there was no indication of fluid build up or anything that indicated she was currently in heart failure - but that we should keep an eye out for signs of that in the future.

After all that, we celebrated her 16th+++ birthday with tuna for dinner and a round of catnip for everybody. :RAHCAT
 
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