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well, I have done everything I can. He is just soo sick. I can't get him treated again. I just feel hopeless.

I watched him like a hawk, gave him his insulin we were working on getting his doese right as fast as possible.

I just don't know what to do anymore.
 
Please don't go there yet, I just looked at your SS, it doesn't look bad at all! I mean, I don't know what else you are dealing with, but if it is just diabetes, your numbers are not outrageous. Please just wait here till others chime in! This is a very treatable disease, sometimes the hardest hurdles come in the beginning, when you are trying to find the right dose but it does get better!
 
We had a relapse of ketoacidtosis. I can't treat him again. He just got out of the Er vet not even a month ago with the same thing. We used every last bit of funding we had . We just can not treat him anymore. I tried my best in everything I gave him my life devotedly for the last month tried to do everything right.. I just can't win.
 
Oh I'm sorry .. I did not know ... I totally understand the financial aspect ... I know there are some organizations out there that could possibly help with you and what you are going through. Have you applied for care credit?
 
Yep, it's maxed out. We had aobut 1000 in cash our saveings for our vacation. We blew though that treating and diagnoseing him with his diabetes. Then 2 weeks later he got ill. We used our last bit of vacation money and our care credit.

I can't even think strait anymoe. So little sleep over the past 2 days..
 
God I'm so sorry. There are people here who will post links to credit sources. I just dont know how to find them hold on PLEASE for more replies.
Sending prayers,
jeanne
 
We could not figure out why he went into ketoacidtosis in the first place when he first went in. His bg is never that high anymore. I have just enough funds left to give him final rest. I have given him his fluids and meds like the vet advised, I watched and he has gotten worse sence sunday. On my own there is nothing I can do anymore.
 
mom you obviously love him,,,i know you'll do the most loving and humane thing by him.
money does'nt grow on trees. i suppose if it did we could keep our kitties alive thru just about anything. please find peace in your decision.
((((woden and mommie)))))
 
Some cats are very prone to DKA and it is very tough to figure out why. I'm assuming he was checked for infection the last time and treated for it?

I wish that there was a way to help you and others in your situation :( Please just know that you and your family have done the very best you could and that if you have to euthanize to spare more pain and suffering then we will all understand and support you and be here for you.

Hugs

Jen
 
You are the one that loves him and has cared for him and tried so hard to help. So you will make the right decision for him. I am so sorry you are facing this. It is very difficult and hard to go through, but sometimes letting them go peacefully in your arms is the kindest thing you can do. Whatever you decide, we will be here.
 
Yep checked and treated for infection.. he got it again.

Going into the vet today to get our last checkup. From there I will decide on what to do.
 
I'm very sorry Woden is still so ill. I've been where you are so it is hard to understand how they keep getting so sick again.

With lower numbers it is possible there is still an infection, and maybe Woden got off the antibiotics too soon.

You've done so much so no matter what happens you cannot blame yourself.

We wish you both the best,
Pam & Layla
 
I am so sorry you are going through this again. I thought for sure when he started eating a bit on his own that he was through this! One thing, other than fluids, that an ER vet can do is give R insulin, which is a very fast acting insulin and needs to be given in very small amounts. My Oscar is another one that is prone to getting ketones with yellow numbers. Syringe feed food, or even syrup and give R insulin simultaneously, if you can be home to monitor every hour. Novolin R is like $25 and does not need a script. You start with a 0.25u dose since it is just pure insulin not mixed with anything to make it longer acting. The food/syrup would provide the glucose to the blood and the R will convert it to energy quickly, which makes the body not go after the muscles and fat as much.
 
I agree with Kelly about trying R insulin to try to quickly get the BGs down. I tried it with my Grey Ghost. But sadly it did not do anything. I worked up to 2 or three units and would only get a drop of maybe 30. He also developed ketones and I had to say goodbye. He lost a pound during his last week.
 
Right now he is at the vet, getting some help. I'm working with my er vet sence my normal vet does not want to handle his case as the er hospital has treated him thus far and they don't want to F something up I guess. The Vet is working with me the best they can and know I am capable of doing alot at home.

My biggest concern is quality of life. Is he going to be going though this every month? He was doing wonderfull eating very well drinking playing then, he was not.
 
(((mom))))) ((((wooden)))))

I'm sorry you are going through this. Sounds like you are gathering all the information you can to make the most compassionate decision for you and your Wooden. Those are very tough decisions. We are here to support you.

Lots of hugs...
 
Woden's_mom said:
My biggest concern is quality of life. Is he going to be going though this every month?
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You know, that's a fair question and I think the answer is ... maybe ... or maybe not. It reminds me of what Pam went through with Layla -- seems that every time she turned around Layla was fighting ketones or in DKA. Some cats are more ketone prone than others, especially in the early days, but then over time things sometimes settle down. Every cat is different and it's impossible to know what Woden will do, but I guess the message I want to give you is that what you're experiencing is not unheard of, and it doesn't mean that it'll always be this way.

I think a few of old-timers can probably give you names of some cats who have experienced this cycle. I can't list them off the top of my head (maybe Hope had one too ?) but maybe someone will come along and help me out...

We're sending positive vibes your way. This has to be exhausting and all you can do is give it your best.
 
The vet has me verry worried talking about possible cancer, pancertitus or liver issues, they also said infection as well. Just wish i could diagnose whats casueing it to flare up.
 
we all wish with you.. just know your in our thoughts and prayers woden's mom.
 
Mishka was the one who actually came to me about 5 p.m. and was in ER the next day with DKA. She also had never been started on insulin, had been vaccinated 3 days before I picked her up, and we went through hell those first 3 months. She'd been in ER for a week, come home for a weekend, go back in with ketones maxed out. There is a very fine line between ketones and DKA and it depends on how acidic the blood is so my first question was always what her blood pH was. Also, at that time the Humulins were still available and I refused N and PZI so she was started on L. Didn't do dip for her so we went to U. Once we got over that major hump she really did well but........at least once a year Mishka would go back in and usually be in DKA. Only one time did we find any reason for it......a UTI. Before that her numbers would be in the 100's, no blood work out of whack, no temp, no nothing to account for the ketones. She was just prone to them and I think even a little upset tummy could put her into DKA. Knock on wood, it has now been close to 2 years that she has been fine. Patches(GA), Baby(GA), Hope.........never had ketones and so far Vinnie hasn't either. Oh, there was one weekend when Mishka threw hi for ketones on the strip, trace next morning, back up to hi, then medium....took her from Fri. to Monday to come back down to negative. Her numbers were great, eating well, playful as all get out, but throwing ketones. Mishka is a total mystery as to why. She is well known by the specialists and all the ER vets.

I want to add one thing though.....believe Thursday is a full moon. Not posted about too much anymore but we see a lot more hypos happen during the phase of the full moon and I kept track over the years because I saw more cats throwing ketones also.

I hope Woden comes through this. I'm always catching Mishka's urine because I can't trust her and it's going on 7 years in Oct. She is on her PZI IDEXX still and will be switching to BCP PZI when time comes. I call her urine "liquid gold" because I am so happy to not only catch it but get negative on the reading.


Prayers coming for Woden .
 
I'm sorry you are going through this awful time - but I know you will let your head and heart lead you to the right decision.

RuthV
 
If you're able to give this one more shot, I've had some decent success with water, R, and Lantus. More than happy to help.

It's your decision. Sometimes, the worst decision is the best one. Sometimes not. But in the end, it's your life, and you're Woden's bean...and love will guide the right decision.

Big hugs to you.

Best-
Michele
 
Well he is somewhat alet and very put off by the seringe feeding. But I am getting quite a bit in him every 3 hours to the point it's starting to raise his BG again. About 30ml total of clinicare mixed with 1/2 a can of FF pate. So far today we figure he ingested aobut 200 ml worth even though we tried to give around 300.

were on fluids, 2x a day, antibiotics and potassium supplaments from the vet. I am also giving him a vitamin supplament for cats (not nutrical or the one with tons of suger.)

As far as the ketones go there still high, but lower than yesterday and possibly going to jump again due to him getting more food in him as his BG is going up. His last check was at 181 +4 from 162pmps. The vet only said to give him .5U but the way his numbers are riseing I don't want the ketones to get worse. I still don't have a acurate clue as to where his bs should be to get him back to "normal" useing glucose.

As far as how he is acting he still walks around from snooseing place to place he is still very tired, follows nosies with his head when he is awake and we have not vomited in allmost 16 hours! he is content to lie on his side under my endtable that I put a sheet over for him to get away from the rest of the house and a nother sheet in there to keep him comfy.

Things that still have me worried are his 3ed eyelids still show a bit, but are no longer covering half his eyes. he is grumpy when I have to pick him up and he is very tired still and not eating on his own.
 
it sounds like you are doing a great job! Have they figured out what kind of infection he has? How are his electrolytes?

BTW, you aren't treating with glucose, you are treating with insulin :) I don't know what sort of BG level you should be aiming for but definitely under 200 to be safe.

GOod luck!

Jen
 
So happy to hear he's still fighting and feeling a little better. Please keep us updated on his progress.

MJ&Donovan
 
you are such a gentle and loving mom...what kitty could ask for more. or human???
any way things work out he is being so loved and that is more important than anything.
lori
 
I know I am useing insulin but I thought as i was told that a kate gets ketones when he goes off of useing glucose as a energy sourse. thats waht I meant getting him back on glucose instead of the thing thats giving him ketones. I was prety tired when I worded that sory.

Yep, I guess I am a pretty good nurse afterall. I take care of my grandparents going to be moveing in with them soon witch is why I need woden to get better so he can handle the move when I go to take care of them full time. Makes me with I could have kids. I would be a pretty good parent from what everyone seems to be saying.

His update for this morning, ketones continue to drop and his BG is at 134 so we have not shot yet this morning.
Everything else attitude and behavior wise is the same as yesterday.
 
Sorry but the insulin doesn't give him ketones. Ketones are caused by insufficient food/insufficient insulin and/or infection. Glucose is the energy source for all of us and it comes from our food but if his body doesn't make enough of its own insulin, he can't get energy from his food. So his body burns fat, which can cause ketones.

I do agree with not giving insulin if he is at 134

Jen
 
Thinking of you and Woden and so far it all sounds upbeat........maybe not out of the woods yet but getting close to it. Clinicare is a wonderful liquid diet and so glad you are getting some into him.
 
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