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Hi. I am Panther's mom and panther is a male 14-18 yr old cat (i think lady said he was 9 when we got him, she says now that he was 6). He just got diagnosed with Diabetes about 2 months ago and we thought we had him stabilized on the insulin at 3 ccs twice a day but last wed when we got up, he was on the floor with his four paws sprawled out and he couldn't get up. I took him straight to the vet where they hooked him up to iv and gave him dextrose. Luckily he was ok but has cost me almost 2000 in the last couple of months. I live in Oshawa, ON Canada and off on work disability right now and finding this has drained me financially and my vet doesn't take payments. She also told me that the meter for testing a cats bg is a specialized one and that the human ones don't measure the same nor accurately. I had to post this way as i'm not sure how to post here. I see you guys offer a kit for testing glucose but since you don't deliver to Canada (wouldn't have an issue paying the shipping here) it's not beneficial to me. If anyone can add any info on where to obtain one free or for shipping here in Canada would be awesome as I'm on a very tight budget. I see you also make mention of a specific type of syringes that walmart sells for 15...the one's I get for Panther at walmart, I pay $40 for 100 so again, if someone knows where I can get them cheaper here in ON it would be awesome. It's just myself and my daughter and she goes back to school away starting Sept and I will be going back to work. Is there a way to switch hours according to work schedules as my schedule changes from wk to wk. Right now, he's at 1 PM and 1 AM so how do I go about changing that if my schedule runs from 8 - 4 so ideally 7 would be an ideal change. Should I start giving them like 11.5 hrs til I wean him back to 7:30 or is this not safe to do. Thanks in advance.

Panthers mom
 
Hi Panther's Mom I just wanted to welcome you, I'm on the west coast so I tend to be up later. I didn't know that they didn't ship meters to Canada, maybe tomorrow some of our Canadian members will have some ideas. You also need to tell us what insulin you are using for advice on how to move his times.

We have many ideas on how to treat Panther as cheaply as possible, maybe you could add where in Canada you are. Keep asking questions and looking for answers.
Nancy and Payne
 
Okay I see where you are in Oshawa, that will help the members tomorrow .... we have many ideas and we will help you figure this out.
Nancy
 
Panthersmom said:
I see you also make mention of a specific type of syringes that walmart sells for 15...the one's I get for Panther at walmart, I pay $40 for 100 so again, if someone knows where I can get them cheaper here in ON it would be awesome.

Hi Panthers Mom, Glad to hear that Panther was OK.

The syringes at Walmart are the Relion brand - I paid under $13 for a box of 100. You may have to talk with the pharmacist. Since you have access to Walmart, You can buy a meter there as well. Many people here use the Relion brand, the meters are inexpensive and the testing strips are generally considered to be the cheapest around. The Relion Prime is a new meter, and the test strips are $9 for a box of 50. I don't have any experience with it, but I've seen that a couple of people here have made the switch.

Human meter results do run differently than the pet meters, but that doesn't mean that you need to buy an expensive pet meter and even more expensive test strips. I use the Relion Ultima and tested it at the Vet's office against the same drop of blood, my meter was around 50 points lower than theirs. And the acceptable variance for a meter is +/- 20%. I also tested my meter against two other meters - mine had higher numbers. Really you're looking for trends to see what affect the insulin is having on the BG.

Good luck. :smile:
 
Hello Panthers Bean!

Welcome to the board, we have a lot of members in Canada but if you have access to a Walmart that will be helpful. A couple of questions:
--What is your insulin?
--You said the dose is 3cc's- is that twice a day at 3cc's or once a day at 3cc's or twice a day at 1.5cc's?
--Meters- human meters are just fine- Relion makes some good meters with the cheapest strips around. Home testing is essential- if your cat was lying down and unable to get up that sounds like a hypo situation. Home testing will let you know if Panther is getting low so you can intervene before having to rush him to the vet.
--Syringes- Relion has a brand as well but it depends on what insulin you are giving. If you are giving a 40ml insulin those syringes are indeed higher. But we have a conversion chart to 100ml to allow you to get cheaper syringes.
--Food- have you started Panther on a low-carb canned food diet or is he still eating dry food candy? That is another reason to home-test.

Hopefully some of our members who live in your area will get on soon and offer up suggestions.
 
I don't believe the Walmarts in Canada carry the Relion meters. You can get the Aviva Accuchek there, which is a great meter. That's what I use for Bandit. Strips can be pricy in the store but if you order them online via ebay or amazon they are a lot cheaper.

You most certainly can use a human meter, and you don't need an expensive pet meter. Your vet is right that human meters don't quite measure the same (they run about 30 points lower than the pet meters), but all you do is just move your "safe" range a little lower. Normal blood sugar for a cat on a human meter is 50-120, where on a Pet meter it's 70-150. Insulin dosing protocols for cats are also written for human meters, so getting the pet meter is not necessary at all.

What type of insulin is Panther on? I know a lot of vets in Canada put cats on Caninsulin, which is NOT a good insulin for cats. It's ineffective, and can cause dangerous hypoglycemic episodes when the dose is raised too high because it's ineffective. Since Panther just had a severe hypo episode, that makes me worried. Did your vet lower the insulin dose? If not, he still might be in danger. Lantus (glargine) and Levemir (detemir) are the recommended insulins for cats. Newly diagnosed cats have an 84% chance of no longer needing insulin after a short time on these.

Also, what are you feeding Panther? Diabetic cats need a low carb, canned diet, and you can feed any grocery store cat food that fits this criteria. If you're feeding dry food, this is very bad for diabetics and can keep blood sugar high. Hopefully some Canadian members will be along to give you some inexpensive food suggestions as well!
 
Panthersmom said:
Hi. I am Panther's mom and panther is a male 14-18 yr old cat (i think lady said he was 9 when we got him, she says now that he was 6). He just got diagnosed with Diabetes about 2 months ago and we thought we had him stabilized on the insulin at 3 ccs twice a day but last wed when we got up, he was on the floor with his four paws sprawled out and he couldn't get up. I took him straight to the vet where they hooked him up to iv and gave him dextrose. Luckily he was ok but has cost me almost 2000 in the last couple of months. I live in Oshawa, ON Canada and off on work disability right now and finding this has drained me financially and my vet doesn't take payments. She also told me that the meter for testing a cats bg is a specialized one and that the human ones don't measure the same nor accurately. I had to post this way as i'm not sure how to post here. I see you guys offer a kit for testing glucose but since you don't deliver to Canada (wouldn't have an issue paying the shipping here) it's not beneficial to me. If anyone can add any info on where to obtain one free or for shipping here in Canada would be awesome as I'm on a very tight budget. I see you also make mention of a specific type of syringes that walmart sells for 15...the one's I get for Panther at walmart, I pay $40 for 100 so again, if someone knows where I can get them cheaper here in ON it would be awesome. It's just myself and my daughter and she goes back to school away starting Sept and I will be going back to work. Is there a way to switch hours according to work schedules as my schedule changes from wk to wk. Right now, he's at 1 PM and 1 AM so how do I go about changing that if my schedule runs from 8 - 4 so ideally 7 would be an ideal change. Should I start giving them like 11.5 hrs til I wean him back to 7:30 or is this not safe to do. Thanks in advance.

Panthers mom

Welcome to the site. I was living in Toronto for many yrs and had 2 cats getting insulin. There are many others on this site living in ON, so if you can add your location, Oshawa, ON to your profile.... upper right corner, select User Control Panel, then select profile and add your city into the Location box, and click on submit at bottom of that screen.
By posting where you are, you may connect with others close by who can help you in many ways in caring for Panther.

OK, a couple questions.
1. What insulin are you using? 3cc is alot, you are talking about units? I would guess you are using U100 syringes, and I hope with 1/2 unit markings on the syringe barrels?
2. What meter are you currently using? There are a couple meters that have proven to be unreliable: the FreeStyle meters have strips with 'butterfly technology' which is crap as you don't get any readings over 299 or for you, no readings over 16.6. Also, meters with TRUE in their name are not good. You do NOT have to use a pet type meter as it's no better than human ones for what you need and the strips are horribly expensive when comparing to others.

I believe you can arrange for shipping of Bayer meter and cheaper test strips $25USD for 100 from DCIN. The meters are very good; Bayer is my meter of choice after comparing several.

I got most of my supplies from Shopper's Drug Mart and I used their Optimum card for points... believe me, the points add up and a couple times a year, I had enough for my 5-pack of Levemir insulin to be purchased with just points. There are others in ON who may have some money saving tips for you as well.

3. What food are you feeding Panther and how often are you feeding? If he is eating any dry food, you will need to switch over to low carb wet food, but do not switch until you are testing Panther's BG because the numbers will fall lower and less insulin may be needed. A great amount of cats are diet controlled.... once they are put onto a low carb wet food diet, they no longer need insulin or need much less. You can feed any of the pate varieties of several kinds of wet foods available: fancy feast, friskies, special kitty, sophisticats, and many others. Just stick to no grilled kinds and for sure no gravies.

For switching your shot times, of course it can be done. Just post what date you are needing to be at the 7am/7pm shot times, and a schedule can be worked out for you, but first we need to know the insulin you are using, and to know that you are home testing so you can see how well Panther's numbers are doing.

Please reply with the meter, the insulin, and the food info, and ask all questions you have....
Finally, change your Subject in your first post to read "I am new and in Oshawa, ON" .... that will catch the attention of all the other Ontarians.
 
Hi Panther's Mom

I'm in Oshawa - I have 2 diabetics now, but Harley (GA) was my first.

The Meter - as has been said the human one is fine. you can get a free meter with the purchase of the strips (they are expensive, though) The needles - haven't found anything cheaper then Walmart. I've got a good relationship going with a small pharmacy close to home, and she is wonderful - Not cheap but she does the best she can for me.

What insulin is Panther on?

Food - my guys get friskies - and a tiny bit of dry, I put it out like it's gold :)

What else can I help you with???

Trish & Harley (GA) and Cotton and Stewie
 
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