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Sandycat

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Hello everyone,

I've been browsing the forum on and off for the last month or so and have really appreciated some of the threads so thought I would sign up. I'm Anne and my 8 year old DSH, Sandy, was diagnosed with diabetes at the end of May. His story is a long and convoluted one so I'll try and give a condensed version here!

I adopted Sandy when he was 2.5 from a rescue. They found him stray and he had demonstrated significant skin allergies so the rescue had put him on steroid tablets (prednisolone), and he has been on those for several years at varying doses (typically 2.5-5mg a day) on vet and specialist dermatologist advice at the time. We identified some food allergies but struggled to keep him on a hydrolysed diet; we additionally identified dust and pollen allergies.

In November last year he got really poorly and was hospitalised for some time, was initially diagnosed with dry FIP but subsequently found to be hepatic cholangitis, which was succesfully treated with antibiotics. During this time his steroids were reduced to 0.25mg a day and his skin disease flared up as a result. The dermatologist then put him on a very high dose of steroids - 12mg a day at one stage - for about two months, and we believe that during this time, he developed diabetes, but the symptoms were not obvious because they are the same, in many cases, as the side effects of high dose steroids - increased hunger, thirst, etc. We also noticed that he was a little less steady on his feet but thought this was just part of his recovery from his illness. We also introduced Apoquel (off label) with the goal of reducing his steroids.

In May his movement worsened very quickly. On one day he lost the ability to jump. The next day he was wobbly on his feet and the third day he was barely walking at all. At this stage I took him back to the vet hospital and he was hospitalised for another 10 days while they diagnosed diabetes, and diabetic polyneuropathy in particular. He was started on ProZinc 2 units twice a day. During hospitalisation he was brought down to 0.25mg prednisolone a day.

We got him home in early June and since then he has improved significantly. We have removed the steroids completely and we are just about managing his allergies on Apoquel, and have also got him eating a hydrolysed diet (Hills z/d dry - not ideal for the diabetes, but necessary for the chronic skin issues). We are monitoring him continuously with a Freestyle Libre devide and his blood sugar has been coming down steadily. We have been at 0.5 units of ProZinc twice daily for just over a week now, so it looks as though he may be going into remission. Yesterday at shooting time (8pm) his blood sugar was only at 8, so I decided to skip the jab; he has had his morning jab and I'm waiting for a callback from the vet to confirm what we do next.

However, his polyneuropathy is continuing. It has improved significantly - he can move around the house, into the litter tray etc, but he is still wobbly and can't jump. I am giving him Zobaline with the hope that it will help him heal, but am aware this can be a slow recovery process and he may never recover his full movement. :(

That's it in a nutshell! I'm going to look at the spreadsheet next - my main concern at the moment is avoiding a hypo as his blood sugar comes down, but I am watching him like a hawk!
 
Hi Anne, waving to you from Surrey!

If the diabetes is steroid induced then Sandy stands a much higher than average chance of going into remission. The Hill's diet - as you say - is not ideal for diabetes (high carb). But, if that's what he needs to eat then that's what he needs to eat. Sometimes it's a bit of a balancing act when a kitty has more than one health issue. ...And Sandy's BG levels are looking really good! Keeping everything crossed that remission may be on the cards for him, despite the higher carb diet. Or maybe he will be a 'low dose' cat.

Many cats have the potential to recover completely from neuropathy. And the blood glucose levels that Sandy now has are really going to help with that. It can take time for nerve damage to heal, but those blood glucose levels plus the Zobaline should hopefully result in good recovery. :bighug:

Re hypo risk, yes, any cat on insulin is theoretically at risk of hypo. But the amount of BG data you have may help you to spot any likely low blood glucose situations.
It's good to put together a little 'hypo kit' for emergencies, something you can grab quickly IF you really need to (and you may never need to)... At the very least it's good to have a simple fast acting sugar source such as honey. Simple sugars raise the blood glucose fastest. Higher carb food and treats are also good things to have in the hypo kit.
Here's the link to FDMB's hypo information:
https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/how-to-treat-hypos-they-can-kill-print-this-out.15887/

Eliz
 
Hi Eliz and thank you for the welcome! I did manage to speak to a vet this eve and they have advised to drop to once daily insulin at 0.5 units, as Sandy's blood sugar seems to be controlled over a longer period now, and we will monitor this via the Libre sensor to see how he goes. This evening he's been hovering around 7-8 mmol. When I filled out the spreadsheet it was really interesting to see in one place just how things have changed in a relatively short space of time so I am definitely hoping for remission now that the steroids are out of the picture.

Thank you for the hypo link, that's really helpful! I have pure honey in the cupboard and plenty of high carb food and treats.

I am really hoping that his neuropathy continues to improve - he is much better than he was but it's still sad to see when he wants to try and jump and just can't :(
 
Hi Anne, your post brings back memories :)
My cat Shen also has steroid induced diabetes. He is allergic to something which causes his eyes to be itchy and he’d scratch them to the point that they’d started to look bruised and bloody. When none of the milder solutions worked, we turned to pred. He was only on it for 38 days at varying doses (1.25-5 mg) and the aim was to taper the dose to an optimum level. His eyes looked amazing within a week but then I started noting symptoms (weight loss) 2 weeks in, but the vet asked to continue monitoring it and I only noticed the excessive thirst and urination another 2 weeks in. I figured that he had diabetes before the vet did :rolleyes: and then we stopped the pred. Shen was pre-diabetic I guess and the pred tipped him over the edge.

I’m so glad I found the FDMB when I did. We wouldn’t be where we are today had I listened to the vets (3 of them giving well-meaning but unhelpful advice :D). It’s great that your vet is on board with you. I’m also hoping for a remission but I’m content with him being regulated on a micro dose too, so long as he doesn’t have any clinical symptoms. I’ve read that rushing into remission by dropping doses too quickly or dropping the insulin altogether sometimes makes it easier to come out of remission so I’m taking it slow.

From what I’ve read the neuropathy takes some time to get better, but it does get better!

Just wanted to pop in to wish you all the best for your FD journey. Sandy is already looking good :)
 
Hi Nimi, thank you! It's been such a long hard journey and while I'm so sorry you've had to go through it as well, it is really helpful to hear from someone in the same boat, and I'm so glad your kitty Shen is regulated now. I really hope we can keep Sandy's allergies in check with the Apoquel but I'm terrified that things will get worse and we have pretty much nothing to fall back on now without the steroids. We've been through the wringer emotionally and metaphorically speaking and I'm up to my ears in debt thanks to the FIP misdiagnosis (those antivirals cost a bomb! Almost £700 per 10 pills!) as it chewed through my insurance last year. But I truly hope we are on the up again now.
 
I'm terrified that things will get worse and we have pretty much nothing to fall back on now without the steroids.
Even if you do go back to the steroids, there are cats who’ve had to continue or start steroids while on insulin. Sometimes there’s no better option but the dosing can be adjusted to control the BG accordingly. Don’t worry just yet :)


We've been through the wringer emotionally and metaphorically speaking and I'm up to my ears in debt thanks to the FIP misdiagnosis (those antivirals cost a bomb! Almost £700 per 10 pills!) as it chewed through my insurance last year. But
Wow..how does that happen..sounds ridiculous. I can’t wrap my head around that cost.
I’m sorry you went through that :bighug:
 
Hi and welcome to the forum.
I think you may have made a typo on the am dose this morning. I am sure you would have given 0.5 unit and not 5 units.

Also I would suggest that instead of giving 0.5 units one cycle and then none the next…you try dropping the dose to 0.25 unit and giving it both cycles moving forward and see if you can give it every cycle instead of every other cycle.
 
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