How much butter is too much butter?

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maryjoandsmokie

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Smokie is 16 years old and a diet controlled Diabetic. The only way i can get medicine down her is in a teaspoon of butter. I give her L-lysine, Dasuquin, and NaturVet hairball medicine. I use the Smart Balance light butter. She needs the Chlor-Trimiton right now for sneezing but she won't take it.
I worry every day that i'm giving her too much butter.
Does anyone know if i'm giving too much?
 
Maryjo, I don't know how much butter is too much, I don't use butter to get pills down. But believe me, if I didn't have any other option, I would use butter too! ;-) I hate pilling! I use the allergy formula pill pockets to give chlortrimeton, my cats love pill pockets. Some people also roll the pill pockets in fortiflora if their cats won't eat them.

We used L-lysine for quite a while, I got capsules and emptied them on top of the food. If you are using tablets, can you crush them and put them on the food? I can't help with the other meds, I'm not familiar with them.

Hopefully someone else will stop by with help on the butter...
 
No idea about the butter. Could you use Pill Pockets instead? It may briefly raise bgs a bit but it should be ok for a OTJ cat. I think people buy the dog Pill Pockets because they are larger and one Pill Pocket is enough for a few pills. You don't need much, just enough to cover the outside of the pill to disguise any bitter taste.
 
I thought about using butter to pill my cat (phenobarb) but tried the pill pockets and she loves them. Mine are Greenies feline Salmon flavored pill pockets. They do have corn syrup in them, but I don't even use a half of a pocket each time---just mold as much as necessary around the pill
 
Thanks to the three of you for the suggestions. I have tried the pill pockets with the fish flavor and i also tried the fortifloria and she will sniff and walk way. For a while she would take the Dasuquin in tuna juice but stopped. I have sprinkled meds in the food with no success.
I'm gonna try the pill pockets again including the doggie pill pockets and try to find the allergy pill pockets.
 
I use the allergy pill pockets because they don't affect BG...no corn syrup. I found them in Petsmart.

I figured you probably had tried the other options, but it couldn't hurt to suggest them...it may help lurkers too. ;-) Good luck!
 
I don't know if butter is good or bad. But I used to give my cats butter for hairballs regularly and it didn't seem to cause any problems.
 
Laurie, i'm glad you gave all that information. Good to know.
Debby, It helps me to know that you gave butter with no problems.
And Phoebe. I will be watching for the greasy poo! LOL
thanks to all.
 
a teaspoon of butter does seen too much to me.
normally when i pill a cat, if i'm not using pill pockets or pill pockets coated in fortiflora, i give a few licks of butter first, have an oral syringe filled with water ready to go, pop the pill in, followed by the water, then give a few more licks of butter (some people follow with a little canned food instead). that's it.
 
Hi Mary Jo,

Don't fret about the butter amount when pilling....you are never going to get so much down her that it would pose a problem.

A good way to think about this is in terms of overall calories.

Consider that an average cat eats around 200-250 calories/day.

1 tsp of butter is ~33 calories. If a cat on a 200 calorie diet got 1 tsp of butter/day, that would take her to 233 calories in total.

33/233 = 14% of the total calories...not the end of the world but I would not want to go higher unless the 'empty calories' were supplemented with more nutrients.

When pilling a cat by using butter....there is no way that you are going to even approach 1 tsp so not to worry.

IMPORTANT point about Pill Pockets....it is good to see that most people are using only a PARTIAL PP versus a whole one. This is because the larger the thing is that you want the cat to eat....the higher chance they will be to bite down on it...and then that will be the LAST time the cat eats a PP!!

Use just enough PP dough to wrap around the pill as has already been mentioned on this thread.

To the poster who mentioned using a whole PP with multiple pills....hmmmm...that is great if it worked with your cat but this is not something that I would recommend, in general, because of the reasons stated above.

Also, when breaking up or handling any pill that is going to go into a small PP piece, be careful to not get any pill powder on the outside of the PP. Cats have a great sense of smell....
 
gosh, i could never get multiple pills into one pill pocket! she'd never go for it and it would be too big to pop down her throat! i think we do manage to get 2-3 pills' worth outta each pill pocket, tho. i'm just careful to cover any potentially sharp edges from pills that have to be cut.

thank you so much for the fortiflora trick, dr lisa (rolling pill pockets in fortiflora). harry just gobbles them up so i at least have one easy cat. i do have a question, tho. as the ingredients of fortiflora are pretty yucky, do we need to worry the residue will make us humans sick? i get it on my hands and who knows where else...
 
chriscleo said:
thank you so much for the fortiflora trick, dr lisa (rolling pill pockets in fortiflora).

That is my favorite trick and works on most cats.

chriscleo said:
as the ingredients of fortiflora are pretty yucky, do we need to worry the residue will make us humans sick?

Nah...I would not worry about that. (Of course this is coming from a person who spent many years as an equine practitioner with one arm up a horse's butt. :-D )
 
dian and wheezer said:
oh Dr. Lisa. I am not even going there,

But..but..but...

On a very cold night.....during those 2AM winter colics....it was VERY warm in there!!

I hated taking off my down winter jacket (I get cold if it is under 80 degrees...)....so I was often quick to dive in to keep my only-covered-by-a-thin-plastic-sleeve arm warm. :-D

Now...the time that an old-time professor at UC Davis made me go into a cow BARE ARMED...along with his bare arm....to feel a cow's ovaries....now THAT was not fun.

My arm smelled for a few days after that.

Ok...sorry....too much information.....
 
I don't know how you could use a tsp of butter....I only coat the pill lightly in butter
to help it slide down the throat better and give it better 'flavor'.

Are you using 1tsp butter for each pill or is that the day's accumulation.
 
We tried using liverwurst with Yittle to mixed success. Strong taste, could shape it around the pill (sorta). I've also used butter in the past, soft cat treats, pieces of ham, heads of sardines etc. For all the cats I've owned over the years I've never, ever, had a single one that would eat the pill pockets on their own, and we're talking 15 or so cats here... We even had one civvie I ended up having to candy-coat the pills, literally. I'd melt down jolly ranchers with a bit of water until they were soft, then let them cool slightly and mold bits of the still scalding hot candy around the cut pills. It was some pill that tasted like bile, foamed like mentos in coca cola, and even if I didn't have to cut it into pieces the coating on it never lasted long enough to get her to swallow it. She'd hold the (bleeping) thing in her mouth until it turned into paste and then spit the paste through her clenched teeth at me while growling. Damn I miss that cat, she had style. :twisted: So we candy coated the pills which gave us about 1 to 1.5 minutes to try and make her swallow it.

I wouldn't worry a lot about the butter, if the cat needs the pills the cat needs the pills and you do what you have to.
 
Dr. Lisa, thanks so much for your advise.

Thanks to everyone!

Karen, i use a teaspoon of butter for every pill. :roll: I crush the pill and mix it well with the butter to get her to take it.

Gina, Where can i get the "jolly ranchers" to roll the pills in. Are they ok for a diet controlled Diabetic cat? If they are not ok then do you know something else i could use?
I got a good laugh about your :twisted: cat.
 
Its not really a good option for a diabetic cat, and I'm pretty sure the sugar-free ones wouldn't work even if they were safe which I suspect they aren't.

Having said that, if I remember right it took about 1/4 - 1/8th of a jolly rancher to coat a pill. You could do the math and decide how many calories that was, how much sugar that was, and compare it to say a dose of karo syrup used for hypos and get an idea of how much of a blood sugar spike you're talking about. If I was desperate enough and the cat was stable enough and the pills were important enough I might try it once and then test their sugar and see. But lets be clear - that would only be if nothing else worked and the pill itself was life or death.

The process was pretty simple - and I relate it here primarily for anybody who gets in this position with a non-diabetic cat. I took a small metal tin baking tin or corning ware type container. I'd then line it with the reynolds non-stick aluminum foil (very important step). Crush up 1 or 2 jolly ranchers into smaller pieces but not dust, add 1/2 - 1 teaspoon of water or so. Put in a 250-300 degree oven and keep an eye on it. As soon as it melts you use a spoon to stir it a bit and make sure its a thick caramel consistancy. Place another square of nonstick foil on a heat-proof surface and dump the candy out on it. Let it cool for a moment or so - to test how hot it is you can press a spoon to it and then touch the spoon quickly (or use a digital therometer). Grease your fingers a little and when its cooled down a bit and you can touch it you knead it one or two times and then break off little bits, flatten it out, put the pill fragment inside and press the disk around the pill and seal it tightly. Repeat. Store the pills in a sealed plastic container and don't try to make more then a few days worth at a time because they will get sticky.

The advantage to the method was to a. keep the pill from foaming in the cats mouth and prevent them from tasting it. And b. if the cat held the pill in the mouth the candy would melt a little and get slippery, that made it easier to rub their throat and coax them to swallow it and make it easier to swallow in general. And trust me before I did this with that particular cat I had tried everything I could think of including bacon fat, pill pockets, pill syringes and everything else listed previously by everyone. And not even this method worked 100% of the time, once she realized if she just waited even longer the candy would melt and she could spit it at me again - she'd try and wait me out. We managed to get her to swallow first about 75% of the time which was the best average we had with any method. Twice a day pills, for several months, life or death... until the liver biopsy proved it was hopeless. Then we just gave up and made her comfy.

I would suggest trying salami, smoked salmon, liver pate or liverwurst first. Or possibly bacon fat - can you buy slab bacon? You could cut cubes from just the fat portion and cut a slit in them and stuff the pill inside - voila, bacon flavored pill pockets. Just make sure if you use some sort of liver pate that you make sure it doesn't have onions or garlic in it because they're bad for cats. Good luck!
 
Thank you Gina for taking the time to write the instructions for making the candy and for all the other information. I'm sure it will also help others who are having a difficult time getting medicine down their cat. I believe the slab bacon will work for Smokie. It is real slippery and she likes the grease. I'll try the candy for Fluffy. He is not diabetic and i have to syringe medicine down him; so this will probably help me with his meds.
A lot of good infomation here!
Thanks, maryjo
 
Desperation is the Momma Bean of a good many things, as most of us on this board already know. How to catch cat urine with a ladle, how to calm a cat with clothespins, how to make cat ears bleed using heated rice socks. The list just goes on and on.

Actually - suppose the method would work ok for kids too if they had to take any sort of pill you had to put into pieces and thus ruin the protective coating on (lol).
 
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