Hypoglycemic, Now Ketoacidotic < Month

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MixedUpMa

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Please forgive me if I misspell or don't use the accepted terms on your board. I just found it today and am emotionally distressed.

My little man Maddox has been with me for 8 years, outlasting any other relationship I've had for sure. In April 2012 was diagnosed diabetic, and initially put on 2 units of Lantus twice daily. End of November 2012 I noticed a slight drop in weight and some symptom changes to his situation and was hopeful he might be fighting off the need for injected insulin. Brought him into the vet who did fructosamine, which came back "well regulated". Did not pursue a glucose curve because of the expense at the time. Almost a month to the day later, had a couple thousand dollar hypoglycemic episode complete with seizures bring me to the local vet ER. Once stabilized, brought him home and reduced him to 1 unit per instruction. Went in for followup with regular vet and then back again for a curve once he had been on 1 unit for a week. Vet recommended upping to 1.5 units, which I had to get .3 CC syringe for because it's hard to measure and no one would compound. In the meantime, I know I haven't been monitoring his levels like I should in part because it's so difficult to get even a drop of blood out of his ear but really that's no good excuse. My vet never told me about monitoring ketones in his urine.

Today had to take him in again and he is diagnosed with Ketoacidosis. I feel like it's my fault that he's now experienced two of the worst possible situations that a cat with his diagnosis could. I have done exactly what my vet has instructed me, we still aren't out of the woods. Do I need to find a new vet? Today they are saying an overnight stay, possibly two at the ER and that's quite an expense. Everyone I talk to says to euthenize; everything I read online says not to. Some say "get a second opinion" for the treatment and I'm not really sure that would be helpful. I would have thought that a curve and fructosamine would help to resolve the challenge of regulation after all this time but it has not. He will not use a litter box, (hasn't since shortly before the diabetes diagnosis) and we've comprimised on puppy pads. He's been eating Merrick low glycemic index canned food for several weeks, and prior had been on Friskies canned. Any advice is much appreciated, TIA for reading.
 
Good luck, hoping he pulls through again, DKA is hard.

Really the best thing you can do after this is home test. At least 3 times a day with Lantus. We can offer you suggestions for cheap glucometers and cheap strips. For example, Walmart carries the ReliOn Prime at only $9 for 50 strips. This is the key thing you've been missing - Lantus is a good insulin, but your vet's treatment plan is all wrong.

Out of the Merricks Low Glycemic line, the only one that is low carb (below 7%) according to the food charts is Cowboy Cookout. The others are 8-13%. I know glycemic index is different but I would avoid the others until you know if they spike his BG by testing.
 
I have an Accu-check Compact at home, the lancing device is horrible for me and I end up having to stab him manually whenever I want to check something. I'm not so much concerned at the cost of supplies for testing as I am that both episodes have caused irrepairable damage to his little body and that bringing him home might be selfish on my part. I have been to 4 of the 6 vets in my town of 50k. Is there a term for a vet that specializes with diabetes? I guess I was ignorant about the food, I thought because it was canned that it would be okay especially saying low glycemic index. Thank you for your responses. nailbite_smile
 
MixedUpMa said:
My little man Maddox has been with me for 8 years, outlasting any other relationship I've had for sure. In April 2012 was diagnosed diabetic, and initially put on 2 units of Lantus twice daily.

Vet recommended upping to 1.5 units, which I had to get .3 CC syringe for because it's hard to measure and no one would compound.


Lantus should never ever be compounded :shock: :shock: Doing so will totally negatively affect the insulin and how it works.

Also never use Lantus that is not in it's original container, a 10 ml bottle or a SoloStar pen. The insulin may have been tampered with, may not be sterile, may be expired, etc. Even if your vet is selling it to you, don't take the risk of using potentially contaminated and/or expired mystery liquid.

3/10 cc insulin syringes are actually the best ones to use with Lantus and other insulins for cats. Very few cats need more than a few units of insulin at any time. There are 3/10 cc insulin syringes with half unit markings avaiable that will make measure half units, even quarter units, so much easier.

MixedUpMa said:
I have an Accu-check Compact at home, the lancing device is horrible for me and I end up having to stab him manually whenever I want to check something.

Some lancet devices just don't work well at all :roll: You can try freehanding the lancet without the device. Many people find the lancet device a bother to use. Does the Compact meter come with the SoftClix lancet device? That's actually a good device to use. I've never had a problem with it. Have you tried all of the depth settings? Are you warming the cat's ear really well before poking? Here are tips and videos of how to get a blood sample: http://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=287


Is there a term for a vet that specializes with diabetes?

An Internal Medicine vet oftentimes has a specialized interest in diabetes and other endocrine diseases.
 
Re: Hypoglycemic, Now Ketoacidotic < Month.

Visit with him at the vet and see how he is. He will let you know if he's ready to go.
 
Many cats have recovered from hypo and DKA instances. You will have to decide what you and your kitty are up to. Hospitalization is best in the Ketoacidosis cases. It usually requires IV fluids to flush the ketones, often they will use short acting insulin in the IV in addition to their regular insulin, it just requires some close monitoring. Kitties can be sensitive to their insulin after a DKA episode too.

Home testing really should be on your must list going forward though. It will give you the information you need to keep him safe. Testing pre-shot will test you if it is safe to give more insulin and getting some mid-cycle tests will tell you what he is doing with that insulin. All of that leads to knowing what is going on and finding a dose that works. A fructosamine test gives an average number over a previous period of weeks. This number can be helpful in diagnosing a diabetes, but once on insulin it can become fairly useless. A cat that is caught swinging between highs and lows can give out the same numbers as a cat running at middle numbers.

For food you want to target carb content of less than 10%. Look for pate style grain free foods. Some grain free are still full of potato and other starches so you want to know going in what the %s are. There are a few charts around the site. I can't pull in the links right now, so hopefully someone will.

Good luck. Stay with the board, there are a lot of great people here who will help you through getting started. Prayers for your Maddox.
 
I am sorry to hear you have had so many problems. I wish we had been there for you sooner. I dont know what you plan to do, but if you decide to work with the vet, and he pulls through, we can really help you... if you let us!

Many vets are generalists, they just dont know enough about diabetes, whereas some members here know A LOT and have helped many members into remission or regulation.

Here are a few suggestions in ways we can get him under control.
1. Change his food - we are looking for under 10% carbs like Fancy Feast classic pates or Friskies pates or Wellness grain free- see this list http://www.catinfo.org/docs/Food Chart Public 9-22-12.pdf
2. Home monitoring. Dont use the lancet device - many of us dont because it just doesnt give you the control you need. Switch to a relion cos its cheaper. Do your own curves. Its cheaper and more effective.
3. Create a spreadsheet and post results from home testing - we have many experience users here who can check your results daily and work with you to get him regulated

But for now you need to decide how you are going to proceed.
Wendy
 
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